ranked = too much frustration, please help

[Cippalippus]

41 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Ranked is a reflection of your personal skill and totally not a lottery which team's potatoes die the quickest.

 "YoU'rE pRoBabLy jUsT pLaYiNg tO sAvE yOuR sTaR"

 

Should carry harder tbh

[Prophecy82]

Unpopular opinion: Ranked is a better Random. 

1. 7v7 gives you more impact then 12v12. 

2. Battles are shorter but BXP stays pretty much the same (or is even better). 

3. This makes it perfect for grinding T8s and T9s. 

4. You get dubloons and steel for grinding ships, too. 

 

[arttuperkunas]

1 minute ago, Prophecy82 said:

Unpopular opinion: Ranked is a better Random. 

1. 7v7 gives you more impact then 12v12. 

2. Battles are shorter but BXP stays pretty much the same (or is even better). 

3. This makes it perfect for grinding T8s and T9s. 

4. You get dubloons and steel for grinding ships, too. 

 

I agree. Also:

 

5. You know what tiers you play against. If you take a T9 to Bronze, you are guaranteed top tier; if you take T8, you know what you're getting into. 

6. At Bronze you are quite unlikely to face CVs, as CVs would have to be bottom tier (and they hate that).

[Prophecy82]

3 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

 

5. You know what tiers you play against. If you take a T9 to Bronze, you are guaranteed top tier; if you take T8, you know what you're getting into. 

 

5.b. On the other hand, playing lowtier gives a BXP boost while not being too bad to play due to 7v7. 

[ForlornSailor]

11 hours ago, Senaika said:

I mean, ExecuteOrder, you have 37.5% win rate in ranked in your last 8 games. What happened ?

 

Do you understand, that the difference between 37,5, 50 and 62,5% over the course of 8 games is ONE resp. TWO games?

 

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Try to make some math. If you have 5000+ games with 45% win rate in random, how much games do you need to bring it to 50% 

 

Aah wait, you attack and stat shame a person above because of 8 games of which he lost ONE too many but now you defend sucking for over 5000 battles? Which adds up to over 800 hours of gaming time? Anyway, you can see recent winrate, I hope you know that, right? And someone, who hasnt figured it out during 5000 games and is still pulling this WR, is a bad player. Its just another excuse trying to hide behind your high number of games played. End of story.

[_HomTanks_]

8 minutes ago, Prophecy82 said:

Unpopular opinion: Ranked is a better Random. 

1. 7v7 gives you more impact then 12v12. 

2. Battles are shorter but BXP stays pretty much the same (or is even better). 

3. This makes it perfect for grinding T8s and T9s. 

4. You get dubloons and steel for grinding ships, too. 

 

Definitely except there is nothing to grind in gold league since it is only tier 10 and the rewards in gold really not worth the time and effort. Best thing to do is stay in bronze or silver.

[Prophecy82]

7 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

Best thing to do is stay in bronze or silver.

 

Given the lackluster extra rewards in gold while at the same time the grind explodes... staying away from it was always the sensible thing to do. 

[_HomTanks_]

7 minutes ago, Prophecy82 said:

 

Given the lackluster extra rewards in gold while at the same time the grind explodes... staying away from it was always the sensible thing to do. 

I didn't have that sense unfortunately as i wanted to get the token for Somers camo in armory and extra gold. A hard lesson for me, won't play gold again.

[arttuperkunas]

26 minutes ago, Prophecy82 said:

5.b. On the other hand, playing lowtier gives a BXP boost while not being too bad to play due to 7v7. 

I know, I play lightning and cossack exckusively :p. T8 is not bad if there are no t10s.

[Bratoev]

Had some wonderful games today even in defeat. 7v7 makes it much easier to communicate with the team.

[Alteisen]

18 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

I didn't have that sense unfortunately as i wanted to get the token for Somers camo in armory and extra gold. A hard lesson for me, won't play gold again.

Almost the same situation here. I saw the FDR camo on the dev blog and needed 1 token so I got r1 every week in the last season.

 

This season it's just a pita to play due to the stupid amount of stars you need to get for almost nothing. Only reason i grinded to gold league is because the overall steel/doubloons reward is much better and 29 victories can be done easily in 2 weeks.

 

Later on I realised that to use the FDR camo, I had to play FDR. No way that is happening with the amount of DDs (in ranked anyway).

[Estaca_de_Bares]

After a couple of "sabbatical months" gameplay-wise, I returned and went directly into rankeds, made it through Silver during the weekend and qualified for Gold. @Execute0rder66 can attest since we ended up on the same team in one of my qualification matches (a lost one, so maybe the "one too many" mentioned in the discussion regarding his performance).

 

Fighting random battles afterwards with the same ship (Minotaur) or one with similar playstyle (Shimakaze in randoms, Somers in rankeds), what @Prophecy82 points out...

4 hours ago, Prophecy82 said:

Unpopular opinion: Ranked is a better Random. 

1. 7v7 gives you more impact then 12v12. 

2. Battles are shorter but BXP stays pretty much the same (or is even better). 

3. This makes it perfect for grinding T8s and T9s. 

4. You get dubloons and steel for grinding ships, too.

...is my very same feeling, particularly about the very first matches I had in this mode. Add to it that people try more (even if sometimes just a bit) to coordinate and play as a team in ranked battles (I used all my compliments every single day and not a single report, unlike in randoms) and the experience is a lot more satisfying.

 

Salute.

[PanzerCracker]

the frustration level is so high because World of Warships Wargaming team fails to put strict rules and borders in ranked. thats why the good and the bad dont know where they really stand and what they are up against and how far they maybe proceed. WoWs Team fails to show the bad once their limit and the good once their standing.

 

WoWs mentallity of "we are all winners ... and all get a partisipation trophy" is just for the snowflakes and thise goody good people and karens ... and who wants to be one of those groups?

 

who really likes a competition but hasnt have the time for Clanbattles and other sorts of Groupactivity has a real problem in this game.

 

Wargaming has a really nice Ranked System for their most popular Game World of Tanks, https://worldoftanks.eu/en/content/guide/ranked_battles_guide/

they would know how to implement a better system. in my eyes WoWs Ranked could handle this system easy especially when it comes to this

where every Tanks in our case Ship would have to play at their Role given too ...

or this

or this

 

 

i just hope that they would finally give us at least a 2 man Division for Ranked ... this would at least give back some Team Experience for those who like a challange!

[JohnMac79]

Just dont play ranked. There is no reason to, the steel is not enough of a reward for a game mode that is appalling. Im struggling to even play the game at all lately, i am having way more fun playing other games, and my blood pressure has never been better!

[Camperdown]

4 hours ago, Prophecy82 said:

 

Given the lackluster extra rewards in gold while at the same time the grind explodes... staying away from it was always the sensible thing to do. 

Heh, yes, learning that the hard way now.

I stayed in silver for sprints 2-4. Am now in gold for sprint 5, bad decision 

[_HomTanks_]

24 minutes ago, Estaca_de_Bares said:

After a couple of "sabbatical months" gameplay-wise, I returned and went directly into rankeds, made it through Silver during the weekend and qualified for Gold. @Execute0rder66 can attest since we ended up on the same team in one of my qualification matches (a lost one, so maybe the "one too many" mentioned in the discussion regarding his performance).

Hi, we were in the same team twice. I remember you playing dd and being a very good team player, saying where you will go and what you will do at the beginning. Cheers.

[PanzerCracker]

4 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

Hi, we were in the same team twice. I remember you playing dd and being a very good team player, saying where you will go and what you will do at the beginning. Cheers.

talking strategy in ranked ... burn the heretic!

[Bratoev]

13 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

Hi, we were in the same team twice. I remember you playing dd and being a very good team player, saying where you will go and what you will do at the beginning. Cheers.

The way ranked is meant to be played regardless of the shortcomings of the team.

[lameoll]

16 hours ago, Senaika said:

om, that would mean Im a bad player?

u having 0 PR and 0 damage in your dd games wich in 2 games you actualy managed to teamkill ppl ? might have something to do with it.

 

Also 3 montana games with 0 damage and PR ?  alsace/ wooster/ des moines All low PR and damage.  Sugests to me that you are either frustrated so you suicide in or you just dont know how to stay alive longer then 5 seconds.

you play cv a lot  so Ofc u do better in that becuase you dont risk your ship.

 

The one thing i Cant explain tho is that for some reason u clearly have a hard time staying alive with dd's and cruisers  But u do well in the minotaur 

[Senaika]

Il y a 9 heures, Execute0rder66 a dit :

I got Colombo and keep spamming it as i'm trying different builds and tactics to learn more about the ship. That's what happened with my last 8 games.

 

Il y a 8 heures, 22cm a dit :

So I have 25%  hit ratio compared to yours 38% and 30 k damage less, but I have more impact on a game. Thats why I have 60+% WR on Minotaur

 

Okaaaay. Now I get it. Following your reasoning:

 

- if I lose a game, its independent of my teammates and opponents level, it's because Im doing something wrong.

- If you lose a game, it's not because you did something wrong, it's because you were experimenting things....in ranked.

- If I win a game, it's pure luck.

- If you win a game, it's independent of your teammates and opponents level, it's because you are God Players.

 

Make sense.

[_HomTanks_]

31 minutes ago, Senaika said:

 

 

Okaaaay. Now I get it. Following your reasoning:

 

- if I lose a game, its independent of my teammates and opponents level, it's because Im doing something wrong.

- If you lose a game, it's not because you did something wrong, it's because you were experimenting things....in ranked.

- If I win a game, it's pure luck.

- If you win a game, it's independent of your teammates and opponents level, it's because you are God Players.

 

Make sense.

This is what you understood from all these pages...

If you ever decide to improve your game play, it will be a small step for humanity but a giant leap for you.

[lameoll]

9 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

If you ever decide to improve your game play,

i think he gave up on learning a long time ago 

[OldPappy]

On 4/20/2021 at 9:59 AM, _Capt_Biggles_ said:

Ranked = Random battles with less players. A mode where every tactic used in clan battles gets thrown out of the window. A mode where a 45% WR, 500 battles 'expert' will tell you what you have to do... 

 

I just play the odd game every few days... Slow way to get a dribble of steel is all I see it as. Quite frankly, randoms with a division is far more fun. 

 

Ranked needs to be split. Players need to be told 'Your in this group, now win it and get promoted.' There would be salt and tears galore but at least you'd be surrounded by players as competent as yourself. 

 

As I can't be bothered I am in bronze. I have no plans to even try to get higher. I accept that each match will be an exercise in patients... 🤣 🤣 

The problem is that with mods only your random wr is shown as default, or am I wrong?

I have 50% wr in random at the moment. Yeah, I’m a really slow learner!😂

So I think my strategic suggestions get neglected and I get sometimes the usual ”stfu” ”noob be quiet” etc. 
But my wr in ranked season 2 is 58% and my wr in ranked in z46 alone is about 68%. But I dont think that is shown???

I know what wins and what looses 60-70% of the game. I have carried numerous times. But I am stuck in silver right now at lvl 9. I play a match and win and then loose because noone listens!!!

And the strain of each match is hard and so I end up playing randoms instead, and then I tardy too long and end up at the lvl 10 next sprint. 

[lameoll]

3 minutes ago, OldPappy said:

So I think my strategic suggestions get neglected and I get sometimes the usual ”stfu” ”noob be quiet” etc. 
But my wr in ranked season 2 is 58% and my wr in ranked in z46 alone is about 68%. But I dont think that is shown???

I know what wins and what looses 60-70% of the game. I have carried numerous times. But I am stuck in silver right now at lvl 9. I play a match and win and then loose because noone listens!!!

And the strain of each match is hard and so I end up playing randoms instead, and then I tardy too long and end up at the lvl 10 next sprint. 

 

they can look up individual ship Winrates on the profile and the site But if they use MM monitor i only think they will see your current ship and your overal WR

 

 

But sadly  ranked is just like that  noone wants to listen so winning is just getting the luck of the draw on teams. 

Sure u can carry the ocasional game if your good But frustration kicks in and the games u Could have carried u start making critical mistakes yourself.

and i bet most of the ppl calling u a noob are the low WR players themselves they are numerous in ranked.

if i see a unicum 60% wr player calling out that he wants a lemmingtrain to C and on the other hand a 45 % player calling out to create crossfires and go for both caps i would go for the 45% player annyday in that battle.

Sadly that situation is almost non excistant. 

 

 

 

 

 

[OldPappy]

9 minutes ago, lameoll said:

 

they can look up individual ship Winrates on the profile and the site But if they use MM monitor i only think they will see your current ship and your overal WR

 

 

But sadly  ranked is just like that  noone wants to listen so winning is just getting the luck of the draw on teams. 

Sure u can carry the ocasional game if your good But frustration kicks in and the games u Could have carried u start making critical mistakes yourself.

and i bet most of the ppl calling u a noob are the low WR players themselves they are numerous in ranked.

if i see a unicum 60% wr player calling out that he wants a lemmingtrain to C and on the other hand a 45 % player calling out to create crossfires and go for both caps i would go for the 45% player annyday in that battle.

Sadly that situation is almost non excistant. 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes I know. It’s a severe pain!

I try telling people that the team that takes and controls the far cap wins about 70-80% of the time. But still they sail with all bbs camping at your closest ”free” cap! Then you know its most likely a loss when you see them camp. 
only once have I seen 80% of the team actually push but that might have been because i for once played thunderer and led it. 
but i agree that i rather follow sound advice from a low wr. 😊