Clan Battles / Brawls /Tournements......... WG Please Read.

[Graeme17O1]

 

Hi all,

 

With the amount of Clan Battles, Brawls & tournaments such as KOTS etc a lot of Fleets are burning themselves out and subsequently breaking up, arguing amongst themselves, friendships ending & even going to the extreme of quitting the game. We ourselves lost a great member and friend in Warwick who has quit the game totally.

 

WG you HAVE to slow things down on a Fleet side basis. By all means keep up the great working making our game enjoyable but as far as the Fleet vs Fleet side of life, it has to slow down and be more fun as currently its too much as stated above.

 

I don't know if this will fall on deaf ears (WG) or even if you all in other Fleets share or disagree with our opinion. Whats important about this game is the friendships made because of it. Not who's best in a pixel made ship (in our opinion).

 

Kind Regards,

 

Graeme & the rest of 1701.

 

www.1701gaming.com

[ForlornSailor]

How about - just dont play that much? You dont need to participate in everything you know. Neither do you have to play each clanbattle evening for the full duration. Just saying, the choice is yours.

[GarrusBrutus]

And you have to participate in all of these events.....why exactly? Nobody forces you to do so.

[Cippalippus]

This is like going in a restaurant, ordering the whole menu and then complaining that the food is too much.

[AverageSusmarineHater]

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[ForlornSailor]

2 minutes ago, GimmeF6 said:

It's the same thing with the new concept of ranked battles. If you want to get tokens, you do not only have to play for 3 seasons to grind through this mess of matchmaking to get a skin - as it was before already frustrating and time consuming - no, you now have to play on like a daily basis cause you need 10 tokens. This is just too much. I abandoned ranked completely because of this and thus miss a lot of steel.

 

But honestly: so what? you *might* thus get a steel ship somewhat later but what if you would get it faster? Then you would want to play that, right? so you would need to play even more? Else you would have just been grinding a mode you dont like just to get the steel and just to get a ship with that, that stays in port. Is that what you are saying? Just ignore it.

 

4 minutes ago, GimmeF6 said:

It truly is a bit too much right now. We at Gurkha (GURKA/GURK4) are going from having 4 days with 3-4 hours of clan battles a week straight into a training run with only 2 evenings without practising for KOTS up until the event starts, in order to figure out a working tactic and get used to this 9vs9, which is very different compared to the clan battle season. We don't have a single week to relax.

 

And same here. If its too much for you, then you are forcing yourself on the wrong level. Let the hardcore players put in 6 to 7 days a week if they enjoy it. If it would be too much and everyone would see it this way, those competitions would die down. Which they dont, atleast at this point. So check your own pace, check how much are you willing to put in the game and stick to that. Its obviously too much for you right now so take a step back. If the clan demands you to, well, it might not be for you then?

 

[Cippalippus]

16 minutes ago, GimmeF6 said:

It truly is a bit too much right now. We at Gurkha (GURKA/GURK4) are going from having 4 days with 3-4 hours of clan battles a week straight into a training run with only 2 evenings without practising for KOTS up until the event starts, in order to figure out a working tactic and get used to this 9vs9, which is very different compared to the clan battle season. We don't have a single week to relax.

It's the same thing with the new concept of ranked battles. If you want to get tokens, you do not only have to play for 3 seasons to grind through this mess of matchmaking to get a skin - as it was before already frustrating and time consuming - no, you now have to play on like a daily basis cause you need 10 tokens. This is just too much. I abandoned ranked completely because of this and thus miss a lot of steel.

 

100% agree with you Graeme

Dude no offense but you have the same chance of winning Kots that I have to become a victoria secret's supermodel

[AverageSusmarineHater]

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[159Hunter]

As others said: if it's too much, slow down or take a break. Our clan decided not to play this CB season. Maybe 10 nights in total were played. And we had great fun when we did play.

So what if we got less steel? I already have plenty port filling ships I don't play. I will not be pushed into giving up all my free time for another ship. Just aint worth it to me.

[AverageSusmarineHater]

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[Steel_duck_1]

17 minutes ago, Cippalippus said:

Dude no offense but you have the same chance of winning Kots that I have to become a victoria secret's supermodel

If GURKA wins KOTS you will need to take some time off work to manage your inbox 

[GarrusBrutus]

4 minutes ago, GimmeF6 said:

New ships are released all the time. They have great performance and seem fun to play. So I'm willing to get them. The difference I'm trying to point out is that before you had to play one season of ranked, had a pause, then came clan battles, then a brawl and so on - always with some time in between. Now if I want to get all the new ships, I'll have to go from one event straight into the other.

And sure I'd play them. I do play the game a lot.

 

And that isn't really an option for me neither. The thing is: I joined a more competitive clan because I want to take part in events and have greater successes with my teams. As a competitive clan, we are destined to take part in clan battles and play events like KOTS to compare our strength to others.

Like I said, I do play a lot. But for me, there is a difference between competitive play and Random Battles. In one, I have to stay focused to avoid making mistakes that might cost my team the win - whilst in the other, I can play more relaxed and for fun, as they are, as the name "Random Battles" already says, a bit more random. I do enjoy playing clan battles and competitive events. The successes pay out, but it takes a lot of time and concentration. So at some point, I'd just like to have a bit of time to play the game in a more relaxed way.

 

Been there, done that. It is not worth it. You're just stuck in a neverending cycle. Just pick the things you enjoy most and don't bother about all other events/grinds. Saves you a lot of headache.

 

 

Btw: 99% of the players are casuals who enjoy a wide range of modes/events to choose from. Im one of them.

[ForlornSailor]

3 minutes ago, GimmeF6 said:

New ships are released all the time. They have great performance and seem fun to play. So I'm willing to get them. The difference I'm trying to point out is that before you had to play one season of ranked, had a pause, then came clan battles, then a brawl and so on - always with some time in between. Now if I want to get all the new ships, I'll have to go from one event straight into the other.

And sure I'd play them. I do play the game a lot.

Sure, thats true about the scedule of ranked and clan battles, no argument there, I agree with you. But you are kinda falling into the FOMO-trap, which WG is setting up for you. You dont need those new ships. All those awesome, shiny ships, I grinded in the last years - I hardly played more then 10 games in most of them. And eventhough they might look awesome, OP, special or whatnot on the first glance - its just your mind playing tricks on you. So why would you grind hours and hours just so you can play that ship 5 times? Do you need Somers to perform in randoms, clan battles or Kots? Nah, just take Gearing. I even prefer Gearing over Somers. You think you need Austin? Take Minotaur. Shikishima? Take Yamato. Marceau? Grozovoi is even better in randoms. It really doesnt matter. Basically what @159Hunter already said.

 

8 minutes ago, GimmeF6 said:

And that isn't really an option for me neither. The thing is: I joined a more competitive clan because I want to take part in events and have greater successes with my teams. As a competitive clan, we are destined to take part in clan battles and play events like KOTS to compare our strength to others.

Like I said, I do play a lot. But for me, there is a difference between competitive play and Random Battles. In one, I have to stay focused to avoid making mistakes that might cost my team the win - whilst in the other, I can play more relaxed and for fun, as they are, as the name "Random Battles" already says, a bit more random. I do enjoy playing clan battles and competitive events. The successes pay out, but it takes a lot of time and concentration. So at some point, I'd just like to have a bit of time to play the game in a more relaxed way.

 

As did I. But I cant put in 5 to 6 evenings per week and neither do I play the full duration of clanwars anymore, because I noticed, my concentration drops hard after 2 to 3 hours when constantly playing the top clans especially. So I jump out after 2 to 3 hours max and let someone else take over. In SHAFT, thats not a problem at all. I still compete on the top level, I still get to play TWA, NOCAP and all the other top clans but im not seeing myself in the first row. I would need to put in a lot more efford aswell to claim such a place. Bottomline: it comes down to your own decision. When you yourself notice, its too much for you, which is obviously the case, then take a step back. You wont change the mind of WG either way, not with discussing in the forums, thats for sure. Trust me, I and the others here speak from experiance.

[DFens_666]

2 minutes ago, GimmeF6 said:

Now if I want to get all the new ships, I'll have to go from one event straight into the other.

 

I disagree with that.

In old ranked, we had like 4 seasons per year, which each lasted a month. And you could get 5500 Steel IF you managed to get to R1. Which usually meant like somewhere between 100-200 games even for good players.

Now with the new format we might get 4-5 seasons per year (depending if they will keep the 2week sprint / 12 week season format or not). In each sprint, you can get atleast 600 steel in bronze for 12 wins. 800 steel if you get to R1, which shouldnt take that much longer if you are a good player. So 800 steel * 6 = 4800 steel in 12 weeks with very little effort. Definetely not comparable to having to reach R1 in old ranked within 1 month. Shouldnt be more than ~100 games in bronze in 12 weeks to get that done, while before you had to play more than that in only 4 weeks.

Also not reaching R1 in the old ranked would mean, missing out on atleast 1k steel, so best case was 22k steel / year, and now it should be like 19k with minimal effort. If you want to play more, play silver or gold and get more rewards but for much more effort, which you dont like so im just gonna stick with bronze.

 

Rewards are almost identical, only now its much easier to get them. Brawls dont offer steel anyway, so no need to play those for steel ships.

[Graeme17O1]

I think most of us from Fleets that have been together from the start of WOWS just need WG to slow down.  Burning us out isnt the way to go. I miss Divisions with friends daily, 3 or 4 games with the guys for simple fun rather than researching the maps for the next set of CBs etc. When it becomes more of a chore or a job than a hobby its time to turn off. A lot of old players (the ones that have been around since the start) are stating to play less and less which sad for the people like myself that have made good friends with folk in-game.

[Excavatus]

1 hour ago, Steel_duck_1 said:

If GURKA wins KOTS you will need to take some time off work to manage your inbox 

no! He is our FC..

We get the dibs on that!! 

 

Jokes aside.. 

@GarrusBrutus pointed out really well, 

you are stuck in the trap of a free to game.. 

They are designing the event exactly as you and others defined.. 

One after another after another.. chained tightly.. 

And their reward system is like breadcrumbs... you need to collect thousands of breadcrumbs If you want to feel full. 

But problem lies in that the distance between the crumbs getting farther and farther with each update.. 

 

Just break the cycle.. play the game for fun.. not for rewards.. screw the new steel / coal ship.. 

you've mentioned friends.. play this game to be together and have entertainment with your friends.. 

you can do that in randoms, operations, CB on weekends.. just chatting.. 

don't let the game tear you apart! 

 

[_HomTanks_]

10 minutes ago, Graeme17O1 said:

 just need WG to slow down.  Burning us out isnt the way to go.

But why do you feel like you need to participate everything? Or why not being more selective? Why want all?

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

You people need to get it through your heads that Wargaming does not care.

They do not care what you post on these forums, they do not care what you post on social media. They do not care what CCs say and they do not care what streamers, youtubers and supertesters say.

They do not care how ridiculous the transparent lies are that they make their PR hacks constantly hurl at us in a giant Tsunami of dishonesty.

 

The only thing Wargaming cares about are their profits.

 

And the only thing you can do to influence the direction they are taking the game is to hit their bottom line.

Boycotting the game works. That is how we got rid of the Deadeye skill.

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/147638-dead-eye-will-be-changed-from-scratch/?do=findComment&comment=3813034

 

But if you want to get rid of other issues that aren't as big a pain in the butt, like the ridiculous graft they are running on Captain Skill points, or CVs as a playable class, the whole grooming of casual players and the constant dumbing-down of the game for their sake, or everything else they hurt and choke the game with over the years, then sadly that will take organising because those boycotts will not organise themselves as the Deadeye boycott did.

 

[AkerJack]

Well, as it has been said, nobody forces nobody to play all the events, if somebody, or a clan, wants to focus on some kind of rewards instead on other or you want to play some mode or different play-style event you can do it putting aside the other events. But, as I see it, it is true that events and seasons are becoming a little too long, and sometimes it seems like we are playing random battles (or co-ops) with less people. I feel they are becoming too routinary.

[inkedsoulz]

1 hour ago, Graeme17O1 said:

I think most of us from Fleets that have been together from the start of WOWS just need WG to slow down.  Burning us out isnt the way to go. I miss Divisions with friends daily, 3 or 4 games with the guys for simple fun rather than researching the maps for the next set of CBs etc. When it becomes more of a chore or a job than a hobby its time to turn off. A lot of old players (the ones that have been around since the start) are stating to play less and less which sad for the people like myself that have made good friends with folk in-game.

 

You could play less, its just a game at the end of the day. You wont die just because it takes a little bit longer to earn the resources to obtain a steel/coal ship.

[Saltface]

2 hours ago, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor said:

Boycotting the game works. That is how we got rid of the Deadeye skill.

who and when boycotted the game for Deadeye?

 

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Vor 1 Stunde, Saltface sagte:

who and when boycotted the game for Deadeye?

 

The link was right under the part of my posting you quoted.

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/147638-dead-eye-will-be-changed-from-scratch/?do=findComment&comment=3813034

I came to that conclusion after examining some datamined player data.

[159Hunter]

29 minutes ago, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor said:

The link was right under the part of my posting you quoted.

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/147638-dead-eye-will-be-changed-from-scratch/?do=findComment&comment=3813034

I came to that conclusion after examining some datamined player data.

ANd then here I explained your numbers and why this was nothing but a return to normal.

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/147638-dead-eye-will-be-changed-from-scratch/?do=findComment&comment=3813109

[RepSrb]

8 hours ago, GimmeF6 said:

New OP ships are released all the time. They have great performance and seem fun to pulverize everyone else in weaker ships. So I'm willing to GRIND them. The difference I'm trying to point out is that before you had to play one season of ranked, had a pause, then came clan battles, then a brawl and so on - always with some time in between. Now if I want to BE COMPETITIVE and get all the new OP ships, I'll have to GRIND from one event straight into the other.

And sure I'd play them to pad my stats. I do play the game a lot.

 

And that isn't really an option for me neither. The thing is: I joined a more competitive clan because I want to take part in events and have greater successes with my teams. As a competitive clan, we are destined to take part in clan battles and play events like KOTS to compare our strength to others.

Like I said, I do play a lot. But for me, there is a difference between competitive play and Random Battles. In one, I have to stay focused to avoid making mistakes that might cost my team the win - whilst in the other, I can play more relaxed and for fun, as they are, as the name "Random Battles" already says, a bit more random. I do enjoy playing clan battles and competitive events. The successes pay out, but it takes a lot of time and concentration. So at some point, I'd just like to have a bit of time to play the game in a more relaxed way.

i fixed some little things in your post. dont mind.

as a completely f2p player from get go ,i do enjoy trashing some dude in random only to have kots badge pop up after his sinking. you are like trained hamsters wg should up the tempo ,moremoremore...

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Vor 1 Stunde, 159Hunter sagte:

ANd then here I explained your numbers and why this was nothing but a return to normal.

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/147638-dead-eye-will-be-changed-from-scratch/?do=findComment&comment=3813109

And I didn't care then or now because a) those are not my numbers and b) for other ships it was the exact same story, only without them returning because they didn't benefit from deadeye.