Hamburg Dockyard: Construction of ZF-6

[nightcrow82]

13 minutes ago, NobleSauvage said:

Interesting; I've not played WoT myself so I'm not familiar with how they do things. One thing that's worth remembering is that, although they're both WG titles and WoWs has lifted most of its core mechanics from WoT, they're actually run by different developer teams. Presumably a lot of the differences are due to different management styles.

Tanks are ultra toxic these days, today i would not recommend anybody to play, like i don't, instead am calling people here not cause i need company so much but the game is far less toxic, less toxic people, but game is good, if you trust their "anticheat" policy, which they have, but only on paper, and RNG is the biggest problem at the moment in Wot, its simply raping you on some days. Other big problem with wot is win/lose afterbattle. Here, as i have seen so far, if you do good in battle, lots of dmg, spot etc,  it doesn't matter if you win or lose, you get tons of EXP and silver, in wot, if you lose you go to minus with silver, almost on every tier, exp i even doesnt count, and pretty much only you get (if you were good) is stats, and they are the main toxicity starter in game. No matter what you do, how you play, if you had a bad game, almost setain is that somebody will send you a msg after battle telling about your stats, that yuore a noob, its your fault he lost hte game etc, and that is frustrating. Everybody is a general after battle, especialy when somebody who is stats sick, and is worse than you haaha, and he gives himself a right to tell you that you suck hahaha

[WascallyWabbit]

On 4/15/2021 at 11:19 AM, YabbaCoe said:

So the price of 5000 doubloons is the lowest amount of doubloons you need to spend in order to get phases for ZF-6 dockyard.

As was mentioned before, it is the same amount for the starter pack, as for Hizen dockyard, so the ship of the same tier.

Rewards are far less than the Hizen. However you try to justify it the price is a lot more. I think your simply looking for a justification for the price hike "Hizen gave more because it was Xmas". I smell something in the air and it's not snow. It's just the usual creep in the cost of anything you sell. You keep pushing the price point till you find the plateau where people stop spending. Add into the pot the fact you are now going to nerf premium ships whenever and however you want i'd say there has never been more reason to quit spending in this game. WG simply can't be trusted.

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

So to recap, it isn't all that complicated after all:

1. If you want any steel, you must complete the build with doubloons at some stage. Buying starter packs alone does not do the trick.
2. How much steel you get specifically is determined by the number of phases you complete with doubloons.
3. You do not have to buy any starter pack to obtain the steel. In fact, buying any starter packs will decrease the maximum amount of steel you can theoretically obtain.
4. Buying both starter packs is the quicker and more expensive way to unlock the "Complete with doubloons" button but you can also do that by grinding three phases, through completing missions. And that is in fact the only way to unlock the maximum amount of steel options.
5. Buying only the small starter pack alone is the cheapest option that lets you complete the grind for the ship but will, by itself, not unlock any steel at all.
6. The minimum of doubloons you need to spend in order to gain any steel at all is 6600, to complete the last three phases after grinding through all the others. This will unlock the option to gain up to 600 steel by grinding some more. But in order to limit your spending to this minimum price for the least amount of steel, you must not buy any starter pack.
7. If you buy any starter pack on top of that minimum, you do not get any extra steel. You just speed up the grind by the corresponding number of phases.
8. The maximum amount of steel options you can obtain is 3800, for completing 19 phases with 41800 doubloons. To unlock the option to unlock these options, you must grind through three phases. But you must not buy any starter pack because that would further reduce the number of phases you can complete with doubloons.
9. Buying the small starter pack alone will not unlock the "Complete with doubloons" button. So you need to grind three phases in the game, leaving a maximum of only 16 phases you can complete with doubloons. This way, you pay 40200 doubloons for 3200 steel options.

Simple, really.

Just like buying apples down the greengrocer's. 

[GoneFishingAgain]

On 4/14/2021 at 4:25 PM, Gwynbleidd11 said:

 

You seem completely clueless. But what can we expect from player with 300 battles? 

I normally just complete dockyard phases without looking at specific tasks, but this time...

 

as BB - tank 20.000.000 damge = 10.000 credits!!!!

Are you kiddin' me?

 

10.000 F...ING credits?

Out of 9 tasks in 1st phase, 7 give 10.000 credits!!!

 

Must be famine in Russia that causes this level of being cheap.

 

[Ucuusenkanyamato2199]

Hello, I’ve never done a dockyard before as I’m normally too busy, but I was thinking of doing this one. I’m an average player and I don’t play every day but 2-3 days a week, will this be easy or possible to do. I don’t mind buying phases but are the directives difficult because my plan was buy the 8 phases then grind as much as possible if I don’t finish buy the rest. But if it’s likely I’ll have to buy a lot of the phases instead of a couple on top of the 8 then I may not do it.

[Aragathor]

1 hour ago, Ucuusenkanyamato2199 said:

Hello, I’ve never done a dockyard before as I’m normally too busy, but I was thinking of doing this one. I’m an average player and I don’t play every day but 2-3 days a week, will this be easy or possible to do. I don’t mind buying phases but are the directives difficult because my plan was buy the 8 phases then grind as much as possible if I don’t finish buy the rest. But if it’s likely I’ll have to buy a lot of the phases instead of a couple on top of the 8 then I may not do it.

Depends on the selection of ships you have. If you have a small selection, then I'm sorry but the way will be hard.

Several missions that drop phase progressions are really grindy, requiring some investment of time to get through them.

[Ucuusenkanyamato2199]

9 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Depends on the selection of ships you have. If you have a small selection, then I'm sorry but the way will be hard.

Several missions that drop phase progressions are really grindy, requiring some investment of time to get through them.

I’ve got some t5s (witch is the minimum tier) but as for my higher tiers I’ve got Ryūjō, Ashitaka, Asashio, Atago, Kaga, Georgia, Ochakov, Spee, Tirpitz, Warspite, Ark Royal, Hood, Nelson, Bel 43, D’Aosta, Roma and the t6 and 7 Italian BBs. I’m good with Kaga and my most played ships are the Hood and Ashitaka although Kaga may have over taken Ashitaka lol.

[Benser33]

On 4/17/2021 at 9:01 AM, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor said:

So to recap, it isn't all that complicated after all:

1. If you want any steel, you must complete the build with doubloons at some stage. Buying starter packs alone does not do the trick.
2. How much steel you get specifically is determined by the number of phases you complete with doubloons.
3. You do not have to buy any starter pack to obtain the steel. In fact, buying any starter packs will decrease the maximum amount of steel you can theoretically obtain.
4. Buying both starter packs is the quicker and more expensive way to unlock the "Complete with doubloons" button but you can also do that by grinding three phases, through completing missions. And that is in fact the only way to unlock the maximum amount of steel options.
5. Buying only the small starter pack alone is the cheapest option that lets you complete the grind for the ship but will, by itself, not unlock any steel at all.
6. The minimum of doubloons you need to spend in order to gain any steel at all is 6600, to complete the last three phases after grinding through all the others. This will unlock the option to gain up to 600 steel by grinding some more. But in order to limit your spending to this minimum price for the least amount of steel, you must not buy any starter pack.
7. If you buy any starter pack on top of that minimum, you do not get any extra steel. You just speed up the grind by the corresponding number of phases.
8. The maximum amount of steel options you can obtain is 3800, for completing 19 phases with 41800 doubloons. To unlock the option to unlock these options, you must grind through three phases. But you must not buy any starter pack because that would further reduce the number of phases you can complete with doubloons.
9. Buying the small starter pack alone will not unlock the "Complete with doubloons" button. So you need to grind three phases in the game, leaving a maximum of only 16 phases you can complete with doubloons. This way, you pay 40200 doubloons for 3200 steel options.

Simple, really.

Just like buying apples down the greengrocer's. 

Steel and coal are both awarded as compensation for any earned construction phases in excess of what is needed to complete the dockyard. Once the dockyard is complete, earning any additional phase awards 200 steel and 3000 coal.

 

The dockyard has 22 phases. You can earn 19 phases for free. You must buy at least 3, at a cost of 2200 dubloons each. You can buy all 22. You can buy a 3 phase starter pack for 5000 and/or an 8 phase starter pack for 8950, but these cannot be bought once you have earned 3 phases for free.

 

1. This is correct. Starter packs work the same way as manually buying phases with dubloons, they just apply a discount. You can only earn excess phases if you buy more phases than you needed.
2. This is correct, because the steel and coal are compensation for earning excess phases after having bought more phases than you needed.
3. This is not correct. There is no way to earn steel via compensation without buying phases with dubloons, nor do the starter packs reduce the total you can earn.
4. This is not correct. The "complete with dubloons" button is unlocked upon reaching phase 3, regardless of whether you earn them for free or buy the 3/8 phase starter packs (or both).
5. This is correct, 3 phases minimum must be bought to complete the dockyard and will not result in any excess phases so no compensation is provided.
6. This is not correct, the minimum amount of dubloons needed is 7200. First you must buy the minimum of 3 phases needed to complete the dockyard, which is 5000 dubloons at least (or 6600 if you do not buy the starter pack) and then you must buy another phase for 2200, which you will be compensated for later if you complete the dockyard and earn all 19 free phases. This totals to 1 excess phase, and thus rewards 200 steel and 3000 coal.
7. This is not correct. You cannot buy starter packs "ontop" of anything. You cannot buy individual phases until you either buy both starter packs or you earn 3 phases for free (which disables the ability to buy starter packs).
8. This is only partially correct. 3800 steel is indeed the maximum steel you can earn, but you can do so for 38,150 dubloons. You buy 3 phases for 5,000 dubloons with the 3 part "Smooth Sailing" starter, then you buy 8 more for 8,950 dubloons with the 8 part "Full Ahead" starter and then you buy the remainining 11 phases needed individually at a cost of 2,200 each. 5000 + 8950 + 22000 = 38150. Buying all 22 phases enables you to earn the maximum 19 excess phases by completing the dockyard missions, which will reward 200 steel and 3000 coal each.
9. You have misunderstood the individual phases. You must either earn 3 free phases (which disables the ability to buy starter packs) or buy both starter packs before they are disabled in order to complete the rest of the dockyard with dubloons. This makes it impossible to complete the entire dockyard with dubloons while missing the discounts provided by the starter packs.

 

 

To clarify, the only way to reduce the amount of steel you could potentially earn from the dockyard is to earn free phases before you can buy them. To earn the maximum steel you must buy all 22 phases. Any phases that you earn for free cannot be bought, and therefore will not be compensated.

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Vor 29 Minuten, Astolfo_Is_My_Waifu sagte:

Steel and coal are both awarded as compensation for any earned construction phases in excess of what is needed to complete the dockyard. Once the dockyard is complete, earning any additional phase awards 200 steel and 3000 coal.

 

The dockyard has 22 phases. You can earn 19 phases for free. You must buy at least 3, at a cost of 2200 dubloons each. You can buy all 22. You can buy a 3 phase starter pack for 5000 and/or an 8 phase starter pack for 8950, but these cannot be bought once you have earned 3 phases for free.

 

1. This is correct. Starter packs work the same way as manually buying phases with dubloons, they just apply a discount. You can only earn excess phases if you buy more phases than you needed.
2. This is correct, because the steel and coal are compensation for earning excess phases after having bought more phases than you needed.
3. This is not correct. There is no way to earn steel via compensation without buying phases with dubloons, nor do the starter packs reduce the total you can earn.ll 22 phases. Any phases that you earn for free cannot be bought, and therefore will not be compensated.

It is at least half correct in that you do not need to buy starter packs to gain steel.

And the information that the phases completed with the starter packs had not been published. You have to guess/hope that that is the case and find out after buying the pig in the poke.

Zitat

This is not correct. The "complete with dubloons" button is unlocked upon reaching phase 3, regardless of whether you earn them for free or buy the 3/8 phase starter packs (or both).

The News bulletin says explicitly " Once you've purchased both Starter Packs {...] you'll be able to purchase further phases individually for 2,200 Doubloons each." BOTH. Not just the small one, even though it gives you three phases. And that is the way it happened in this video here , even though Flambass boughtb the big paxk first, but not even that alone unlocked the Ceomplete with doubloons button.

https://youtu.be/HaNL4IIw5QE
 

Zitat

This is not correct, the minimum amount of dubloons needed is 7200. First you must buy the minimum of 3 phases needed to complete the dockyard, which is 5000 dubloons at least (or 6600 if you do not buy the starter pack) and then you must buy another phase for 2200, which you will be compensated for later if you complete the dockyard and earn all 19 free phases. This totals to 1 excess phase, and thus rewards 200 steel and 3000 coal.

 

 

Not what it says in the news bulletin where it explicitly says " Once you've purchased both Starter Packs or completed three shipbuilding phases by finishing combat missions, you'll be able to purchase further phases individually for 2,200 Doubloons each. "

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/general-news/hamburg-dockyard-zf-6/

 

Zitat

 

This is not correct. You cannot buy starter packs "ontop" of anything. You cannot buy individual phases until you either buy both starter packs or you earn 3 phases for free (which disables the ability to buy starter packs).

 

True but you do not learn that fact from reading any WG publication I have seen, only by trying it out. Or possibly by asking player support. Same as the next point.

 

Zitat

You have misunderstood the individual phases. You must either earn 3 free phases (which disables the ability to buy starter packs) or buy both starter packs before they are disabled in order to complete the rest of the dockyard with dubloons. This makes it impossible to complete the entire dockyard with dubloons while missing the discounts provided by the starter packs.

Again, that is not what it says in the news bulletin, see previous quote.

 

I stand by my assessment:

Easy as buying apples down at the greengrocer's.

[Benser33]

49 minutes ago, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor said:

The News bulletin says explicitly " Once you've purchased both Starter Packs {...] you'll be able to purchase further phases individually for 2,200 Doubloons each." BOTH. Not just the small one, even though it gives you three phases. And that is the way it happened in this video here , even though Flambass boughtb the big paxk first, but not even that alone unlocked the Ceomplete with doubloons button.

https://youtu.be/HaNL4IIw5QE

This was a mistake on my part. It does clearly say in the article both. The wording on the ingame button is not clear. I should have said "regardless of whether you earn them for free or buy both starter packs."
 

49 minutes ago, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor said:

Not what it says in the news bulletin where it explicitly says " Once you've purchased both Starter Packs or completed three shipbuilding phases by finishing combat missions, you'll be able to purchase further phases individually for 2,200 Doubloons each. "

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/general-news/hamburg-dockyard-zf-6/

If you buy 3 phases for 6600 after earning 19 free phases then you dont have any excess phases and earn 0 steel. You can also not buy any more phases. This is 6600 dubloons for zero steel.
You can buy the 3 phase starter for 5000, earn phase 1 to 3 for free, buy 1 phase for 2200 and then earn the last 4 to 18 phases to complete the dockyard, and then earn phase 19 for 200 steel. 7200 dubloons for 200 steel.

You can ignore the starters, earn 3 phases and then buy the 3 phases for 6600 that you'll need to complete the dockyard followed by 1 phase for steel for 2200, and then earn the remaining 15 phases to complete the dockyard, then earn 1 excess phase and earn 200 steel. This is 8800 dubs for 200 steel.

 

49 minutes ago, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor said:

Again, that is not what it says in the news bulletin, see previous quote.

I included this quote from the article that you quoted yourself.

 

It says what I described, you can buy individual phases only once you have either earned three phases for free or you buy both starter packs. Once you do either of those things you can buy phases individually.

 

Buying one starter pack doesn't meet this requirement, so if you buy the 3 phase starter pack with the intention of buying the remaining phases with dubloons you should also buy the other starter pack instead of grinding three phases to unlock the ability to buy individual phases.

[Trench4nt]

Am 17.4.2021 um 10:01, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor sagte:

So to recap, it isn't all that complicated after all:

1. If you want any steel, you must complete the build with doubloons at some stage. Buying starter packs alone does not do the trick.
2. How much steel you get specifically is determined by the number of phases you complete with doubloons.
3. You do not have to buy any starter pack to obtain the steel. In fact, buying any starter packs will decrease the maximum amount of steel you can theoretically obtain.
4. Buying both starter packs is the quicker and more expensive way to unlock the "Complete with doubloons" button but you can also do that by grinding three phases, through completing missions. And that is in fact the only way to unlock the maximum amount of steel options.
5. Buying only the small starter pack alone is the cheapest option that lets you complete the grind for the ship but will, by itself, not unlock any steel at all.
6. The minimum of doubloons you need to spend in order to gain any steel at all is 6600, to complete the last three phases after grinding through all the others. This will unlock the option to gain up to 600 steel by grinding some more. But in order to limit your spending to this minimum price for the least amount of steel, you must not buy any starter pack.
7. If you buy any starter pack on top of that minimum, you do not get any extra steel. You just speed up the grind by the corresponding number of phases.
8. The maximum amount of steel options you can obtain is 3800, for completing 19 phases with 41800 doubloons. To unlock the option to unlock these options, you must grind through three phases. But you must not buy any starter pack because that would further reduce the number of phases you can complete with doubloons.
9. Buying the small starter pack alone will not unlock the "Complete with doubloons" button. So you need to grind three phases in the game, leaving a maximum of only 16 phases you can complete with doubloons. This way, you pay 40200 doubloons for 3200 steel options.

Simple, really.

Just like buying apples down the greengrocer's. 

 

Could you pls just stop writing this kind of bullsh*t all the time? Half of that i not possible and you just want to hate against WG that you cannot get your steel. Dockyard events are not difficult to understand (if you really want to) and the mechanic has always been the same. So just stop it and play the game. Then you can earn steel for free.

[WascallyWabbit]

2 hours ago, Trench4nt said:

 

Could you pls just stop writing this kind of bullsh*t all the time? Half of that i not possible and you just want to hate against WG that you cannot get your steel. Dockyard events are not difficult to understand (if you really want to) and the mechanic has always been the same. So just stop it and play the game. Then you can earn steel for free.

41800 doubs...LMAO....Ghengis Khan reportedly said "you can kill a goat only once but can milk it many times". WG's milking make Ghengis look like a beginner LMAO. Don't give these con artist anything...remember the xmas rip off. they don't deserve our loyalty.

[johncl]

Firstly ...You will not be getting money from again ..Hence I have and interest in your dockyard 

 

The last 4 patches have been completely uninspiring

 

US second line  (AKA Fat Burgs) 

The Captain rework  (removed secondary BBs Removed super Cruisers Add worthless skills by the dozen ETC ETC )

Italian BBs   ( Why play ships the don't hit what i aim at )

German DD 2nd line  ( Just look at the stats for me why would i play these )

 

Next up lack of investment in game modes ..(big hunt Is a big joke ) monsters and space ships ...Im not 12 i did not come here for this $%1T

 

Coop battles have never been improved (ever) just mindless turkey shoots 

 

 

Now the player base .....Well F&^% my dead dog ..90% are pond life 

 

Then there is RNG ...You clever money maker .....100% lacks constancy and far to many WTF moments ...But i understand why its there , 

 

So just a few reasons why im losing interest in this game  and as for paying money .....Not a chance 

 

 

[YabbaCoe]

V 17. 4. 2021 v 10:01 FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor řekl/a:

So to recap, it isn't all that complicated after all:

1. If you want any steel, you must complete the build with doubloons at some stage. Buying starter packs alone does not do the trick.
2. How much steel you get specifically is determined by the number of phases you complete with doubloons.
3. You do not have to buy any starter pack to obtain the steel. In fact, buying any starter packs will decrease the maximum amount of steel you can theoretically obtain.
4. Buying both starter packs is the quicker and more expensive way to unlock the "Complete with doubloons" button but you can also do that by grinding three phases, through completing missions. And that is in fact the only way to unlock the maximum amount of steel options.
5. Buying only the small starter pack alone is the cheapest option that lets you complete the grind for the ship but will, by itself, not unlock any steel at all.
6. The minimum of doubloons you need to spend in order to gain any steel at all is 6600, to complete the last three phases after grinding through all the others. This will unlock the option to gain up to 600 steel by grinding some more. But in order to limit your spending to this minimum price for the least amount of steel, you must not buy any starter pack.
7. If you buy any starter pack on top of that minimum, you do not get any extra steel. You just speed up the grind by the corresponding number of phases.
8. The maximum amount of steel options you can obtain is 3800, for completing 19 phases with 41800 doubloons. To unlock the option to unlock these options, you must grind through three phases. But you must not buy any starter pack because that would further reduce the number of phases you can complete with doubloons.
9. Buying the small starter pack alone will not unlock the "Complete with doubloons" button. So you need to grind three phases in the game, leaving a maximum of only 16 phases you can complete with doubloons. This way, you pay 40200 doubloons for 3200 steel options.

Simple, really.

Just like buying apples down the greengrocer's. 

Not entirelly correct. You have to buy both starter packs to unlock "complete for doubloons" button. Honestly, those are are thinking about getting steel or to simply spend doubloons to finish the dockyard, both starter packs are the cheapest option.

In fact starter packs won't decrease the maximum amout of steel you can obtain, on contrary. Starter packs will help you to get phases for less amount of doubloons than purchasing them one by one.

So still you can get 3800 Steel, by getting phases from combat missions after the building of ZF-6 is finished by doubloons. You don't have to grind any phases to unlock the option to complete with doubloons - buying starter pack will unlock that. The minimum amount of doubloons you can spend to finish the dockyard entirely by doubloons is 38150.

 

[Proximat3]

I just realized that I won't be able to finish ZF6 by buying 5k doubloons pack as it states it's only available at the early stage of ship building. Lol
6600 doubloons after tons of grind through the missions. It costs rougly 25$ for 3 stages, while all stages is like 140$.
Lol I would buy 2.5 AAA games for that ship ^^
Silly.

[Benser33]

13 minutes ago, Proximat3 said:

I just realized that I won't be able to finish ZF6 by buying 5k doubloons pack as it states it's only available at the early stage of ship building. Lol
6600 doubloons after tons of grind through the missions. It costs rougly 25$ for 3 stages, while all stages is like 140$.
Lol I would buy 2.5 AAA games for that ship ^^
Silly.

6600 dubloons buys you a tier 9 premium DD for the price of a tier 6.

[YabbaCoe]

Před 11 hodinami Proximat3 řekl/a:

I just realized that I won't be able to finish ZF6 by buying 5k doubloons pack as it states it's only available at the early stage of ship building. Lol
6600 doubloons after tons of grind through the missions. It costs rougly 25$ for 3 stages, while all stages is like 140$.
Lol I would buy 2.5 AAA games for that ship ^^
Silly.

You bought started pack for 5k doubloons, but now you realized, that you won't be able to get remaining phases from Directives?

Or you are surprised now, that you need to buy atleast 3 phases by doubloons in order to get the ship?

[HuggyDeathBunny]

....I'm not seeing the Dockyward in game at all, having just finished the final missions this is a tad irritating.

[YabbaCoe]

15 hours ago, HuggyDeathBunny said:

....I'm not seeing the Dockyward in game at all, having just finished the final missions this is a tad irritating.

You can't see the button in port? Can you make a screenshot.

Btw if you want to collect stuff from Dockyard, or finish building, in case you can't reach it in game, try access this page:

https://dockyard.worldofwarships.eu/

Just be sure, you are logged in to portal before trying to open this page.

[HuggyDeathBunny]

@YabbaCoe The button to access it appeared and disappeared between matches, days and even at one stage a full week. I got the thing built though finally so all good, thanks.

I must presume it had something to do with the new events log bar/button replacing the Dockyards location, as the two were never displayed simultaneously as a logo button, but once i had the DOCKYARD appear in text like COMBAT MISSION etc underneath, then another time it was the logo image and....ya.

I am on Steam Client and I use ModStation map and damage indicator mods.

[TheWarJaC]

12 hours ago, HuggyDeathBunny said:

@YabbaCoe The button to access it appeared and disappeared between matches, days and even at one stage a full week. I got the thing built though finally so all good, thanks.

I must presume it had something to do with the new events log bar/button replacing the Dockyards location, as the two were never displayed simultaneously as a logo button, but once i had the DOCKYARD appear in text like COMBAT MISSION etc underneath, then another time it was the logo image and....ya.

I am on Steam Client and I use ModStation map and damage indicator mods.

Hi HuggyDeathBunny,

Have you tried to repair the client and uninstall the mods?

 

Anyway, I am glad you managed to finish the Dockyard at the end. 😊