Hamburg Dockyard: Construction of ZF-6

[TonyStarkshoudnthavedied]

I'm wondering what was the thinking behind this really poor reward sum. Who would spend even the 5000 on it, knowing what we got for previous dockyard ships. There there was an incentive in the rewards, decent amount of steel, doublons (which was a kind of kickback), more ships, and for completion of paid phases RP. Here there is no initiative at all. Yeah, 5000 doublons for T9 destroyer seems very good, but if it is such a ship you would not spend even 1 single doublon, this is not a good enough incentive. And the rest? For 9000 doublons you can get 1600 steel (2 sprints in ranked) and 24000 coal (2 weeks of farming for an average player). For the additional 11 phases you need to spend 24200 dublons, and you get another 2-3 ranked sprint worth of steel and 3 weeks of coal. even worth. It is a huge disappointment, I will pass.

[Maris_Piper]

Well I've been watching ZF-6 Gameplay earlier from a well known CC and his verdict was far from complimentary as was another CC's opinions in Chat, I think I'll give it a Hard Pass and see what the tech tree brings 

[Aragathor]

23 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Indeed starter pack prize is the same. ZF-6 can be cheaper comparing situation, when you decide not to take any starter pack and later willing to finish the building for doubloons. 

Also in Hizen dockyard, rewards were higher as it was during Christmas/New Year celebration, where actually all rewards were higher.

But indeed, you are right. Finishing ZF-6 dockyard is not much cheaper than finishing Hizen dockyard.

So which one is it? Is it cheaper or not? Because your post doesn't make any sense.

 

Both smallest boosters for Hizen and ZF-6 cost 5000 doubloons. The per phase doubloon cost is 2200 for ZF-6 and you need 3, so you have to spend 6600 doubloons to get the 3 that cannot be unlocked by playing.

So in no way is it cheaper to buy per phase instead of the booster. And ZF-6 does not come with the handy premium ship drop at phase 10 like Hizen (gave 4000 dubs for Yahagi).

[Zanov]

And 5 gift containers and 10k coal value is 20€?

 

I don't think so.

 

Anyway, it is a matter of choice, this is a product, the cost is our time and/or our money, and we decide what and how much like to spend.

 

Best regards.

[44mortarman]

@YabbaCoe

 

If we pay 8.950 Doubloons and complete the first 8 phases of the dockyard event are we going to get 8 x 200 = 1.600 Steel

 

Thanks.

[_Time2Die_]

16 minutes ago, 44mortarman said:

@YabbaCoe

 

If we pay 8.950 Doubloons and complete the first 8 phases of the dockyard event are we going to get 8 x 200 = 1.600 Steel

 

Thanks.

You wish.. If you buy starter pack of 8 phases, to get the steel you must complete whole dockyard (which is 14 more phases aside of those 8 purchased) and since you can complete 19 from missions, you will get rewards for max 5 phases, so 5 x 200 steel = 1000. And you need to farm a LOT!

[GoneFishingAgain]

Good thing that you announced your planned THUNDERER / STALIN nerf.

 

No reason to buy ANYTHING else in near or far future.

[WeeFilly]

4 hours ago, Gwynbleidd11 said:

 

You seem completely clueless. But what can we expect from player with 300 battles? 

 

That's a bold comment coming from someone with only 1800 battles.

[WascallyWabbit]

7 hours ago, MALUS_DACUS_1600 said:

Hello The Eurl Guy,

 

I am an average player who want to progress faster in the game and ready to use my card to achieve that. When I read your material regarding nerfing Thunderer and Stalingrad I change my mind.

So I'm asking you today the following question:

Why should I invest real money to buy doubloons and pay all phases(by the way price/phase increase since Hizen, I don't know why, maybe covid 19) to gain coal and steel in order to buy this wonderfull ships if you are nerfing them?

I would like to buy them both. Is not the players fault that you made them OP so you can win a lot of money.

 

A quick answer will be appreciate it

I whaled this game till xmas on my main, but disasters like the PR, rigged Xmas crates along with broken mechanics sometimes for years like CV balance, and now the fact they hold the right to balance premiums ships when every they feel like it mean i'll never spend again on this or any wg title. They are not a trustworthy company and i believe they will make premium ships very strong so people buy them and then simply nerf them later so that new ships are stronger and so push sales in a never ending OP/nerf cycle. As for German DD's and dockyard they have again increased the dockyard prices and rewards look weaker. Im not touching the ship with a barge pole, if i make some levels just playing then thanks for the freebies but the more they inflate the prices the less inclined i'll ever be to start buying again...There is literally no value in WG's digital content anymore which as we now know they will nerf as and when they feel like it.

 

It's personal choice in the end (it's your money ) but i'd never recommend spending in this game at the outrageous current price point to anyone.

[WascallyWabbit]

5 hours ago, nagymacs_2020 said:

I'm wondering what was the thinking behind this really poor reward sum. Who would spend even the 5000 on it, knowing what we got for previous dockyard ships. There there was an incentive in the rewards, decent amount of steel, doublons (which was a kind of kickback), more ships, and for completion of paid phases RP. Here there is no initiative at all. Yeah, 5000 doublons for T9 destroyer seems very good, but if it is such a ship you would not spend even 1 single doublon, this is not a good enough incentive. And the rest? For 9000 doublons you can get 1600 steel (2 sprints in ranked) and 24000 coal (2 weeks of farming for an average player). For the additional 11 phases you need to spend 24200 dublons, and you get another 2-3 ranked sprint worth of steel and 3 weeks of coal. even worth. It is a huge disappointment, I will pass.

They are simply looking for that price plateau. While the player base keep throwing money at these reskinned tech line ships and events like dock yard or early access then they will just keep raising the price. They have no moral scruples as a business and will ruthlessly milk every penny they can. Its a business after all and the model works...They have no interest in player opinions or CC which is why they banned pre sales reviews by CC's. Because if they put out a disaster of a ship they will still milk the players before it becomes common knowledge the ships a dog. I have no issue with what people spend their hard earned cash on, i would however say wait till tests and reviews are out so you know if your buying garbage or not. The German ship line looks anything but promising, come on get real...even if you do catch a light cruiser with their insane dpm your gonna die or be so smashed up you would never survive a second confrontation.

 

HARD PASS for me

[MALUS_DACUS_1600]

13 hours ago, herrjott said:

Why is a French DD, that was captured unfinished (and never completed RL), built in HAMBURG Dockyard?

A very good question, it seems nobody care....

[misterferrari_1]

15 hours ago, Aragathor said:

Here's the rewards for the ZF-6's 22 phases:

 

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Minimal doubloon cost - 5000

- 200,000 Elite Commander XP
- 3,000,000 Credits
- 12,000 Coal
- 4 days of Premium Account
- 15,000 Free XP
- 15x Hunter camouflages
- 15x "Black, White, Red" camouflages
- 10x special signals of each type
- 10x Gift containers

- ZF-6, extra camo, flag, 10p captain

 

Anchorage had 20 phases and gave:

 

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Minimal doubloon cost - 3000

- 100,000 Free XP

- 17,500 Coal

- 4 days of Warships Premium Account

- 10x signals of each of the following types: Hydra, Basilisk, Scylla, Leviathan, Dragon, Red Dragon, Ouroboros, and Wyvern

- 7x Gift containers

- 15x Stars'n'Stripes camouflages

- Anchorage, camo, flag, 10p captain

 

The Odin event had 20 phases and gave:

 

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Minimal doubloon cost - 3500

- VIII Odin

- VI Admiral Graf Spee in the War Paint camouflage with a 10-skill-point Commander

- 17,500 Coal

- 4 days of Warships Premium Account

- 10x each of the following signals: Hydra, Basilisk, Scylla, Leviathan, Dragon, Red Dragon, and Ouroboros

- 10,000 Free XP

- 15x Hunter camouflages

- 5x Gift containers

 

Hizen had 26 phases and gave:

 

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Minimal doubloon cost - 5000  

- IX Hizen in the War Paint camouflage, slot, 10p captain and flag

- V Yahagi with a Port slot, the Winter permanent camouflage, and a Commander with 6 skill points
- II Tachibana with a Port slot, the Winter permanent camouflage, and a Commander with 6 skill points

- 1x Santa's Mega Gift container
- 2x Santa's Big Gift containers
- 1x Santa's Gift container
- 1x New Year permanent camouflage for Tier IX ships
- 12,000 Coal

- 2000 Steel
- 80x special signals
- 10,000 Free XP
- 2 days of Warships Premium Account
- 25x Winter Strands camouflages

 

Pay To Ree had 36 phases and offered:

 

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Minimal cost - your sanity and self respect

- X Puerto Rico, camo, 10p captain etc.

- VII Gorizia

- 15,000 Free XP

- 25,000 Coal

- 2000 Steel

- 200x economy flags

- 80x special signals

- 15x special camos

- 2x New Year permanent camouflage for Tier VIII ships

- 4 days of Warships Premium Account

- 8x Gift containers

- 1x Santa's Mega Gift container
- 1x Santa's Big Gift containers
- 1x Santa's Gift container

 

Just so everyone knows what other events cost in comparison.

I was really feeling it was to little coal and free xp, now I'm more than certain. And yeah, no ship.

 

True that there is also the "German Destroyers: Early Access" but that gives no coal, no free xp and it is not exactly the same to receive a tech tree ship and a premium one.

[Trench4nt]

Vor 17 Stunden, MALUS_DACUS_1600 sagte:

Why should I invest real money to buy doubloons and pay all phases(by the way price/phase increase since Hizen, I don't know why, maybe covid 19) to gain coal and steel in order to buy this wonderfull ships if you are nerfing them?

I would like to buy them both. Is not the players fault that you made them OP so you can win a lot of money.

 

A quick answer will be appreciate it

 

Just go for the usual way and do not invest money to get them and to be someone special. This behaviour also makes real life easer. Trust me. ;)

[Trench4nt]

Vor 1 Stunde, MALUS_DACUS_1600 sagte:

A very good question, it seems nobody care....

Yes.

[KillStealBoss]

15 hours ago, nagymacs_2020 said:

For 9000 doublons you can get 1600 steel (2 sprints in ranked) and 24000 coal (2 weeks of farming for an average player). 

1000 steel and 15k coal. Cause you have to take account the 3 last phases that can't be done by directives. Ofc if you take the 3 phases of 5k dubs and then another 9k - then yes , but you should spend 14k dubs. Nah for me. I'll just take the 9k dubs one. 

[YabbaCoe]

Před 15 hodinami herrjott řekl/a:

Why is a French DD, that was captured unfinished (and never completed RL), built in HAMBURG Dockyard?

Because in World of Warships some unfinished ships IRL can be finally finished. And as it was captured by Germany in 1940, they could have used all blueprints to finish a badge of those, ale in Hamburg.

 

Před 15 hodinami Aragathor řekl/a:

So which one is it? Is it cheaper or not? Because your post doesn't make any sense.

 

Both smallest boosters for Hizen and ZF-6 cost 5000 doubloons. The per phase doubloon cost is 2200 for ZF-6 and you need 3, so you have to spend 6600 doubloons to get the 3 that cannot be unlocked by playing.

So in no way is it cheaper to buy per phase instead of the booster. And ZF-6 does not come with the handy premium ship drop at phase 10 like Hizen (gave 4000 dubs for Yahagi).

So starter packs are the same. Considering finishing building a ship without starter pack is ZF-6 cheaper to same consideration for Hizen.

Also as compared before, the total number of doubloons, considering simply prize of phase * number of phases, is very comparable to Hizen, very slightly lower.

 

So the cheapest option how to get the ship (smaller starter pack and rest in Combat missions) is the same for ZF-6 as for Hizen.

 

Před 14 hodinami 44mortarman řekl/a:

@YabbaCoe

 

If we pay 8.950 Doubloons and complete the first 8 phases of the dockyard event are we going to get 8 x 200 = 1.600 Steel

 

Thanks.

You will get steel and coal after each phase you will get from Combat missions after finishing the entire dockyard. As it is written in this particular article: If you complete the construction of IX ZF-6 by spending Doubloons, make sure to keep completing Dockyard combat missions—each phase will bring you 3,000 Coal and 200 Steel.

[MilanVl]

5000 dubloons you increased give me more money as far as I'm concerned you don't interest me you became predatory.

[herrjott]

Vor 2 Stunden, YabbaCoe sagte:

Because in World of Warships some unfinished ships IRL can be finally finished. And as it was captured by Germany in 1940, they could have used all blueprints to finish a badge of those, ale in Hamburg.

But you gave it the name of a historical ship laid down in Bordeaux (L'Opiniâtre    Forges et Chantiers de la Gironde, Bordeaux    1 August 1939    Never launched    Never completed    Intended for completion by the Germans as ZF6, demolished, 1944) and not an unused name of a "what if" ship. Could at least have put it to Dunkirk, but I guess Hamburg dockyard was already in game...

[YabbaCoe]

Před 1 hodinou MilanVl řekl/a:

5000 dubloons you increased give me more money as far as I'm concerned you don't interest me you became predatory.

Can you please explain, what do you have in mind? Probably I am missing some caffeine today, but I don't understand, what do you mean.

 

Před 2 minutami herrjott řekl/a:

But you gave it the name of a historical ship laid down in Bordeaux (L'Opiniâtre    Forges et Chantiers de la Gironde, Bordeaux    1 August 1939    Never launched    Never completed    Intended for completion by the Germans as ZF6, demolished, 1944) and not an unused name of a "what if" ship. Could at least have put it to Dunkirk, but I guess Hamburg dockyard was already in game...

Good point. But as we have beginning of German Arc, naming this ship ZF-6 as Germans intended and using again Hambug dockyard also makes sense. You know, why would we create a new dockyard, when ships were built in the same dockyard IRL anyway?

[MilanVl]

You understand perfectly well your company every time you insert a new boat you increase the price is not enough grind. Next ship put 10000 dubloon

[YabbaCoe]

Před 4 minutami MilanVl řekl/a:

You understand perfectly well your company every time you insert a new boat you increase the price is not enough grind. Next ship put 10000 dubloon

So the price of 5000 doubloons is the lowest amount of doubloons you need to spend in order to get phases for ZF-6 dockyard.

As was mentioned before, it is the same amount for the starter pack, as for Hizen dockyard, so the ship of the same tier.

[MilanVl]

It's all a matter of point of view as far as I'm concerned, let someone give money for it I don't want. It every month Only ships and some futuristic scenarios are spinning. Insert  new maps, historical scenarios change something, this becomes monotonous.

I know you're not going to change anything so I'm done writing a greeting

[PanNickt]

41 minut temu, YabbaCoe napisał:

So the price of 5000 doubloons is the lowest amount of doubloons you need to spend in order to get phases for ZF-6 dockyard.

As was mentioned before, it is the same amount for the starter pack, as for Hizen dockyard, so the ship of the same tier.

You intentionally ignore that in Hinzen's case, spending doubloons gave us 2000 steel (bundle of 200 steel and 3000 coal is now worth 2200 doubloons, right?) and a Big Santa gift.

[SV_Kompresor]

17 hours ago, GoneFishingAgain said:

Good thing that you announced your planned THUNDERER / STALIN nerf.

 

No reason to buy ANYTHING else in near or far future.

If you pay for free stuff, that's your problem.

[YabbaCoe]

Před 1 hodinou PanNickt řekl/a:

You intentionally ignore that in Hinzen's case, spending doubloons gave us 2000 steel (bundle of 200 steel and 3000 coal is now worth 2200 doubloons, right?) and a Big Santa gift.

As I said, those rewards for Hizen were higher, because it was a dockyard during festive time of Christmas and New Year, so higher rewards everywhere.

But if someone asked for comparison, if Hizen or ZF-6 is cheaper of more expensive, I am replying which one is cheaper etc.