Max immelman seems pretty wea- i mean balanced

[leonport]

Since max immelman comming in next patch i just saw the first gameplay footages of it on Youtube and i have to say i think this is a bad tier X cv

 

saw also this video which the guy didn't even tried to attack dds:

 

you have 2 squadrons which are:

 

Torpedo bombers:This ships torpedos aren't amazing they have 600 more total alpha strike than hakuryu despite 4 torps and these torps have pretty meh floodchance and planes aren't super sonic like graf zeppelin or mvr and they are made of paper

 

and you have skip bombers which are this weird hybrid of torpedo bombers and HE bombers and i mean by that:

they similar aim and have horizontal dispersion like torpedo bombers(which means you angle and they do way less damage) but they drop midway like HE bombs with 300m/s speed, the planes them selves are similar to the top mvr dive bombers in terms of hp and speed which is not nice when you realize these things have no heal

 

and considering you have only half squadron reserve bonus and missing a whole attack aircraft squadron this thing will get actually deplanned 

 

and by not having attack aircraft whatsoever and skip bombers are probably even worse at dealing with DDs than regular HE dive bombers this thing has no ways of dealing with DDs 

 

So you have this carrier that can't deal with DDs but unlike mvr or fdr it doesn't have super strong ways of dealing with cruisers and BBs 

 

it might be too early to give this a rating but guys idk this thing seems garbage to me its like a tier X kaga that can't do crap against dds or if you wanna compare it to a tier  X carrier i would say this thing is an audacius that have easier time farming bbs at the cost of having no ways of dealing with DDs which is a very bad trade off(btw i have unicum pr on cvs take my opinion on that note)

 

If you are a CC or a super tester i would like to know your experience on how skip bombs are performing, based on what ive seen on youtube these bombers doesn't seem like a universal tool against every class which they should be if you have no attack aircraft

[principat121]

2 minutes ago, leonport said:

If you are a CC or a super tester i would like to know your experience on how skip bombs are performing

NDA says no to that request. 

[leonport]

1 minute ago, principat121 said:

NDA says no to that request. 

they are allowed to speak now they can even make videos, the ship is comming in 2 days

[principat121]

1 minute ago, leonport said:

they are allowed to speak now they can even make videos, the ship is comming in 2 days

Maybe CC are allowed to do videos on new stuff, but ST are not allowed to share anything regarding the tests. 

[Verblonde]

10 minutes ago, leonport said:

i have to say i think this is a bad tier X cv

That's not a bad thing, at least not for the game.

 

She's available for coal isn't she (Vampire II's the RB ship?)? I might even pick her up if she's rubbish - blasting bots in CVs can be vaguely fun at times, especially when there are CV related missions on...

[leonport]

2 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

That's not a bad thing, at least not for the game.

 

She's available for coal isn't she (Vampire II's the RB ship?)? I might even pick her up if she's rubbish - blasting bots in CVs can be vaguely fun at times, especially when there are CV related missions on...

yeah i mean i probably will still get her because there are no other coal ships i would buy at the momnet

[principat121]

1 minute ago, leonport said:

yeah i mean i probably will still get her because there are no other coal ships i would buy at the momnet

And it is still a CV in the end. The class with the build-in superiority for game impact exp. for players who know how-to-play CVs! 

In that regard it is a recommendation. 

[Miscommunication_dept]

A few CCs I;ve seen are saying it's strong due to doing high damage games.

 

I counter with: If I take a Midway out  and ignore destroyers completely, I can get 100k every game.

 

Max Immelmann is forced to do this as it has no rockets and it's bombs are not well suited to killing destroyers.

 

Unlike the FDR, which is in a similar position when it comes to destroyers, Max Immelmann is not much better than a Midway at attacking battleships and stacking DOT damage. 

It will also struggle to hit ships camping Islands as it needs to attack broadsides with both armament types.

 

It doesn't look strong nor weak to me.

It will be interesting to see when CV mains get their hands on it as so far I've only seen Reimu Bakarei play it.

[Wulf_Ace]

anybody have any stats numbers on dd Vampire??

[Ocsimano18]

The trend seems to be no more good ships for coal as it is too easy/cheap to get, thus no big profit for WG.

[El2aZeR]

I actually think it looks quite decent. Won't dislodge Haku and Midway from their thrones ofc but at least it seems better than Audacious/FDR/MvR.

Can't say for sure until I've played it though.

[Miragetank90]

20 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

I actually think it looks quite decent.

 

I agree, for now I think it looks pretty OK - based on Yuzo's article and video. 

 

That aside, the skip bombs are something new and it's interesting. I'd buy it on release day if I had the coal. 

[Miscommunication_dept]

1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

I actually think it looks quite decent. Won't dislodge Haku and Midway from their thrones ofc but at least it seems better than Audacious/FDR/MvR.

Can't say for sure until I've played it though.

Be sure to post a replay when you do! 

[Jethro_Grey]

1 hour ago, Wulf_Ace said:

anybody have any stats numbers on dd Vampire??

Watched some CCs play it.

 

Consensus seems to be, and based on what i've seen sofar, i tend to agree, that it is a slightly worse Daring.

 

You trade of one entire torp launcher, a good self defense Hydro and heal  for 2km more torp range and a crawling smoke and Haidas hydro.

It's more team dependent than Daring as you need people to spot for you.

 

More vulnerable than Daring to CVs as it doesn't have Darings quickly recharging smoke screens.

 

First imprssion is, not bad but no Daring.

Also, 55k RB points, means 6 lines of ships need to be reset and grinded/ FXPed to get it.

 

Gonna get Immelmann as i am only 38k coal away. I am contemplating however, to wait until next patch, or maybe the one after,  to see what other ships may or may not be available for coal.

[KratosTheUnforgiving]

Who cares just another CV while the game goes hell in a hand bag with unfixed bugs, greedy WG cons.

[hellhound666]

2 hours ago, Wulf_Ace said:

anybody have any stats numbers on dd Vampire??

 

[KillStealBoss]

Need 2 months from now to get the coal to buy her. I don't think it's trash but bad CV players will be useless in her. It's ok if you know what to do in her and Panzerknacker showed in replay that you can hit DDs but it's not easy and needs practice. 

 

[Lootboxer]

31 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Need 2 months from now to get the coal to buy her. I don't think it's trash but bad CV players will be useless in her. It's ok if you know what to do in her and Panzerknacker showed in replay that you can hit DDs but it's not easy and needs practice. 

 

The definition of boring.

Wouldn't want it for free but still better then FdR I suppose due to speed.

Can't do much to DDs so big no.

And you do not see your bombs hitting - no visual feedback on your drops but those are quick.

 

[Yedwy]

Full paper with strange weapon system and only two plane types...

 

I think I will pass on her for now...

[Miscommunication_dept]

I keep thinking that AP bombs on Hak and MvR are quite useless as soon as anything is moving. I end up relying almost entirely on rockets and torps on these CVs. So maybe having only two plane types is not too bad?

 

That said, comparing the armament to Midway makes M. Immelmann look rather weak:

 

Midway bombs max damage for round start planes: 448,000

M. Immelmann bombs max damage per round start planes: 264,000

Midway torps max damage for round start planes: 162,144

M. Immelmann torps max damage for round start planes: 114,408

No rockets also means 3 fewer fighter consumables.

 

Immelmann has better restoration times but worse plane health (bombers 1710 vs 2485).

 

Midway bombs are probably easier to use due to turning during attacks  and the lack of deck armour thick enough to shatter them.

Immelmann bombs will shatter on Italian, German and Russian battleship sides but seem to much better dispersion.

 

 

[Humorpalanta]

12 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

I actually think it looks quite decent. Won't dislodge Haku and Midway from their thrones ofc but at least it seems better than Audacious/FDR/MvR.

Can't say for sure until I've played it though.

This thing is hilarious. Judging from the vid it is perfect for dropping from flying over islands. If a big ship (Stalin, Yama, etc.) hugs an island you just activate this hilarity, fly over the island and drop it right on them. It doesn't need to skip in order to arm. If you put the first line on the ship the bombs will hit and arm. Causing damage and fires. And you come from the island so no AA. If you line up the drops this thing could pump out hilarious damage.

[Miscommunication_dept]

1 hour ago, Humorpalanta said:

This thing is hilarious. Judging from the vid it is perfect for dropping from flying over islands. If a big ship (Stalin, Yama, etc.) hugs an island you just activate this hilarity, fly over the island and drop it right on them. It doesn't need to skip in order to arm. If you put the first line on the ship the bombs will hit and arm. Causing damage and fires. And you come from the island so no AA. If you line up the drops this thing could pump out hilarious damage.

There is also a funky turn thing where you can drop out of catapult fighter range after a drop then drop them again.

 

[Excavatus]

can't talk about her yet.. because of NDA.. 

But I'll do that.. oh I'll speak a lot about her.. because I've tested her.. A LOT! 

 

But I did that for FDR too.. 

and trust me.. in both discords I'm in, about FDR.. in test phase.. 

I was screaming this ship is brokenly strong.. so much fun. (for the CV) 

and everyone said that ship is crap, too situational, and don't have the ability to control the game..

 

I agree.. she lacks the map control.. but for randoms.. she is broken. a CV with immortal planes.. 

 

yeah I can't talk about immelman.. yet.. but you get my point :) 

I have all my screenshots :) and all my ideas :) 
I'll even have a video on my channel on saturday.. and planning to stream starting thursday, then friday, then full weekend :) 

You can say, I have a strange attachment to her.. but can't disclose the reasons.. 

All I can say to anyone planning to buy her.. 

 

If you are not a great CV player, or a CV main.. 
just wait for at least a week.. to see.. just wait a little.. 

---

PS: Don't turn this topic into a general CV discussion, Keep it on Immelman, so It stays open!

[Procrastes]

14 hours ago, Ocsimano18 said:

The trend seems to be no more good ships for coal as it is too easy/cheap to get, thus no big profit for WG.

I somehow got the feeling that the trend of releasing more carefully balanced (that, non-op) premiums started a few years ago when WG felt compelled to scrap their plans on making existing premiums subject to nerfs?

[Hades_warrior]

Don't care, not playing TX pvp anymore