Update 0.10.3 – German Destroyers: Part 1

[YabbaCoe]

V 15. 4. 2021 v 18:36 x_scheer109_x řekl/a:

I thought you have "experts" who should actually know. I guess I was wrong. But it can't be that difficult to change the armament so that the original look is retained? It's very easy:

 

Z23 before the update with 15cm guns

 

Z23 with the new but optically unsuitable 12.8 cm guns (from Z46 / Z52)

 

12.8 cm guns from Hermelin (optically very similar to the old 15 cm guns)

 

@YabbaCoe Would be nice if you could pass this on to the developers.

So the main reason is, that those guns are different: 128/61 SK C42 on Hermelin and for Z-23 128/45 SKC/34 in which were used in MPLC/34 turret.

Parameters are also different considering their tier and class.

[CaptainKreutzer]

@YabbaCoe My friend told me that somebody managed to name all German DDs that only had codes... I'll drop the names so please consider changing Z23s name so we can save her historical 150 mm version.

 

1936A "Narvik" Class Destroyer
KMS Z23 Hugo Meuer
KMS Z24 Bernhard Rösing
KMS Z25 Felix Funke
KMS Z26 Max Loof
KMS Z27 Wolfgang Wegener
KMS Z28 Ludwig Schröder
KMS Z29 Karl Behm
KMS Z30 Heinrich Saß

 

1936A Mob class Destroyer
KMS Z31 Wilhelm Kindt
KMS Z32 Max Basse
KMS Z33 Rudolf Siegel
KMS Z34 Hugo Kinderling
KMS Z37 Arthur Tapken
KMS Z38 Georg Ammon
KMS Z39 Hugo Louran

 

1936B Class Destroyer
KMS Z35 Franz Holleben
KMS Z36 Johannes Rieve
KMS Z43 Otto Back
KMS Z44 Otto Phillip
KMS Z45 Max Witschel

 

1936C Class Destroyer
KMS Z46 Karl Rudolf Brommy
KMS Z47 Ernst Goette
KMS Z48 Wilhelm Höpfner
KMS Z49 Eduard Varrentrapp
KMS Z50 Waldemar Pieper

 

1942 Class Destroyer
KMS Z51 Max Hahn

 

1944 Class Zestörer
KMS Z52 Karl Sievers
KMS Z53 Constanz Feldt
KMS Z54 Richard Lange
KMS Z55 Carl Hollweg
KMS Z56 Karl Seiferling

[BruceRKF]

1 hour ago, YabbaCoe said:

So the main reason is, that those guns are different: 128/61 SK C42 on Hermelin and for Z-23 128/45 SKC/34 in which were used in MPLC/34 turret.

Parameters are also different considering their tier and class.

True that, but as far as I'm aware neither of those turrets existed, so mabye we could have the Hermelin turret with the shorter barrels? Just for looks purposes? Also, please fix the turret traverse on her, either make them all fast or slow, but that twin turret turning so much faster is just plain irritating.

Still mad about the fact that Z-23 is now essentially a paper fantasy ship (thanks to @x_scheer109_xfor the correction), btw.

[x_scheer109_x]

4 minutes ago, BruceRKF said:

Still mad about the fact that Z-23 is now essentially a paper ship, btw.

Z23 is more of a fantasy ship than a paper ship.

57 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

So the main reason is, that those guns are different: 128/61 SK C42 on Hermelin and for Z-23 128/45 SKC/34 in which were used in MPLC/34 turret.

Parameters are also different considering their tier and class.

I'm interested in the shape of the turret and not the Hermelin guns! This looks very similar to the original 15 cm tower. Of course, the designers have to do a little more than just copy & paste.

[ColonelPete]

The orginal 150mm DD twin turret (48' Barrel):

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Weight: 60t

 

BB twin 150mm turret (55' Barrel)

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Weight: 108-120t

 

CL Triple 150mm turret (60' barrel):

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Weight: 136-147t

 

Felix Schulz and Elbing have twin 150mm guns with 60' barrel.

[YabbaCoe]

Před 22 minutami x_scheer109_x řekl/a:

Z23 is more of a fantasy ship than a paper ship.

I'm interested in the shape of the turret and not the Hermelin guns! This looks very similar to the original 15 cm tower. Of course, the designers have to do a little more than just copy & paste.

Still those guns were actually used in MPLC/34 turrets on DDs of similar classes: http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_5-45_skc34.php

[BruceRKF]

48 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Still those guns were actually used in MPLC/34 turrets on DDs of similar classes: http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_5-45_skc34.php

Of course the guns were used on many German DDs, no one here questions that. However, only the single mounts were used. A twin turret was planned, but never existed, says it right in your linked page in the first paragraph. Since it is not a real turret anyway, it might as well look good. That is the point we want to make here.

[YabbaCoe]

Před 1 hodinou BruceRKF řekl/a:

Of course the guns were used on many German DDs, no one here questions that. However, only the single mounts were used. A twin turret was planned, but never existed, says it right in your linked page in the first paragraph. Since it is not a real turret anyway, it might as well look good. That is the point we want to make here.

True and I agree. I just wanted to show, why this particular turret was used, as the player was interested in the shape of the turret.

[TMM01]

On 4/12/2021 at 2:14 PM, Un_Dac_Liber said:

2,200 doubloons for each phase in the shipyard? WG you became very greedy. Suddenly I lost my interest for the dockyard. keep doing it.

Totally agree with the greed. Hence why they are pushing to recruit more players lately . Like the old saying goes WG "you reep what you sow" I have stopped spending on ships and extras. 

[YabbaCoe]

Před 6 hodinami TMM01 řekl/a:

Totally agree with the greed. Hence why they are pushing to recruit more players lately . Like the old saying goes WG "you reep what you sow" I have stopped spending on ships and extras. 

The lowest amount of doubloons needed to finish the dockyard is 5000, which is the same as for Hizen. Also this amount is definitely much lower to other tier IX ships in armory...

[Carramber1]

Ok I'm not particularly enthused by this upcoming update. The beasts event looks interesting, but the reward is disappointing, ultimately getting camo's for awful ships are of no interest to me. The Auction is a feature nobody asked for or wanted, I also feel uncomfortable about it due to it promoting gambling.

 

The Commander skill changes are a step in the right direction, but don't go far enough, Secondary build battleships and cruisers are still massively underrepresented by the skills available. Also there should be a global skill reset, as there are players who chose skills to mitigate not having dead eye, but will not have chance to reskill their commanders once dead eye is gone.

 

Finally the update for the achievements is a mixed bag, I'm happy with the visual elements but I dislike the idea to changes to rewards being given out by getting achievements. I'm no unicum player, scoring achievements left right an centre. So like the majority of the player base, we do not need to be further handicapped by making getting signals harder to get than before. In this circumstance, its a case of its not broken, so leave it alone.

[Klopirat]

Vor 6 Minuten, Carramber1 sagte:

Ok I'm not particularly enthused by this upcoming update.

wrong thread? nothing in your posts is related to the 0.10.3.

 

Vor 7 Minuten, Carramber1 sagte:

ultimately getting camo's for awful ships

where did you find information about the rewards please?

 

Vor 7 Minuten, Carramber1 sagte:

The Auction is a feature nobody asked for or wanted

unfortunately this is not true. WoT has a similar feature from time to time (the black market), and everytime WoWS players are demanding to introduce it also to WoWS. 

 

Vor 11 Minuten, Carramber1 sagte:

I also feel uncomfortable about it due to it promoting gambling.

while I don't like the auction feature, I don't see why it should be gambling...

[ColonelPete]

We now have the first set of stats.

 

Tier IX

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Not much performance for that strong AP.

 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20210424/eu_2month/average_ship_u.html

 

Tier VIII

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Player numbers are too low, but that does not look good...

 

Tier VII

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These player numbers are also quite low. Looks like the early access for these DD was not very attractive.

Despite being reagarded to be weaker than GJ Maerker, she seems to perform relativly better.

 

Looks like we need at least another 2 weeks to get better data.

 

P.S. Hyuga seems to have left the development phase as her stats are now counted.

[Ancient10]

Hi, Would be interesting to know exactly what each lv needs..
When it not says  6 matches or 5 million gold ( or what ever ) you play and by random those lvl are finished....

Boring, inconsistent and pretty confusing, aHammer means =?  a coal chart ?  , Thats the reward yes.. but what is the mission..
Contract design say jack crap..   and so forth,,

-Better you can do..

T.

[Klopirat]

Vor 3 Stunden, Ancient10 sagte:

by random those lvl are finished

not by random, every earned/bought stage finishs one (the next) level...

 

Vor 3 Stunden, Ancient10 sagte:

but what is the mission..

all missions are shown ingame of course

 

[300ConfirmedKills]

The 'Daily Rewards' section is well hidden. It should show up on the left of the port screen like everything else that's relevant on a daily basis.

[YabbaCoe]

V 2. 5. 2021 v 4:23 300ConfirmedKills řekl/a:

The 'Daily Rewards' section is well hidden. It should show up on the left of the port screen like everything else that's relevant on a daily basis.

It pops-up with the login. Also if you login and don't collect that, it will be collected automatically after your next login