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Which T10 ships are underpowered?

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I will only talk about ships that i also play myself. Feel free to add more.

 

Zao: Her extremely small HP pool (compared to similar cruisers) and the lack of range (combined with the unnecessary nerf of the UU), make her a very sqishy ship to play. I suggest to either increase the range by about one kilometer or add 5k more HP and then see how this affects the ship.

 

Kremlin: Yes, this ship. Insanely strong after its release but rn i don't know a single BB that i would want to play less. Unrealiable guns and the hihh caliber HE spam make her very hard to play. As a first attempt i would suggest to revert its old nerfs and giving her back the 4th heal and the HP of her AA mounts. This will allow her to be better at her role, which is tanking. Possibly add an additional damage con?

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Midway. See average stats. Totally useless ship. WG pls buff.

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Vor 4 Minuten, El2aZeR sagte:

Midway. See average stats. Totally useless ship. WG pls buff.

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And buff Petropavlovsk, so she could keep up with buffed Midway

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8 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Midway. See average stats. Totally useless ship. WG pls buff.

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3 minutes ago, Perekotypole said:

And buff Petropavlovsk, so she could keep up with buffed Midway

Come on kids, don't be like that :P

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9 minutes ago, geschlittert said:

Zao: Her extremely small HP pool (compared to similar cruisers) and the lack of range (combined with the unnecessary nerf of the UU), make her a very sqishy ship to play. I suggest to either increase the range by about one kilometer or add 5k more HP and then see how this affects the ship.

Call me crazy but with the implementation of DeadEye I actually found playing zao easier than before. Dodging tighter disperson is easier.

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Tier X is generally well balanced. The problem are primarily ships that are too strong.

 

If one wanted to improve Zao, a bit more HP would indeed be a good idea.

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Kremlin on the side is still a monster.

 

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Kurfurst, Zao, Z-52, Yueyang and Gearing are the poster-childs of powercreep. In terms of ships that can still do a job but are shadows of what they used to be, you have Smolensk and Stalingrad.

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Zao suffers a fair bit with the proliferation of 18" armed BBs.

 

Z-52 is a bit on the weakish side in the damage department, I'm not sure smoke+hydro trick is enough to make up for its shortcomings.

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1 minute ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Call me crazy but with the implementation of DeadEye I actually found playing zao easier than before. Dodging tighter disperson is easier.

Yeah, that stray bullet scoring a cit into your butt was really annyoing

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2 minutes ago, MatZam said:

Kurfurst, Zao, Z-52, Yueyang and Gearing are the poster-childs of powercreep. In terms of ships that can still do a job but are shadows of what they used to be, you have Smolensk and Stalingrad.

Call me crazy, but i think that the kurfürst is an insanly strong ship when you just want to play for win.

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6 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

 Dodging tighter disperson is easier.

Do you also use LM for hitting with tighter dispersion?

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1 minute ago, Execute0rder66 said:

Do you also use LM for hitting with tighter dispersion?

IIRC i didnt grind enough Zao for the LM before they got "research points-only", sadly. And now i cant be bothered with regrinding for the sake of LM's.

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40 minutes ago, geschlittert said:

I will only talk about ships that i also play myself. Feel free to add more.

 

Zao: Her extremely small HP pool (compared to similar cruisers) and the lack of range (combined with the unnecessary nerf of the UU), make her a very sqishy ship to play. I suggest to either increase the range by about one kilometer or add 5k more HP and then see how this affects the ship.

 

Kremlin: Yes, this ship. Insanely strong after its release but rn i don't know a single BB that i would want to play less. Unrealiable guns and the hihh caliber HE spam make her very hard to play. As a first attempt i would suggest to revert its old nerfs and giving her back the 4th heal and the HP of her AA mounts. This will allow her to be better at her role, which is tanking. Possibly add an additional damage con?

zao is still a powerfull ship but she got powercrept by new op ships. i would rather nerf the new OP ships instead of buffing zao. 

 

kremlin and being underpowered in the same sentence? omg :cap_fainting:

i mean, sure i play kremlin not that much anymore but this isnt because she is UP and needs buff. thats because deadeye and the meta. Kremlin doesnt need any buff. no way. nope. just no.

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Perhaps Tier 10 is the only tier where there is a somewhat decent balance. Gearing is not underpowered, but as jack of all trades the Daring and Grozovoi perform much better.

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8 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

IIRC i didnt grind enough Zao for the LM before they got "research points-only", sadly. And now i cant be bothered with regrinding for the sake of LM's.

I tried it in a couple of games. You sacrifice 8% range for -7% distribution. Didn't play many games with LM but i didn't see much difference in dmg output in the limited amount of games i played. Maybe i need to play more, dunno.

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I would say apart from All cvs are borken and should be removed, general All bbs are to strong compared to other classes. But well yeach T10 is general ok balanced (by WG standards).

 

And Camone Kremilin and Underpowered? lets buff also Thunderer why not :d (joking) 

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Just now, Execute0rder66 said:

I tried it in a couple of games. You sacrifice 8% range for -7% distribution. Didn't play many games with LM but i didn't see much difference in dmg output in the limited amount of games i played. Maybe i need to play more, dunno.

Yeah extra accuracy is always nice, especially for players who can aim properly. And with almost all of my ships I specced for max accuracy and dpm instead of range. But the thing is that in the current meta 20km+ fights arent uncommon. So the range you sacrifice might be an issue in a lot of games. 

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1 minute ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Yeah extra accuracy is always nice, especially for players who can aim properly. And with almost all of my ships I specced for max accuracy and dpm instead of range. But the thing is that in the current meta 20km+ fights arent uncommon. So the range you sacrifice might be an issue in a lot of games. 

That's true, it is an issue.

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Kleber is underpowerd, at least if you want some ambush-playstyle.... 

 

Khaba is still worse than Tashkent. 

 

Given all the bias-ships like Petro and Nevski, they could easily give back stealth-(like)-Radar to Wooster 

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8 minutes ago, Prophecy82 said:

Given all the bias-ships like Petro and Nevski, they could easily give back stealth-(like)-Radar to Wooster 

Nevski a bias ship? 

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24 minutes ago, ghostbuster_ said:

kremlin and being underpowered in the same sentence? omg :cap_fainting:

I mean, i just dont really see her performing at all in the current meta. And the new captain skills dont really help

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i jump on ships everyone perceives as in direction of op, i fail. if i replay turds once in a moon, to see if they're really that turdy, i often score super-unicum matches.... hmmmm.....

how 'bout "don't ask me", sincerely: khabarovsk and "nerfed" (lol) kleber :Smile_great::Smile_veryhappy:

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7 minutes ago, geschlittert said:

I mean, i just dont really see her performing at all in the current meta. And the new captain skills dont really help

 

Kremlin is a strong ship for average players, because they will survive much longer than in any other ship. Hence it has good average WR. Same reason why GK is often not bottom of the pack, because it can sustain a lot of fire even while suiciding, which can give the team time to cause more damage on other ships.

 

If id pick a TX ship, which has lost an edge over time, id go with Wooster. Used to be OP, got nerfed, now a lot of powercreep... and it actually is at the bottom of the pack, despite carrying radar. Radar ships often have a better WR, well, thanks to having Radar which kills DDs.

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9 minutes ago, geschlittert said:

I mean, i just dont really see her performing at all in the current meta. And the new captain skills dont really help

Deadeye is going to ve reworked and hopefully it wont be a must have for BBs and meta is gonna change. 

Kremlin is still a very strong ship. She not being prefered is because of other broken ships like thunderer.

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1 hour ago, El2aZeR said:

Midway. See average stats. Totally useless ship. WG pls buff.

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The only T10 CV with above 50% win rate  is FDR.

 

Clearly they all need a buff.

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