poll: best T8 radar cruiser?

[Camperdown]

Hi all, as the title says: which is the best T8 radar cruiser?

I ask, because I am a DD hunter and am curious which of 'm you like best.

Bonus points for short explanation why.

I think I have listed them all, but added other just in case and for funny answers.

[xe_N_on]

I would say Enterprise

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1 minute ago, xe_N_on said:

I would say Enterprise

To the gulag 

[fumtu]

Why is Tiger'59 on the list? How can anyone know how good it is if it is still under NDA and in testing phase?

[MementoMori_6030]

Atago, if WG would give her the 1943 Type 22 surface search and 1944 Type 13 air search radars.

 

[Panocek]

Edinburgh, solid margin of stealth radar and her AP shells effectively combine CA kind of damage with CL rate of fire. Chapayev would be second, having tad longer effective gun range against maneuvering targets.

 

Baltimore would be best CA due to tiny, but still stealth radar capacity, highest rate of fire short of MBRB'd Charles Martel and having overall good firepower/protection/agility package. And she's damn pretty boat to boot.

[Lootboxer]

I voted Balti as it's the best overall but for strictly dd huntind Edinburgh is the best due to surprising stealth radar and a bit better dpm but struggles with kiting away angled DDs. 

Both will most of the time fail to kill not a total potato DD alone during one radar duration but it should run away crippled. Minotaurs they are not sadly. 

[SeaWolf7]

 

1 hour ago, Camperdown said:

Hi all, as the title says: which is the best T8 radar cruiser?

I ask, because I am a DD hunter and am curious which of 'm you like best.

Bonus points for short explanation why.

I think I have listed them all, but added other just in case and for funny answers.

 

 

Radar Is Radar regardless of what ship it is on Imo.

They all do the same thing, just for longer or shorter over a greater distance. I don't tend to sacrifice radar for smoke when in a ship specifically designed around smoke like RNL for example. 

A smokeless smoke cruiser is usually a dead cruiser, especially in this current Meta anyway.

But having said that, Balti for its ability to punish Said DD when spotted.

Eddy for its Stealth.

[DFens_666]

Id say Chapa is the strongest when you want to fight good DD players. Stealth radar, good ballistics and high DPM is a nasty combo. Edinburgh could be stronger against average DD players, when you can catch them before they turn. Against good DD players, Edin will struggle because it only has AP. If they are already angled, you will only deal very little damage. Also Edin is probably harder to play with radar than Chapa, because of having only AP and mediocre range. Chapa can always fart HE from longer ranges.

 

So Edin/Chapa are the top spots for me, and it kinda depends what you are fighting. Since Chapa deals better with stronger players, chapa is number 1 for me. Against average DD players, most Radar Cruisers will perform well enough, especially on T8 when they basicly can all radar when being spotted. Tallinn and Wichita would be my last picks because Tallinn has long reload and short radar duration, while Wichita has 500m worse concealment than radar range (is it the "worst" radar cruiser on T8 in terms of concealment vs radar range? i think so)

[anonym_ziPQbxoJkOE7]

Chapa's 2km stealth radar is pretty insane. I couldn't really use it to it's full potential since I don't have RPF on my Chapa captain yet.

Balti can also mess up people who're caught by her radar

 

However a DD or CA caught by Cleveland radar are in for a real bad time. They either get completely shredded or heavily crippled by the sheer DPM. Her high shell arcs allow her to abuse taller islands plus she also has an annoyingly small citadel that makes her a nuisance to deal with

[159Hunter]

Wichita, simply cause imo it is the best tier VIII cruiser in game

[tocqueville8]

Baltimore for me.

 

The Chapayev has better ballistics, but her radar is shorter, to the point where you might consider RPF to have your guns pre-turned, or you might miss your second salvo. She also has to show broadside to use more than 50% of her guns.

Baltimore can just go straight towards the DD while using 67% of her guns, and she has a lot more time to bring her guns to bear.

 

Also, Baltimore gets easy citadels on smoked-up cruisers, thanks to her improved AP angles.

 

Finally, if you overextend to chase down a DD, the Baltimore is still capable of tanking several BBs in her matchmaking spread, like the Bismarck and Richelieu for instance. Meanwhile, Chappy and Edi can get citadelled through the nose.

Basically, the Baltimore is a strong ship around islands and caps anyway, while the Chapayev is more of a long-range kiter.

 

Having said this, I've only played with the tech tree ones so far, and most of my Edi games have been with smoke, so there's that.

[Verblonde]

Speaking mainly as a target for these things, I'd say it's Chapy, and fairly comfortably too: the combination of 12 km (stealth) radar and those ballistics is pretty fearsome.

 

Plus, the sheer area of the map that a Chapy can cover reduces your freedom of action more than 10 km radars do more so than one might think (Chapy covers up to 452 km², compared to 314 km² for a 10 km radar; the latter is only 69% of the former - assuming my maths is right; Pi * r²).

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1 hour ago, Verblonde said:

Speaking mainly as a target for these things, I'd say it's Chapy, and fairly comfortably too: the combination of 12 km (stealth) radar and those ballistics is pretty fearsome.

 

Plus, the sheer area of the map that a Chapy can cover reduces your freedom of action more than 10 km radars do more so than one might think (Chapy covers up to 452 km², compared to 314 km² for a 10 km radar; the latter is only 69% of the former - assuming my maths is right; Pi * r²).

Including everything behind you. Watch out, that's a DD following you 

[Yedwy]

Purely for DD hunt probs Belfast as she can actually survive that without getting blaped by the deadeye squadron in the back...

[_HomTanks_]

"Which of the T8 radar cruisers is the best?"

 

- I don't think there is a clear answer to this question. Some people like using stealth radar and they can choose Chapa. Some like US ships and longer lasting but shorter distance US radar. Some ships are very dependent on maps, like US and UK ships as playing them in open water (say, Ocean map or others with less islands) like Soviet cruisers wouldn't be the best idea. Some could say, i want to be able to radar when i'm in smoke, there you go, Belfast '43. This is kind of like asking, which is the best T9 DD and again the answer would vary widely, imo.

[Verblonde]

1 hour ago, Camperdown said:

Watch out, that's a DD following you

Just because a BB is paranoid doesn't mean there *isn't* a DD out to get it...

[RenamedUser_92906789]

18 hours ago, Camperdown said:

Hi all, as the title says: which is the best T8 radar cruiser?

I ask, because I am a DD hunter and am curious which of 'm you like best.

Bonus points for short explanation why.

I think I have listed them all, but added other just in case and for funny answers.

 

I voted for Baltimore (based on the thread title alone) as it is one of the strongest radar cruiser at T8.

 

BUT

You said for DD hunting.

I would pick Cleveland solely because of higher rate of fire. I believe Cleveland does the best job of killing DDs of all radar cruisers at T8. Chappa is nice, but its played at range .... not ideal for DD hunting (except late game).

 

EDIT:

There is also Belfast on the list (I will never get used to two Belfasts, so I'm gonna call it 43). It has the most tools for sure, but unlike OG Belfast, I dont have it, so I wont give any suggestions.

[Hirohito]

Soviet long duration radar is just magnitudes better compared to the competition, so it was Chapayev for me.

Even if you do play careful around it, you get zoned from a big portion of the map, so the radar already had it's effect on you.

And if stuck with ~10km torps, have fun trying to dislodge him with HE (if you can even reach that far) or spotting (relying on halfway competent team mates in randoms).

[Camperdown]

Thanks all for your perspective. I shall reactivate Balti and Chapey and give them a spin to see for myself 

[totally_potato]

Baltimore, coz its actually as its name states. A heavy cruiser with good armor, radar, and overall good everything. Plus it can stealth radar a lil bit. It just the perfect definition of a radar cruisers. Alternatively I would take the Chapi, coz longer range radar and with all the skills, as much duration as american radar has before the commander rework. Plus while it is squishy, the guns are excellent against pretty much anything you face. 

[triumphgt6]

Belfast 43 is limited by reload - which is not as good as the old Belfast. The smoke is also destroyer smoke so less defence against retaliation from the other enemy ships. Tier 7 Belfast could be the best Tier 8 cruiser though! 

[COPlUM]

Best T8 radar cruiser imo is baltimore, but I also think it's straight up the best T8 cruiser overall. Until they release the T8 Alaska "congres" anyway.
But for zoning out and/or killing DDs specifically, Chapayev does that better, more range on the radar and railguns.
They're very different, chapayev you want to focus on killing the enemy DD early because you're really stonking good at it and then back up to play a long range spammer, Baltimore is a constant threat to DDs and CAs in that short/mid-range lurking around islands and stuff. They're both very good, as you can see in your poll results, but I like baltimore more. It's harder to play baltimore right though, Chapayev is easier.

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Update: I have started playing Chapayev again and I like her because she can do 2 tricks well: DD killer and long range HE spammer. DD killing often costs a chunk of your own health. If you are below 50% HP you can kite away and set some nasty fires on fatties. Good combo 

[MimosA_A]

On 4/5/2021 at 1:40 PM, SeaWolf7 said:

 

 

 

Radar Is Radar regardless of what ship it is on Imo.

They all do the same thing, just for longer or shorter over a greater distance. I don't tend to sacrifice radar for smoke when in a ship specifically designed around smoke like RNL for example. 

A smokeless smoke cruiser is usually a dead cruiser, especially in this current Meta anyway.

But having said that, Balti for its ability to punish Said DD when spotted.

Eddy for its Stealth.

Apart from the lower tiers and the Neptune, I vastly prefer radar on RNL cruisers. With the abundance of radar and a lot of people blindfiring smoke, smoke is pretty pointless, especially if you have to give up the ability to stealth radar for it. Smoke on cruisers is incredibly overrated. Not to mention the fact that quite often you'll be forced to use it defensively, which means you'll often be in smoke in a sub-optimal position.