german wwI battleships missing armourment

[Broe116]

Is there any reason why the dreadnoght wwI bb is NOT moddel with all there armoument??

 

why do the german kaiser class not have there casemat torpedo tupers?? 

 

is it ok do ignore such a weapon system for playability?

 

world of fantacyships *sign*

[KielYourself]

1 hour ago, Broe116 said:

Is there any reason why the dreadnoght wwI bb is NOT moddel with all there armoument??

 

why do the german kaiser class not have there casemat torpedo tupers?? 

 

is it ok do ignore such a weapon system for playability?

 

world of fantacyships *sign*

This is a video game and not real life, game is modelled and balanced so they FIT the game and its "balance".

 

 

[aleksi111]

None of the BB's, or even low-tier cruisers that IRL had FIXED underwater tubes have them available ingame.

 

Closest thing we have is Mutsu, which had above water, side mounted torpedo tubes with limited (minimal) traverse

[ColonelPete]

Tupers?

No, we have none of those...

[arttuperkunas]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

Tupers?

No, we have none of those...

But we have plenty of starchy tubers, so that’s ok.

[1MajorKoenig]

1 hour ago, Broe116 said:

Is there any reason why the dreadnoght wwI bb is NOT moddel with all there armoument??

 

why do the german kaiser class not have there casemat torpedo tupers?? 

 

is it ok do ignore such a weapon system for playability?

 

world of fantacyships *sign*

Fixed / hull tupers are generally not modelled. Just deck mounted launchers.

 

And while I agree that almost EVERYTHING is wrong with Kaiser’s model - the torp tupers are not the problem 

 

The problem is that it is a steaming pile of nonsense of a fictional Refit by extremely incompetent people with the result that the 3d model looks like horse-sh* and that it doesn’t make the slightest bit of sense

 

Better remove that atrocity from the game entirely EDIT and replace it with a Cold War Missile destroyer. Preferably of the superior Soviet Global Grand Fleet 

[arttuperkunas]

Eh, I wouldnt get worked up about missing tubes. Essentially all WW1 and most interwar BBs and BCs of both nations had tubes, so it’s hardly a German problem.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Only the high tier Legendary Soviet Battleships of the Glorious Red Workers and Peasants Navy are historically accurate. All other battleships get the World of Fantasyships treatment. As others have pointed out, they consider this to be an arcade game which apparently means that any (non-Soviet) battleship must be vulnerable even to someone throwing a kitchen sink at it from a passing slow boat to China.

[Fat_Maniac]

2 hours ago, Broe116 said:

Is there any reason why the dreadnoght wwI bb is NOT moddel with all there armoument??

 

why do the german kaiser class not have there casemat torpedo tupers?? 

 

is it ok do ignore such a weapon system for playability?

 

world of fantacyships *sign*

For the same reason Nelson doesn't have fixed torp tubes.... Balance

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 hour ago, Fat_Maniac said:

For the same reason Nelson doesn't have fixed torp tubes.... Balance

 

Well.. wikipedia says this: " During her repairs after being torpedoed in October 1941, Nelson had her torpedo tubes and UP rocket launchers removed... ", having googled around some people suggest they were a relic, bit like an appendix, by WW2, not really useful having a range so limited that no enemy battleship would ever get that close, and a hazard to the ship's hull integrity itself.

 

That leads to the question, if for reasons of balance they were removed in the game, why do some ships still have them... as 'gimmicks'? As selling points? Aren't they all premium ships? Maybe I'm wrong but can't remember a single non-premium BB with torpedoes.

[NewHorizons_1]

4 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Maybe I'm wrong but can't remember a single non-premium BB with torpedoes.

Just don't get withn 6km of a Gneisenau

[Ronchabale]

1 minute ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Maybe I'm wrong but can't remember a single non-premium BB with torpedoes.

Well Gneisenau but technically it is a battlecruiser

[Karasu_Browarszky]

4 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

Just don't get withn 6km of a Gneisenau

 

3 minutes ago, Ronchabale said:

Well Gneisenau but technically it is a battlecruiser

 

Had actually forgotten about that one, being preferential towards the Scharnhorst.

[Ronchabale]

Maybe they will add the HMS Rodney some day with tubes since it it allegedly the only battleship to actually torped another battleship

[SkollUlfr]

5 hours ago, Broe116 said:

 

world of fantacyships *sign*

 

5 hours ago, Miki12345 said:

game is modelled and balanced so they FIT the game and its "balance".

 

4 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

replace it with a Cold War Missile destroyer. Preferably of the superior Soviet Global Grand Fleet 

 

3 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Only the high tier Legendary Soviet Battleships of the Glorious Red Workers and Peasants Navy are historically accurate.

 

29 minutes ago, Ronchabale said:

Maybe they will add the HMS Rodney some day with tubes

 

sometimes these forums make me smile.

that most of the posts in one thread do so is welcome.

[arttuperkunas]

1 hour ago, Ronchabale said:

Well Gneisenau but technically it is a battlecruiser

Depends on who you ask. I think the majority opinion (and what it was imo called in Germany) is that it is a fast battleship, not a battlecruiser (due to having proper armour). Just as the graf spee was a panzerschiff, not a pocket battleship (whatever that is).

[Karasu_Browarszky]

55 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

Depends on who you ask. I think the majority opinion (and what it was imo called in Germany) is that it is a fast battleship, not a battlecruiser (due to having proper armour). Just as the graf spee was a panzerschiff, not a pocket battleship (whatever that is).

 

'British' for a Panzerschiff.

[arttuperkunas]

27 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

'British' for a Panzerschiff.

My personal opinion is that they called them pocket battleships to a. explain away the disproportionate inconvenience caused by some of these ships and b. to big up their victory at the battle of the River Plate at a time when they didn't have a lot of other victories to be celebrating

[Karasu_Browarszky]

8 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

My personal opinion is that they called them pocket battleships to a. explain away the disproportionate inconvenience caused by some of these ships and b. to big up their victory at the battle of the River Plate at a time when they didn't have a lot of other victories to be celebrating

 

It kind of brings to mind pocket knife too.

[T0byJug]

This Nugget again...

 

Ok 

5 hours ago, arttuperkunas said:

Eh, I wouldnt get worked up about missing tubes. Essentially all WW1 and most interwar BBs and BCs of both nations had tubes, so it’s hardly a German problem.

MM sorry but in game wrong.. just about every BB from tier IV upwards in-game is in the configuration of the early to late 1930s.. By this time just about all of them had had their tubes removed.. the main reason being that they were deemed pointless and it was found that nontrainable torpedo tubes on Cruisers or battleships were almost impossible to use effectively. in fact just about the only successes were against stationery (or anchored ships) at point-blank range.

 

Scharnhorst and Gneisenau had Torpedoes as their intended role was as a commerce raider..    so were designed with Topreodes in mind.. Tirpitz got them in a later refit when she was planned to be used in this role. Much Much quicker to sink a stopped merchant ship with a torpedo than gunfire

[Yedwy]

8 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

My personal opinion is that they called them pocket battleships to a. explain away the disproportionate inconvenience caused by some of these ships and b. to big up their victory at the battle of the River Plate at a time when they didn't have a lot of other victories to be celebrating

Not quite, shell caliber of 11 inches gave some measurable advantages especially in an era of treaty cruisers and although in the end Spee fell victim to the task force at the Plate it still doesnt mean Spee was just another heavy cruiser...

[arttuperkunas]

Just now, Yedwy said:

Not quite, shell caliber of 11 inches gave some measurable advantages especially in an era of treaty cruisers and although in the end Spee fell victim to the task force at the Plate it still doesnt mean Spee was just another heavy cruiser...

I didn't call them heavy cruisers; I wrote "panzerschiff", which is probably the only accurate description, as a ship/ship class of that type didn't really have a proper translation. But a battleship of any kind it certainly isn't, due to the lack of armour.

[Chaos_Umbra]

7 hours ago, Broe116 said:

Is there any reason why the dreadnoght wwI bb is NOT moddel with all there armoument??

 

why do the german kaiser class not have there casemat torpedo tupers?? 

 

is it ok do ignore such a weapon system for playability?

 

world of fantacyships *sign*

This will be minor compared to what WG are doing to the T5 and 6 German BBs next patch... Removal of the stock hulls so all the upgrade does is replace 4-6 aa guns with different ones...

7 hours ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Fixed / hull tupers are generally not modelled. Just deck mounted launchers.

 

And while I agree that almost EVERYTHING is wrong with Kaiser’s model - the torp tupers are not the problem 

 

The problem is that it is a steaming pile of nonsense of a fictional Refit by extremely incompetent people with the result that the 3d model looks like horse-sh* and that it doesn’t make the slightest bit of sense

 

Better remove that atrocity from the game entirely EDIT and replace it with a Cold War Missile destroyer. Preferably of the superior Soviet Global Grand Fleet 

It will be even worse next patch as the T5 stock hull is removed so you have the WW2 105mm AA guns on it , and the T6 Bayern only has it's fantasy refit, with the only difference being that the stock hull doesn't have the WW2 105mm AA guns but the secondary guns from the Old stock hull...

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Okay, so... should Spee be a cruiser or a BB in this game then, it doesn't seem to fit either of those classes very well.

[Ronchabale]

1 hour ago, arttuperkunas said:

Depends on who you ask. I think the majority opinion (and what it was imo called in Germany) is that it is a fast battleship, not a battlecruiser (due to having proper armour). Just as the graf spee was a panzerschiff, not a pocket battleship (whatever that is).

Think the "small" guns on Scharn and early Gneis were a way around the naval treaties

Refitting Gneis with lengthened hull and larger guns was planned but never completed

Indeed it and its sistership were a battleships