Developer Bulletin for Update 0.10.3

[Klopirat]

Vor 5 Stunden, 1MajorKoenig sagte:

Is anyone already on PTS? Could anyone share a screenshot of the new Bayern Stock hull?

Stock:

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Upgraded:

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as far as I can see only the sec guns differ between those two hulls...

[1MajorKoenig]

9 minutes ago, Klopirat said:

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as far as I can see only the sec guns differ between those two hulls...

Thanks Klopirat - exactly what I thought

 

@Ev1n / @MrConway / @YabbaCoe

 

I don’t think I am the only one who thinks that the stock hull - the “real” hull - should be in the game! The fantasy Refit - sorry to say - is a sad piece of garbage to be polite. And I played Bayern almost exclusively on the A hull during the past 4 years - without any gameplay issues. 
 

I am hugely disappointed that you now remove the real ship and just leave this obnoxious steaming pile. Who the hell makes such bad decisions? Is your sole intention to piss off everyone as good as possible?
 

What are you going to do with the “real” Bayern????
 

Reintroduce as premium? 

[YabbaCoe]

Před 29 minutami 1MajorKoenig řekl/a:

Thanks Klopirat - exactly what I thought

 

@Ev1n / @MrConway / @YabbaCoe

 

I don’t think I am the only one who thinks that the stock hull - the “real” hull - should be in the game! The fantasy Refit - sorry to say - is a sad piece of garbage to be polite. And I played Bayern almost exclusively on the A hull during the past 4 years - without any gameplay issues. 
 

I am hugely disappointed that you now remove the real ship and just leave this obnoxious steaming pile. Who the hell makes such bad decisions? Is your sole intention to piss off everyone as good as possible?
 

What are you going to do with the “real” Bayern????
 

Reintroduce as premium? 

Sorry to disapoint you here, but how that can piss off everyone, when just secondary guns were reinstalled, probably were even buffed? It is something like a refit, that could even happen in reality.

This game is heavily inspired by history, but it doesn't mean, that everything here have to be 100% historical. Sometimes for balancing reasons we have to make some changes, but honestly, those ones are very minor.

[Pikkozoikum]

46 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Thanks Klopirat - exactly what I thought

 

@Ev1n / @MrConway / @YabbaCoe

 

I don’t think I am the only one who thinks that the stock hull - the “real” hull - should be in the game! The fantasy Refit - sorry to say - is a sad piece of garbage to be polite. And I played Bayern almost exclusively on the A hull during the past 4 years - without any gameplay issues. 
 

I am hugely disappointed that you now remove the real ship and just leave this obnoxious steaming pile. Who the hell makes such bad decisions? Is your sole intention to piss off everyone as good as possible?
 

What are you going to do with the “real” Bayern????
 

Reintroduce as premium? 

Though some  hull upgrades are realistic, aren't they? At least that's what I thought about Myogiki from a pre war to war refit (dreadnought look to war-superstructure-pagode look)

[1MajorKoenig]

38 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Sorry to disapoint you here,

Yes this is a disappointment. A very serious disappointment in fact. 

 

38 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

when just secondary guns were reinstalled, probably were even buffed?

Did you even get the point? I am not talking about a secondary gun here or there - I am talking about removing the 3D model of the Bayern and only leaving a random obnoxious fantasy model I detest 

 

38 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

It is something like a refit, that could even happen in reality.

No. It could not have happen in that form as it makes absolutely no sense in any way. It is pure nonsense glued together randomly. 

 

38 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

but it doesn't mean, that everything here have to be 100% historical.

Nowhere did I claim that. And just because you already have tons of nonsense fantasy ships doesn’t justify replacing real ships with fantasy horse- as well. Wake up dudes - the reason people joined is not because of napkin-nonsense boats nobody cares about! You are removing the Basis why people joined in the first place - and mind you that is the sole reason why you can sell the fantasy boats nowadays. 
 

Just take your hands off the real boats and bring back the Bayern. 
 

38 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Sometimes for balancing reasons we have to make some changes, but honestly, those ones are very minor.

You are wrong - this is not a minor change but a significant failure. For me an even bigger failure than the ill-fated untested Skill rework. And from a balancing perspective the game has tons of issues. Bayern’s stock hull is none of them 

 

I can’t even say how utterly disappointed I am by this idiocy 

[1MajorKoenig]

20 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Though some  hull upgrades are realistic, aren't they? At least that's what I thought about Myogiki from a pre war to war refit (dreadnought look to war-superstructure-pagode look)

Well on Myogi nobody will care as she wasn’t built anyway so who can tell what she would have looked like. That is totally different for ships built in steel and which fought the enemy on the high seas. But how should WG know about such things?

 

They advertise their fantasy garbage with “they would have been among the best had they been built” 

[Pikkozoikum]

2 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Well on Myogi nobody will care as she wasn’t built anyway so who can tell what she would have looked like. That is totally different for ships built in steel and which fought the enemy on the high seas. But how should WG know about such things?

 

They advertise their fantasy garbage with “they would have been among the best had they been built” 

Myogi was just an example, where I saw these hull difference, I think there are more? ^^

[ZWC]

On 3/24/2021 at 1:18 PM, ZWC said:

I like some of the standard hulls....
people sometimes play this game because they like ships...you know

Somehow it's a bit weird that people do like ships.... if they play a naval game ..... hahaha
real ships....

[Cirno9999]

meanwhile russia puts tanks on trade ships for participation xD in axis vs allies

Hope people who have the removed hulls in inventory get some credits when they are removed

that first destroyer camo looks like something from playmobil kit

not a destroyer fan , probably do the missions for booty then

also cvs in axis vs allies meh , wasnt graf zeppelin scrapped for metal in the course of the war ?

also wonder if this is an pve or pvp mode , probably pvp with achievements

[x_scheer109_x]

9 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Yes this is a disappointment. A very serious disappointment in fact. 

WG is not really interested in historical ships. Why do we get a Copy & Paste Richtofen instead of the long wanted H42 (Big Gun Kurfürst)? The next copy & paste ship has already been announced with the Weimar, although there are still so many real ships that many players want.

46 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

It is something like a refit, that could even happen in reality.

But definitely not as your "historians" imagined...

[1MajorKoenig]

7 minutes ago, x_scheer109_x said:

WG is not really interested in historical ships. Why do we get a Copy & Paste Richtofen instead of the long wanted H42 (Big Gun Kurfürst)? The next copy & paste ship has already been announced with the Weimar, although there are still so many real ships that many players want.

I get that they are not investing into the Basis which is ships and only do milking as much as possible. But that doesn’t mean you even need to decrease the quality even more - you can leave the stuff in at least, no? 
 

7 minutes ago, x_scheer109_x said:

But definitely not as your "historians" imagined...

The WG Refit for Bayern is utterly laughable absurd and shows a stunning lack of understanding for ship building 

[Lootboxer]

9 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

Not yet.

I wonder if does it have anything to do with this:

3 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

But in randoms they are in normal numbers.

Yeah, 2-3 cruisers, with majority being heavy and super, pretty normal.

 

[WarshipFoxy]

20 hours ago, panzerbetyar_h said:

Oh Axis vs. Allies inspired by historical events. Because the Indonesian Navy's Irian from the Cold War era absolutely participated in WW2 as an allied ship. So did the Kutuzov or the Chapayev, they travelled back in time to turn the tide of events.

 

Now allowing (of course purely of balance reasons) incomplete ships like Graf Zeppelin. So why not Amagi or Kii too if we are that daring...

The Zepplin was at least mostly completed and the main thiung missing where the planes which is ok in my opinnion

[YabbaCoe]

Před 16 hodinami 1MajorKoenig řekl/a:

Yes this is a disappointment. A very serious disappointment in fact. 

 

Did you even get the point? I am not talking about a secondary gun here or there - I am talking about removing the 3D model of the Bayern and only leaving a random obnoxious fantasy model I detest 

 

No. It could not have happen in that form as it makes absolutely no sense in any way. It is pure nonsense glued together randomly. 

 

Nowhere did I claim that. And just because you already have tons of nonsense fantasy ships doesn’t justify replacing real ships with fantasy horse- as well. Wake up dudes - the reason people joined is not because of napkin-nonsense boats nobody cares about! You are removing the Basis why people joined in the first place - and mind you that is the sole reason why you can sell the fantasy boats nowadays. 
 

Just take your hands off the real boats and bring back the Bayern. 
 

You are wrong - this is not a minor change but a significant failure. For me an even bigger failure than the ill-fated untested Skill rework. And from a balancing perspective the game has tons of issues. Bayern’s stock hull is none of them 

 

I can’t even say how utterly disappointed I am by this idiocy 

All right. To be honest, I wanted to wait until the PT is up to check the difference, as you were talking about something, but you didn't post any screenshot to see that difference.

I just did the check and honestly, I understand your point of view now. I will check with colleagues, what was the real reason to completely skip the historical look of Bayern.

A hull in 0.10.2:

A hull in 0.10.3

Photo of Bayern in Scapa Flow:

[1MajorKoenig]

2 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

All right. To be honest, I wanted to wait until the PT is up to check the difference, as you were talking about something, but you didn't post any screenshot to see that difference.

I just did the check and honestly, I understand your point of view now. I will check with colleagues, what was the real reason to completely skip the historical look of Bayern.

A hull in 0.10.2:

A hull in 0.10.3

Photo of Bayern in Scapa Flow:

Yes this is exactly the point. I like these historical ships very much and I can’t understand why these few great historical ships are removed especially since there is a fantasy hull for those who prefer the AA - and at T6 the grind towards the top hull is super quick anyway 

 

 

[BruceRKF]

I think it is a catastrophic failure to get rid of another historical ship (essentially) when there are fewer and fewer of them (proportionally) as the game gets older. This Bayern might as well be a complete paper ship at this point with how few is left of the historical ship. I really would like to see the thought process behind this decision. Why not remove the completely ridiculous B hull and just make a new one based on the stock ship with upgraded secondaries and extra AA mounts? That is all that is needed, imo. I can understand weird hulls for ships that were never built, but for a historical ship to ruin it like that is a travesty.

[1MajorKoenig]

2 minutes ago, BruceRKF said:

I think it is a catastrophic failure to get rid of another historical ship (essentially) when there are fewer and fewer of them (proportionally) as the game gets older. This Bayern might as well be a complete paper ship at this point with how few is left of the historical ship. I really would like to see the thought process behind this decision. Why not remove the completely ridiculous B hull and just make a new one based on the stock ship with upgraded secondaries and extra AA mounts? That is all that is needed, imo. I can understand weird hulls for ships that were never built, but for a historical ship to ruin it like that is a travesty.

Precisely @MrConway / @YabbaCoe
 

 

[Marblehead_1]

Hmmm... Kutuzov, Chapaev, Irian, Vanguard and Saipan so WWII era ships  Indonesia was created two years after end of WWII after long anticollonial war against Dutch and British forces as I remember. TVIII RoCN DD's were obtained few years after WWII.

 

Whole mode seems just bad. One side has no radars while second has many. Best idea could be ban some radar ships and allow only radar ships like Edinburgh or Hsiengyang. Other solution could be this mode moved to the TVI or TVII.

 

Removal of stock hulls? In case of ships with three researchable hulls I'm ok with this, in case of historic stock hulls ( ships with only stock and upgraded hull ) I'm for no. I hope we recive fexp from such hulls.

[Rubytwo]

1 hour ago, Marblehead_1 said:

Removal of stock hulls? In case of ships with three researchable hulls I'm ok with this, in case of historic stock hulls ( ships with only stock and upgraded hull ) I'm for no. I hope we recive fexp from such hulls.

There were some CC's (i.e. Flamu and Sea Lord Mountbatten) who mentioned that WeeGee will probably introduce these removed hulls from the regular tech tree vessels  as a new premium vessel (variant to ARP Yamato).

 

If so, a new cash grab is upcoming :(

[YabbaCoe]

Před 4 hodinami Marblehead_1 řekl/a:

Hmmm... Kutuzov, Chapaev, Irian, Vanguard and Saipan so WWII era ships  Indonesia was created two years after end of WWII after long anticollonial war against Dutch and British forces as I remember. TVIII RoCN DD's were obtained few years after WWII.

 

Whole mode seems just bad. One side has no radars while second has many. Best idea could be ban some radar ships and allow only radar ships like Edinburgh or Hsiengyang. Other solution could be this mode moved to the TVI or TVII.

 

Removal of stock hulls? In case of ships with three researchable hulls I'm ok with this, in case of historic stock hulls ( ships with only stock and upgraded hull ) I'm for no. I hope we recive fexp from such hulls.

Those Axis vs. Allies battles are not WW2 battles. We never said that. Those are battles with built and historical ships.

With radars, we know, that just one side have those and it will be interesting to see the results of those battles. I played two so far, and we managed to win with Axis side against 4 radar ships. Of course it will very depend on players skill and possibilities to cooperate.

 

Před 3 hodinami Rubytwo řekl/a:

There were some CC's (i.e. Flamu and Sea Lord Mountbatten) who mentioned that WeeGee will probably introduce these removed hulls from the regular tech tree vessels  as a new premium vessel (variant to ARP Yamato).

 

If so, a new cash grab is upcoming :(

Mountbatten never was a CC, btw.

And this information is not true. We haven't published anything about reintroducing them as new ships.

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

On 3/24/2021 at 2:35 PM, YabbaCoe said:

Well, it was either hydro or smoke. With their strong APs they might be more effective to play against Cruisers more than other DDs.

 

And yet, Vampire II gets both, and all cruisers in game will simply murder the new German DDs, which are trash. 

[YabbaCoe]

Před 5 minutami AkainuTaisho řekl/a:

 

And yet, Vampire II gets both, and all cruisers in game will simply murder the new German DDs, which are trash. 

How can you know that for sure? While they are just in testing? You have some data from the testing already, to base your opinion on them?

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

3 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Mountbatten never was a CC, btw.

And this information is not true. We haven't published anything about reintroducing them as new ships.

'Haven't published' could also just mean that you as a Community Manager haven't heard about, because your job is to take crap from the community for the scumbag descisions the people in charge make. If Flamu and Mountbatton say 'will probably do', then it's obviously speculation on their part, but given all the scumbag things you, as in Wargaming, have pulled off, and how often their speculation has turned out to be more or less accurate, opposed to the blatant lies or deception we've been fed by you, as in Wargaming, sorry to say, their word has objectively and subjectively more value than yours, seeing how you're employed by the people who make the shitty decisions, and these two are at liberty to say whatever they want. 

 

Let's rewind the clock a few weeks, shall we? Prior to the Captain Skill rework, all the CCs with a brain cell said 'Deadeye is broken'. The Mighty Jingles was the first one to point it out, so that tells you something about how obviously broken it was. You kept insisting that not every BB player will take it and that the rework will encourage diversity in builds. People laughed their asses off at you while Conway and Crysantos struggled to convince people in the release stream that the new Commander skills would bring diversity, and once the rework hit, any BB player worth their salt picked Deadeye. Obviously. Because you hamstring yourself if you don't. And then flamu speculated that once the grace period of free respeccs was over, you'd change the skill. And lo and behold, that's exactly what happened, and when he pointed it out, you 'fired' him.

 

So I hope you understand why your credibility at this point is about to hit 0. 

 

I'd like to point out that you, personally, are not to blame here. You're just relaying the info you get. 

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

8 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

How can you know that for sure? While they are just in testing? You have some data from the testing already, to base your opinion on them?

Because I have eyes, a brain, and a decent understanding of how this game works, and because you've put all relevant data on the internet for everyone to see. In their current state, the ships are trash. And the excuse of 'either hydro or smoke' is really pointless when, at the same time, you present a ship that has both, which, surprise surprise, is a premium. 

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

25 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Those Axis vs. Allies battles are not WW2 battles. We never said that. Those are battles with built and historical ships.

With radars, we know, that just one side have those and it will be interesting to see the results of those battles. I played two so far, and we managed to win with Axis side against 4 radar ships. Of course it will very depend on players skill and possibilities to cooperate.

Then why name them after the two major coalitions that fought WW2, with ships that served in WW2? And why does the devblog say 'inspired by real-world naval battles'? (of course, feel free to point me to the WW1 or post-WW2 naval battles that these ships fought.) And why are the ships divided into teams according to their historical loyalty? Come on, man. Try harder. If the criteria had been 'ships that existed' you could allow for mixed teams. But then it cannot be called Axis vs. Allies, can it? 

 

Also, two games is a rather limited sample size, wouldn't you agree? Surely you're not going to try the 'I tried and it didn't happen so it's ok' argument, arent' you?