Pommern Build?

[Curesto]

Hi, i've bought Pommern, i need some advice to pick the right upgrade for Pommern.

 

I'm only playing Co-op.

[Communist_Loli]

1 hour ago, Curesto said:

Hi, i've bought Pommern, i need some advice to pick the right upgrade for Pommern.

 

I'm only playing Co-op.

You've got everything to make the secondary build work. I personally would've taken pyrotech instead of PM to increase the fire chance on the secondaries which have been gutted by IFHE. 

[Curesto]

After putting Auxiliary Armaments Modification 2, secondaries became machine guns. Pommern has become my favorite ship.

 

[D4TC4]

my choice:

 

 

 

[Communist_Loli]

4 hours ago, D4TC4 said:

my choice:

 

 

 

The lack of IFHE significantly reduces the amount of damage you'll deal against BB's and CA's, just saying. 

[ollonborre]

2 hours ago, Communist_Loli said:

The lack of IFHE significantly reduces the amount of damage you'll deal against BB's and CA's, just saying. 

True that the 105 only pen 26, but the 150 pen 38 mm. So is it worth IFHE to boost up just the 105 mm guns and in return kill your firechance?

 

Then again in a coop only build it is probably worth due to increased brawling.

[geschlittert]

8 minutes ago, ollonborre said:

True that the 105 only pen 26, but the 150 pen 38 mm. So is it worth IFHE to boost up just the 105 mm guns and in return kill your firechance?

 

Then again in a coop only build it is probably worth due to increased brawling.

i mean, when looking on the firerate you will see that most shells coming out are 105s. SO i think its worth it (especially in coop)

[hellhound666]

2 hours ago, Communist_Loli said:

The lack of IFHE significantly reduces the amount of damage you'll deal against BB's and CA's, just saying. 

so instead of 10k dmg you do 15k dmg with your secondaries ...

[Communist_Loli]

35 minutes ago, ollonborre said:

True that the 105 only pen 26, but the 150 pen 38 mm. So is it worth IFHE to boost up just the 105 mm guns and in return kill your firechance?

 

Then again in a coop only build it is probably worth due to increased brawling.

German fire chance is already so pitiful so ur not losing much when taking IFHE. I still get fires regularly since I also take pyro+flags. The increased damage output is very noticeable. That and keep in mind that fires are 100% healable while the latter sticks better. 

[Cirno9999]

using this mostly , never took deadeye because i think skill ist tupid and gets reworked anyways soon

 

last 4 points i plan on spending in ermergency repair expert

btw nice amount of flags loli ^^

[DFens_666]

2 hours ago, hellhound666 said:

so instead of 10k dmg you do 15k dmg with your secondaries ...

 

Its way more than that.

The smaller guns shoot more than twice as fast than the big guns, while dealing 66% of their damage. And they are also more numerous.

Pommern has 12x 150mm guns and 16x 105mm guns, but they shoot twice as fast so its like having 32 of those (even a bit more). Roughly speaking, for 1 larger caliber secondary shell, you have 3 smaller caliber shells hitting the target. 1 Big shell deals 561 damage, 3 small ones 1200. So if all of them pen, you CAN get a damage increase of 68%. Since obviously shells do hit the superstructure which they would pen anyway, the smaller shells would still deal damage.

But when the target is bow on, you will hit more shells on the bow aswell, and ships that have 27-32mm armor on the midsection will also receive more damage when being broadside.

 

Ive had good experience with IFHE in Ranked with Pommern.

[hellhound666]

48 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Its way more than that.

The smaller guns shoot more than twice as fast than the big guns, while dealing 66% of their damage. And they are also more numerous.

Pommern has 12x 150mm guns and 16x 105mm guns, but they shoot twice as fast so its like having 32 of those (even a bit more). Roughly speaking, for 1 larger caliber secondary shell, you have 3 smaller caliber shells hitting the target. 1 Big shell deals 561 damage, 3 small ones 1200. So if all of them pen, you CAN get a damage increase of 68%. Since obviously shells do hit the superstructure which they would pen anyway, the smaller shells would still deal damage.

But when the target is bow on, you will hit more shells on the bow aswell, and ships that have 27-32mm armor on the midsection will also receive more damage when being broadside.

 

Ive had good experience with IFHE in Ranked with Pommern.

i doubt but i dont care that much to test ... and how much is this "way more"

[DFens_666]

32 minutes ago, hellhound666 said:

and how much is this "way more"

 

Well mostly depends how the ship is angled. And what kinda upper belt armor it has. F.e. a broadside US BB, the higher pen from the smaller guns will probably not result in more damage at all, or only very little if they hit the bow/stern. But a broadside french BB with 32mm armor - should give much better results.

[Lordcrafty]

why not just go all in?

[Communist_Loli]

41 minutes ago, hellhound666 said:

i doubt but i dont care that much to test ... and how much is this "way more"

I'm sure there are side-by-side comparisons between the two detailed in a video somewhere. Go search for it if you want. 

[Communist_Loli]

8 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Well mostly depends how the ship is angled. And what kinda upper belt armor it has. F.e. a broadside US BB, the higher pen from the smaller guns will probably not result in more damage at all, or only very little if they hit the bow/stern. But a broadside french BB with 32mm armor - should give much better results.

The broadside of T9 American BB"s are pretty easy to pen given that it's all 32/38mm. Montana/Ohio is a different story tho. 

[DFens_666]

3 minutes ago, Communist_Loli said:

The broadside of T9 American BB"s are pretty easy to pen given that it's all 32/38mm. Montana/Ohio is a different story tho. 

 

I wanted to say, they are the same, then i realized, Monty doesnt have the 38mm bulges. But that doesnt actually matter. If you hit the torpedo bulges, it will shatter because behind that is the thick belt armor. Back in the day, those always resulted in 0 damage pens, luckily WG changed that to give a better feedback.

[hellhound666]

1 hour ago, Communist_Loli said:

I'm sure there are side-by-side comparisons between the two detailed in a video somewhere. Go search for it if you want. 

as i said i dont care ...

i does not sound plausible considering current secondary accuracy but if you say so ... - you can waste 2 points to ifhe ...

unless you have smthg more than "way more"

btw 15k instead of 10k is also way more - 50% more to be exact

[Communist_Loli]

1 hour ago, hellhound666 said:

as i said i dont care ...

i does not sound plausible considering current secondary accuracy but if you say so ... - you can waste 2 points to ifhe ...

unless you have smthg more than "way more"

btw 15k instead of 10k is also way more - 50% more to be exact

I know you don't, it was obvious from the first comment you made on this thread that you're already set on your views. Hence why I didn't bother arguing my point with you as @DFens_666 has done. 

My only intention was to let you know that there are already tests done on the subject should you one day want to know and check it out.

 

 

[RemiJoel]

How would you favour this build then?Basics of the survivability might be a good option.

Or the only other thing I might change is to get the Consumable Enhancements/Ship Consumables Mod 1/Hydroacoustic Search Mod 1 for getting almost tree minutes or Sonar.

Emergency Repair Specialist is cool,but four points is quite a lot i think.

[Redcap375]

On 3/22/2021 at 12:05 PM, Lordcrafty said:

why not just go all in?

 

This. 

 

Same captain skills as mine and yes, I'm wrecking face with it. 

 

IFHE is a must IMHO and when you have pyro and 2 sets of fire flags, you bring that RNG fire back up to decent levels.

 

Considering your spitting out secondries all over the place Its not hard to set a fire. 

 

[Trench4nt]

Vor 1 Stunde, Redcap375 sagte:

 

This. 

 

Same captain skills as mine and yes, I'm wrecking face with it. 

 

IFHE is a must IMHO and when you have pyro and 2 sets of fire flags, you bring that RNG fire back up to decent levels.

 

Considering your spitting out secondries all over the place Its not hard to set a fire. 

 

 

Well, the question is if you also want to use the captain on GK (or Hannover). 

[Hades_warrior]

On 3/20/2021 at 1:49 PM, Curesto said:

Hi, i've bought Pommern, i need some advice to pick the right upgrade for Pommern.

 

I'm only playing Co-op.

 

For Co op, you dont need a build. Heck, you dont even need a captain 

[Redcap375]

5 hours ago, Trench4nt said:

 

Well, the question is if you also want to use the captain on GK (or Hannover). 

 

I do it for ease. 

 

I also use the legendary mod too for extra luz on the GK and premium German captain. 

 

But you have to play smart in randoms and time when you push else you will burn to death.

[totally_potato]

On 3/20/2021 at 6:19 PM, Curesto said:

Hi, i've bought Pommern, i need some advice to pick the right upgrade for Pommern.

 

I'm only playing Co-op.

 

My german BB build 

It works splendidly on Pommern. Concept is, buff the secondaries, and then focus on improving the base ship like reload rudder, conceal, and give it as much tankiness as you can. 

I could have taken PM but oh well.

 

Imagine if tankiness could be only of 10 points. ERS in tier 1 with maybe a 5% buff. BoS in tier 2 with PM mixed into it. ERE in tier 3 (extra heal basically) and FP in tier 4