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The italian heavy cruiser RN Bolzano was a heavy cruiser built in the early 1930's by ansaldo, was the last ship of the Trento class, and had a lot of things in common with the newer Zara class. The cruiser had a displacement of around 10.000 t, and could reach a speed of up to 36 knots, and the armor layout was very similar to the one of the trento. The armament of the ship consisted of:

-4x2 203/53mm Ansaldo modello 1929

-8x2 100/47mm OTO modello 1928

-4x1 40/39mm Vickers-Terni

-4x2 13.2mm Breda modello 1931

-4x1 12.7mm

-4x2 533mm torpedo tubes

HULL B (improved AA):

-4x2 203/53mm Ansaldo modello 1929

-6x2 100/47mm OTO modello 1928

-8x1 mitragliere da 37/54mm

-8x2 13.2mm Breda modello 1931

The ship toke part in many battles during the second world war, and was torpedoed 2 times by british submarines, and survived both times. Because of this I would give the ship a very high anti-torpedo protection, and a repair party consumable, together with the emergency engine power and spotter aircraft/fighter typical of italian cruisers, and like the Duca degli Abruzzi, the Bolzano can use HE shells for her primary armament. The ship can be placed at tier VII in the tech three as a premium ship. The ship features would be a very high speed and maneuvrability together with a very powerfull armament, and a decently high survivability thanks to the high anti-torpedo protection and the repair party. Essentially a faster Trento with Zara's guns, a 22% torpedo protection (Zara has 19%) and a repair party consumable.

2653 x 1729] RN Bolzano, the last heavy cruiser of the Regia Marina :  WarshipPorn

BENEFITS OF BOLZANO:

-high speed

-good maneuverability

-decent firing range

-good anti-torpedo protection

-repair party consumable

-premium ship rewards

 

DOWNSIDES OF BOLZANO:

-thin armor

-long main battery reload time (14.5s) compared to other cruisers 

-low concealment

-bad AA

-no radar or Hydroacoustic search consumables

(Sorry, my english might not be the best)

 

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HE shells instead of SAP, and changes to the consumables+HULL B
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"The ship features would be a very high speed and maneuvrability together with a very powerfull armament, and a decently high survivability thanks to the high anti-torpedo protection and the repair party."

 

Maybe the deathstar's doom ray weapon with a 2 min cooldown too ?

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Vor 3 Minuten, EnacheV sagte:

"The ship features would be a very high speed and maneuvrability together with a very powerfull armament, and a decently high survivability thanks to the high anti-torpedo protection and the repair party."

Sounds like a Russian ship to me. Especially the "would".

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It's worth saying that the Bolzano is *very* lightly armoured, and so her best place is probably as "CA Lazo/Shchors",  in an area control role. Traditional HE rather than SAP, 16.5k+ range with spotter, using her speed and exhaust smoke to get good/safe positions and strong Italian torpedo armament (4 x 2 launchers, 12k range, low damage but fast reload) to discourage pushes. 

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27 minuti fa, invicta2012 ha scritto:

It's worth saying that the Bolzano is *very* lightly armoured, 

It has the same armor as Trento, so yes, you can't rely on it, but you have speed/maneuverability and a decent HP (around that of Trento B 34.500)  and guns are a bit bigger than Lazo's and Shchors's ones, with a longer reload time.

 

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No, there is no way she has standard RM CA consumables set AND RP AND torps, just no unless you want her in T9...

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1 minute ago, Yedwy said:

No, there is no way she has standard RM CA consumables set AND RP AND torps, just no unless you want her in T9...

 

Why not??? WG are bringing a new overpowered US BB to the table... 10KM Radar, torps, great powerful American dispersion main battery and High speed.. why not let Italy have at least 1 ship that isn't a chore to sail??? After the Leone... I think Italy needs one gold egg!

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1 minute ago, Mari0_Rossi said:

Why not??? WG are bringing a new overpowered US BB to the table... 10KM Radar, torps, great powerful American dispersion main battery and High speed.. why not let Italy have at least 1 ship that isn't a chore to sail??? After the Leone... I think Italy needs one gold egg!

Because it would be completely broken?

Just now, capt_and said:

All italian ships have torps (beside BB of course)

No, Gorizia doesnt

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10 minutes ago, Mari0_Rossi said:

Why not??? WG are bringing a new overpowered US BB to the table... 10KM Radar, torps, great powerful American dispersion main battery and High speed..

 

Those are just initial stats, lot of things could and probably will change. Sure it might end OP in the end but it also might not. Still adding another OP ship in the just because this or that nation has one is never a good thing.

 

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why not let Italy have at least 1 ship that isn't a chore to sail??? After the Leone... I think Italy needs one gold egg!

 

How about ... Giulio Cesare? One of those ultimate OP ships. Also so far Napoli doesn't look bad.

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2 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Because it would be completely broken?

 

So it's fine for the following Nations to have broken ships?? just not Italy to have something competitive? 

Britain - Thunderer, Daring
Russia / Soviets *Insert Premium ship of choice* or the massively Famous Naval Legends Soviet Paper napkin ships drawn in secret Kremlin bar after evening of Bodka... ** Funny as most of the Russian ships are based from bought Pre War Italian plans ;) **
USA - FDR, Enterprise, Somers, Benham, Massa etc etc
Germany - Low tier Seal clubbing T61, *For Brawls * Graf Zeppelin, Tirpitz, Prinz Eugene..... 

PAN European - Smaaland
PAN Asian - Yo Lang
IJN - Atago is always listed as one of the best Cruisers in game - Seal Clubbing old Minikaze... Fujiun, Kamikaze 
Italy.... lol.... 

 

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4 minutes ago, Mari0_Rossi said:

So it's fine for the following Nations to have broken ships?? just not Italy to have something competitive? 

I see so if a broken OP premium exists for one navy Italy should have one as well? Btw ever heard of Giulio Caesare? No?

 

https://wows-numbers.com/ship/3765384944,Giulio-Cesare/

 

Btw as @fumtu said if Napoli  comes out even vaguely close to the basic stats they published she will be a monster...

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2 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

Those are just initial stats, lot of things could and probably will change. Sure it might end OP in the end but it also might not. Still adding another OP ship in the just because this or that nation has one is never a good thing.

 

Say that to the FDR, broken ship released and never fixed .... You telling me they will nerf bat it??? :cap_horn:"Spreadsheet say's no"
 

 

3 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

How about ... Giulio Cesare? One of those ultimate OP ships. Also so far Napoli doesn't look bad.

 

Direct me to the page where fans can get this glorious ship? You had to gamble for years to get it *Despite being a fan of Italian ships* I never had the chance to get it... but again... Christmas Loot boxes are well.. a sore subject 

All the ships I've listed have only recently been removed... or are still purchasable..

The Italian BB's needed Deadeye to be effect hence WG have the accuracy made for this guy 

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We know that Deadeye is getting removed to be reworked... but still... Lets have more OPED US and Soviet Napkin ships :)

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8 minutes ago, capt_and said:

All italian ships have torps (beside BB of course)

Gorizia also has none, but gets improved Hydro instead.

 

 

4 hours ago, EnacheV said:

"The ship features would be a very high speed and maneuvrability together with a very powerfull armament, and a decently high survivability thanks to the high anti-torpedo protection and the repair party."

 

Maybe the deathstar's doom ray weapon with a 2 min cooldown too ?

That´s reserved for fantasy-BBs like Georgia.  A historic cruiser has to be limited in-game.

 

 

4 hours ago, capt_and said:

Because of this I would give the ship

- a very high anti-torpedo protection (22% is barely a selling point but ok)

- a repair party consumable (reasonable)

- standard exhaust smoke generator (hmmm, ok)

- spotter aircraft typical of italian cruisers (hmmm, ok)

A wide array of tools (or gimmicks) is generally welcomed by WG these days, and compared to ships like Belfast, Perth or some high-tiers it still seems "conservative". Sooo why not.

Overall I like your suggestion captain!

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Just now, Mari0_Rossi said:

Direct me to the page where fans can get this glorious ship?

Please direct us to place where the fans can get any of these - Thunderer,  Enterprise, Somers, Benham, Massa, Smaaland, Fujiun, Kamikaze ?

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Just now, Yedwy said:

Please direct us to place where the fans can get any of these - Thunderer,  Enterprise, Somers, Benham, Massa, Smaaland, Fujiun, Kamikaze ?

 

4 minutes ago, Mari0_Rossi said:

All the ships I've listed have only recently been removed... or are still purchasable..

Maybe I should write my replies to you in capital bold letters?

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Just now, Mari0_Rossi said:

Maybe I should write my replies to you in capital bold letters?

Maybe you should realize they are removed, hence a guy starting to play today CANNOT GET THEM, ok?

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2 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Please direct us to place where the fans can get any of these - Thunderer,  Enterprise, Somers, Benham, Massa, Smaaland, Fujiun, Kamikaze ?

 

4 minutes ago, VIadoCro said:

Gorizia also has none, but gets improved Hydro instead.

 

 

That´s reserved for fantasy-BBs like Georgia.  A historic cruiser has to be limited in-game.

 

 

A wide array of tools (or gimmicks) is generally welcomed by WG these days, and compared to ships like Belfast, Perth or some high-tiers it still seems "conservative". Sooo why not.

Overall I like your suggestion captain!

Sadly, a lot of historical ship have been pulled from the shop instead of fixing them. But I see that WG makes more money through loot gambling than they would selling the ships all year round.. but I heard that even the Giulio Cesare is now never coming even in Gambling boxes? 

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1 minute ago, Yedwy said:

Maybe you should realize they are removed, hence a guy starting to play today CANNOT GET THEM, ok?

Buy a few Gambling Boxes for your requested ships then ;) But I'm done arguing with you... You hate the Italian ships... you've contributed nothing but REEEE Have a good day :)

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DOWNSIDES OF BOLZANO:

-thin armor

-long main battery reload time 

-low concealment

-bad AA

-no radar or Hydroacoustic search consumables

-no fighter consumable

 

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2 minutes ago, Mari0_Rossi said:

Buy a few Gambling Boxes for your requested ships then ;) But I'm done arguing with you... You hate the Italian ships... you've contributed nothing but REEEE Have a good day :)

Hey, you're the one that considers tirpitz, eugen and a lot of soviet ships OP. Talk about not contributing.

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Just now, SV_Kompresor said:

Hey, you're the one that considers tirpitz, eugen and a lot of soviet ships OP. Talk about not contributing.

Let's see the Spreadsheets of ship classes used during Brawls ;) @MrConway 

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Just now, Mari0_Rossi said:

Buy a few Gambling Boxes for your requested ships then ;) But I'm done arguing with you... You hate the Italian ships... you've contributed nothing but REEEE Have a good day :)

Riight, that must be why I have every single RM ship in game right?

 

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1 minute ago, Mari0_Rossi said:

Let's see the Spreadsheets of ship classes used during Brawls ;) @MrConway 

Le fantesque I'd imagine is quite popular.

 

Also, you use 1 vs 1 point blank brawls as tool for determining OPness? Kek. Well, there went the last bit of credibility you had.

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