More carbon copy premiums incoming.

[The_Chiv]

So today we got a wealth of info from the WOWS Dev blog. New ports, Skins, Ships, and an interesting piece of information that seems like a good thing, but could also be an indication of some other things.

 

 

on the surface this sounds great right. Well. Each ship has 4 modules. Guns, hull, range finder, engine. If Wg is removing some of these modules upgrade without rebalancing the remaining module this will be a bit rough. In some cases this can be down right horrible. NC hull b gives 12k hp, reduces rudder shift by 25%, and increases aa by 17%. This represents a pretty substantial nerf to 21 ships. Now you are probably thinking no WAY WG would do this right? WRONG. WG has learned a few lessons from the players buying habbits. Players are less likely to buy an inferior stat ship or one that has match stat to a researchable line unless it has something pretty amazing. So if WG wanted to introduce say The South Dakota into the game they are left with a few paths. Make it better stated, or give it a cool gimmick. Well Alabama got the AA, Mass got the secondary's, NC has the accuracy, leaving not much for a possible South Dakota. Solution remove the HULL B from NC and then Stat the the South Dakota off hull b of the NC and then maybe buff up a little hull A. This opens up avenues for more premium ships for wargaming. 21 Fresh Carbon copies of ships we already have.

 

Now I know what you are thinking. "There is no way this could work." "I would never buy them". Hate to shatter your reality but WG doesn't care about you, me, or any veteran of the game. As we have seen WG has been rather dismissive to its community concerns about the path they are taking in regards to content, balancing, and enjoyment. One could say the biggest problem WG has had to their plans to increase profits is the community. So why would they do this. Well folks WG like any F2p company knows that Retention is not the most important aspect of a f2p model. New player spending is. Ask yourself this. how much have you spent lately? I made a joke recently in another post about how WG hates losing money to informed consumers. Seems that was a less of a joke and more of a prediction. New players to this game will lack many things, but the one thing they have that WG is banking on is Ignorance. They can not be mad, if they never knew what was.

 

Now while I would love to continue to highlight the nefarious logic WG applies to this game, I would be remiss if I did not provide at least some validation to this effort. There are many great ships that WG has not brought into this game. One of which I have begged for, for some time now. USS Johnston (DD-557). If you don not know the history of this ship then I suggest you google it. The sacrifice the Johnston, Samuel B Roberts, and the Hoel made not only saved 2 escort Carriers but turned the center force that could have easily thwarted the invasion of Leyte gulf. If WG was to brining in the Johnston they could also memorialize Ernest E. Evan as a commander in this game. I mean he is a far cry more deserving then Steven Segal.

 

Now other ships could also be introduced as as well. New Jersey, Indiana, and Suzuya with little in regards to special gimmicks. It would also allow WG to do some more historical fantasy by giving even more surface ships to the Russian navy and other navies with again little no actually creative effort needed. In short it is recycling content in order to make more money.

 

While I can find some value in this concept, I can not ignore the pretty basic fact that this will effectively be a nerf in terms of the individual ships. The only positive argument I can make about this nerf is that as a player you will not have to suffer it to long as you will no longer have to spend as much time grinding for that module and will be able to move on to the next ship in the line. While grinding to 10 is always the main goal one should not forget about ranked play or operations. These two modes will greatly be effected if Wg takes a no rebalancing of module a variants while removing B. 

 

WG has literally found a way to sell the same ship twice. 

[MementoMori_6030]

I see a lot of credit refunds incoming. They won't steal those modules, won't they?

[hellhound666]

3 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

I see a lot of credit refunds incoming. They won't steal those modules, won't they?

how dare you even think that ...

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 1 Minute, hellhound666 sagte:

how dare you even think that ...

Fortunately, I have only 3 ships on that list, and all on different accounts. Risk distribution is risk minimalization.

[Odo_Toothless]

I don't understand, those removed modules will affect fully researchable ship or not ? This is a new idea of nerfing ships or just less grind ?

[Deckeru_Maiku]

13 minutes ago, The_Chiv said:

While grinding to 10 is always the main goal

Uhm...

nope..

I rather have a little bit of fun in the game instead of having to go through the campfest meta of T10

[lafeel]

Either I am blind or this hasn't actually been posted to the dev blog yet..

[MementoMori_6030]

Gerade eben, Odo_Toothless sagte:

I don't understand, those removed modules will affect fully researchable ship or not ? This is a new idea of nerfing ships ?

Iirc they mumbled something like "will make tech tree progress easier/faster", but we know that the majority of imbeciles is already progressing much to fast anyway. So yes, it sounds like the preparation to make the A hulls available as premiums 1 tier lower, as usual. 

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 1 Minute, lafeel sagte:

Either I am blind or this hasn't actually been posted to the dev blog yet..

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/130

 

Scroll to the bottom, where it's hidden (without any malicious intent, of course).

[DFens_666]

I thought that means that they remove the B or C hull and combine them into one? Havent they done this before?

If you look at the older lines, they used to have upgrades on guns, hull, range and propulsion. New lines often only have 2 upgrades, thus making old lines inferior considering amount of grind or freeXP to have them fully upgraded.

[The_Chiv]

3 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

Uhm...

nope..

I rather have a little bit of fun in the game instead of having to go through the campfest meta of T10

And is everyone like you?

[lafeel]

2 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/130

 

Scroll to the bottom, where it's hidden (without any malicious intent, of course).

Guess I am blind then, completely missed that..

 

Based off past expirience they will probably refund the modules in the form of extra xp on the ship(s) in question, thats how they handled it before.

[The_Chiv]

2 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

I thought that means that they remove the B or C hull and combine them into one? Havent they done this before?

If you look at the older lines, they used to have upgrades on guns, hull, range and propulsion. New lines often only have 2 upgrades, thus making old lines inferior considering amount of grind or freeXP to have them fully upgraded.

Yeah they did some of that like 1 year after launch. In alpha I remember multiple gun upgrades, FC, engines. Going from 1 to 10 then was an actual grind.

[Prophecy82]

If they remove the 155´s from Mogami, I will burn their bank in Cyprus down!

[Odo_Toothless]

They should make A hull for silver, B for gold. Both on the same tier. With info: grinding time of all ships vastly reduced ;-). That is an idea !

[Deckeru_Maiku]

5 minutes ago, The_Chiv said:

And is everyone like you?

Nope.. but at the same time not everyone sees the Big 10 as the main goal in life, so your statement was a wee bit to global for my taste

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, The_Chiv said:

Yeah they did some of that like 1 year after launch. In alpha I remember multiple gun upgrades, FC, engines. Going from 1 to 10 then was an actual grind.

 

They also removed C-Hulls from US DDs (the AA hulls) some time ago? Mahan, Farragut, they used to have C-hulls, and we only have B-Hulls now.

 

Here is what i think will happen:

23 minutes ago, The_Chiv said:

 

Removal of:

Mogami C-hull

König C-Hull

Ryujo C-hull

Furu C-Hull

Myoko C-hull

Izumo C-hull

Iowa C-hull

OMaha C-hull

Emile bertin <-- no idea here, it only has 2 upgrades? Can only be gun range tho...

New York, New mex, Colorado <-- no idea either, maybe propulsion?

NC <-- same as above

Bayern <-- same as above

Minsk <-- id guess torps

Kiev <-- no idea, probably torps? I hope they dont nerf the torps to 4km...

Ognevoi <-- id guess gun upgrade

Tashkent <-- same as Ognevoi, guns probably

Udaloi <-- i think torps

Fletcher <--  torps too i think

[MementoMori_6030]

Gerade eben, DFens_666 sagte:

Kiev <-- no idea, probably torps? I hope they dont nerf the torps to 4km...

How could they nerf a Russian ship? They will remove the 4km ones and extend the range of the 8km ones to 12km!

[lafeel]

Was thinking along the same lines @DFens_666 Also, should be noted that even if they do make premium ships out of the hulls in question nobody is forcing you all to buy them.

[BruceRKF]

13 minutes ago, Prophecy82 said:

If they remove the 155´s from Mogami, I will burn their bank in Cyprus down!

That is actually a scary possibility. I am with you there. Defintely gonna have the pitchfork and torches ready. However, I can also imagine that they will get rid of the B hull (Mogami has three hulls, as have Myoko, Iowa, Izumo, König, Furutaka from the top of my head. All the BBs might also lose the engine upgrades. I can also imagine that cruisers will have the range upgrade as stock, as Myoko has had forever and some of the DDs might lose their stock torpedoes.

Edit: DFens_666 basically already said it all.

Since Ognevoi is one of my favourite tier 8s, some thought about her: She would almost completely lose her historical configuration if they remove the stock hull and guns. She never had the upgraded guns or quintuple torpedo launchers. So, there is certainly a possibility for her to come back as a premium on lower tiers. Remember that she originally was tier 6!

[JohnMac79]

18 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

Iirc they mumbled something like "will make tech tree progress easier/faster"

Just what the game needs... more 400 game accounts sailing around in T10s. GG WG...

[BruceRKF]

8 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

They also removed C-Hulls from US DDs (the AA hulls) some time ago? Mahan, Farragut, they used to have C-hulls, and we only have B-Hulls now.

 

Here is what i think will happen:

Removal of:

Mogami C-hull

König C-Hull

Ryujo C-hull

Furu C-Hull

Myoko C-hull

Izumo C-hull

Iowa C-hull

OMaha C-hull

Emile bertin <-- no idea here, it only has 2 upgrades? Can only be gun range tho...

New York, New mex, Colorado <-- no idea either, maybe propulsion?

NC <-- same as above

Bayern <-- same as above

Minsk <-- id guess torps

Kiev <-- no idea, probably torps? I hope they dont nerf the torps to 4km...

Ognevoi <-- id guess gun upgrade

Tashkent <-- same as Ognevoi, guns probably

Udaloi <-- i think torps

Fletcher <--  torps too i think

I think you are mostly right. However I think it is more likely that they all will lose the A or B hull, not the C hull ;)

[lafeel]

2 minutes ago, BruceRKF said:

I think you are mostly right. However I think it is more likely that they all will lose the A or B hull, not the C hull ;)

Technically that would be removing the C hull by making the C hull now the B hull..

[RenamedUser_92906789]

There are only a few ships where you wanna consider keeping B hull (Farragut comes in mind). Wonder how they will combine those...

[lafeel]

2 minutes ago, nambr9 said:

There are only a few ships where you wanna consider keeping B hull (Farragut comes in mind). Wonder how they will combine those...

Let me remind you that there's no C-hull on the Farragut any more, and you definetly do want the B hull in that case as it gives you extra HP.