So AA does not work???

[_HMS_RICHY]

It appears that it does as the picture below proves. Sure the AA is no where near perfect but some ships work way better than others. If you hate cv's  then I suggest players use ships with better AA it does help. Cause cv's are here to stay. And yes this was clan brawls 1 v 1 with no AA flag or def fire.

[lovelacebeer]

@_HMS_RICHY Just a suggestion but it might be wise to hide the other players name fully, to avoid this thread appearing more like a name and shame of the enemy CV player’s abilities. 

[_HMS_RICHY]

But that's not the topic is it really. I am not shaming the guy.

 

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, _HMS_RICHY said:

But that's not the topic is it really. I am not shaming the guy.

 

You are...

[Nov_A]

7 minutes ago, _HMS_RICHY said:

But that's not the topic is it really. I am not shaming the guy.

 

Maybe not on purpose, but the guy has 4 CV games overall after 2.6k games. Pretty sure he knows little to nothing about reducing losses and it was probably not thanks to your glorious AA handling that he lost.

[Pandafaust]

10 minutes ago, _HMS_RICHY said:

But that's not the topic is it really. I am not shaming the guy.

 

Effectively, you are - to lose that many planes in a 1v1 situation means eating several large helpings of yummy flak clouds.  The other guy's a good surface ships player, but doesn't play CVs and presumably doesn't know how they work.

[_HMS_RICHY]

But people say AA does not work that as a cv player you can roll your head over a keyboard and win. Plus lots of other things like that.

[Pandafaust]

2 minutes ago, _HMS_RICHY said:

But people say AA does not work that as a cv player you can roll your head over a keyboard and win. Plus lots of other things like that.

People exaggerate, that's hardly a new phenomenon.  Very few people dispute the fact that AA applies damage to planes, the complaint is more usually along the lines that it doesn't do sufficient damage to be useful.

[Asashio_Kai_Nii]

4 minutes ago, Pandafaust said:

People exaggerate, that's hardly a new phenomenon.  Very few people dispute the fact that AA applies damage to planes, the complaint is more usually along the lines that it doesn't do sufficient damage to be useful.

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[Tanaka_15]

9 minutes ago, _HMS_RICHY said:

But people say AA does not work that as a cv player you can roll your head over a keyboard and win. Plus lots of other things like that.

And this people are right. AA does not stop cv from spoting for example. I win a few 1 vs 1 in French dd agiainst a CVs, does it mean French dds are great agiainst cvs? you see.. 

[Uglesett]

11 minutes ago, _HMS_RICHY said:

But people say AA does not work that as a cv player you can roll your head over a keyboard and win.

No they don't. That's a strawman argument.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

11 minutes ago, _HMS_RICHY said:

But people say AA does not work that as a cv player you can roll your head over a keyboard and win. Plus lots of other things like that.

It's not "great AA" that kills planes - it's potatoes playing CVs and the nice "catch all of the little black clouds" that makes it look as if some ships have great AA

[_HMS_RICHY]

Never said the AA on the Prince was great but it is pretty ok. In 1 v 1 clan brawls a cv doesn't really bother me. I can deal with most of them unless I make a mistake. The problem is people want to press the priority sector button and evaporate all the planes this would then in turn make cv's useless.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

1 hour ago, _HMS_RICHY said:

It appears that it does as the picture below proves. Sure the AA is no where near perfect but some ships work way better than others. If you hate cv's  then I suggest players use ships with better AA it does help. Cause cv's are here to stay. And yes this was clan brawls 1 v 1 with no AA flag or def fire.

Like bragging about the Des Moines killing a yoloing DD at 7 km that keeps running at fullspeed while using smoke in a 1vs1. You 'proved' AA does damage to bad players. We already knew that. You just bragged about an automated system as if you were skillfully countering a worthy opponent. Nice.

[_HMS_RICHY]

Or like I stated AA works is this so hard for you to understand?.

 

[UnderDuress]

14 minutes ago, _HMS_RICHY said:

The problem is people want to press the priority sector button and evaporate all the planes this would then in turn make cv's useless.

No, no. The problem is people (all of them) actually want the priority sector button to immediately set the CV players’ trousers on fire (honest, I just typed it out so it must be true). It’s a sad state of affairs and just shows how unreasonable people are.

[HystericalAccuracy]

56 minutes ago, _HMS_RICHY said:

If you hate cv's  then I suggest players use ships with better AA it does help.

And what would you suggest to the new players which have to grind up the lines?

"Just don´t play the T3 without AA, buy dubloons, convert XP and jump to up to mid-tiers"

"Oh, you get wrecked by T8 CVs while grinding T6?"

"Just don´t play the T6 with weak AA, buy a t9 premium"

 

Sounds like a "plan" WG would suggest. Apparently the clueless players with 200 battles in total buying T9 prems did it right then.

[_HMS_RICHY]

13 minutes ago, Europizza said:

Like bragging about the Des Moines killing a yoloing DD at 7 km that keeps running at fullspeed while using smoke in a 1vs1. You 'proved' AA does damage to bad players. We already knew that. You just bragged about an automated system as if you were skillfully countering a worthy opponent. Nice.

So come and bring your op Enterprise and show me how it's done. I'm sure you should win but let's see how many planes I can take out so come prove your point, then you can post your screenshot of your glorious win. I'm up for it are you?.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

3 minutes ago, _HMS_RICHY said:

Or like I stated AA works is this so hard for you to understand?.

 

It is hard to understand for me to comprehend why someone would feel the need to make a post telling the world a specific feature is technically  functional.

[_HMS_RICHY]

5 minutes ago, VIadoCro said:

And what would you suggest to the new players which have to grind up the lines?

"Just don´t play the T3 without AA, buy dubloons, convert XP and jump to up to mid-tiers"

"Oh, you get wrecked by T8 CVs while grinding T6?"

"Just don´t play the T6 with weak AA, buy a t9 premium"

 

Sounds like a "plan" WG would suggest. Apparently the clueless players with 200 battles in total buying T9 prems did it right then.

I suggest they get gud.

[El2aZeR]

11 minutes ago, _HMS_RICHY said:

Or like I stated AA works is this so hard for you to understand?.

 

Is it so hard for you to understand that AA effectiveness depends almost solely on the skill of the CV player and is as such in fact completely worthless if the enemy CV is skilled?

[Tanaka_15]

6 minutes ago, _HMS_RICHY said:

I'm sure you should win but let's see how many planes I can take out so come prove your point

You do know, that shooting down planes does not affect the effectivity of a CV? It is like shells that miss your ship deoes not affect the amount of shells in next salvo? 

[Peroidas]

23 minutes ago, _HMS_RICHY said:

But people say AA does not work that as a cv player you can roll your head over a keyboard and win. Plus lots of other things like that.

People hate CVs because they can't fight back enemy ship. That's the main reason of resentment against CVs. The other is obviously game impact through spotting, that can often break other player games, especially while playing ships which play style require stealth and ambushes. Also island campers hate that they can be hit in supposedly safe position. 

Actual DMG output is not great - at TVIII cv torpedoes deal roughly 1/3 of DD/cruiser torpedoes, HE bombs about 2000 per hit (Lex drops 6, of those generally 1-2 hit) AP bombs do 6k, but you need to hit citadel, if not, you get less than 1k and rarely more than 1 hit.

 

So unless you fight super unicum in OP carrier like Enterprise or especially FDR you will see the AA actually killing a lot of planes. Some ships, like US CLs can actually kill even the first strike.

 

O the other hand, CVs are brutal at low tiers especially TIV cvs in TIII-TV games where ships often do not have AA at all (0-20-50/s continuous), while plane HP is only about 40-50% less than at TVIII-TX where AA actually kills planes (400-500 continuous before boosts). IMHO TIV cvs should be removed from the game and AA of ships at TV-TVI that can encounter TVI cvs should be artificially enhanced  

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

7 minutes ago, _HMS_RICHY said:

So come and bring your op Enterprise and show me how it's done. I'm sure you should win but let's see how many planes I can take out so come prove your point, then you can post your screenshot of your glorious win. I'm up for it are you?.

This is still a personal glorification thread isnt it? Bragging about an automation. Why dont you ask @El2aZeR overhere to help you out?

[Uglesett]

15 minutes ago, _HMS_RICHY said:

So come and bring your op Enterprise and show me how it's done. I'm sure you should win but let's see how many planes I can take out so come prove your point, then you can post your screenshot of your glorious win. I'm up for it are you?.

That's a bit like saying "I'm sure you would win, but let's see how many shells you would need to fire".

 

Except shells can actually be dodged, of course. AA is just... up to the CV player.