Unpopular opinion about F.D.R

[leonport]

FDR is not overpowered as people claim it is.

Have you looked on wows numbers recently? Because i have and it will supprise you but fdr is actually the worst performing steel ship based on winrate and average damage.

FDR have 53.08% winrate and 103 080 dmg/game now compare that to shikishima a steel ship similar in price and called balanced,worse than yamato has 55.44% winrate and average damage of 108 887.Whats the excuse for this "overpowered" ship to perform worse than a balanced ship that is locked behind the same steel wall? FDR owners are probably the most competetive cv players out there and fdr is hard to obtain so a very few people has it and they are very good at the playing cvs and if you gave them the "MOST BROKEN TIER X SHIP" would't it be logical that it has the highest winrate?? Its called by many the most broken CV/ship in the game but it performs worse than all the other steel ships, how is that possible?People alwas say cvs have the most impact on the game but then why does fdr have worse winrate and damage than shikishima a sniper BB?

 

You have to right to hate fdr,yes its annyoing to see your aa shooting down no planes and receiving 20k he,torp salvos but maybe reconsider calling fdr BROKEN,OP because its not the case

 

[El2aZeR]

FDR is broken by virtue of being a CV, however it is not per se overpowered as its potential performance compared to Midway and Haku is mediocre at best.

[Echo_519]

Well, first of all, every single CV in the game is utterly broken and overpowered.

FDR is even more stupidly OP then other Cv's because you don't lose any planes. It does not matter by how many flaks you get hit, you won't lose your planes. 

On top of that, you do take raw damage numbers

What do you think how much damage to DD's does Shikishima do compared to FDR.

Shikishima does very little damage to DD's, while FDR's completely delete several DD's per game, so the relative damage is much higher on FDR then on Shiki....

 

[thisismalacoda]

Vor 20 Minuten, Echo_519 sagte:

Well, first of all, every single CV in the game is utterly broken and overpowered.

FDR is even more stupidly OP then other Cv's because you don't lose any planes. It does not matter by how many flaks you get hit, you won't lose your planes. 

On top of that, you do take raw damage numbers

What do you think how much damage to DD's does Shikishima do compared to FDR.

Shikishima does very little damage to DD's, while FDR's completely delete several DD's per game, so the relative damage is much higher on FDR then on Shiki....

 

Dude, you are a 36% CV and you don't own FDR.

 

Literally everything you posted specifically about the ship is wrong. But have fun eating flak and hunting DDs I guess.  

[leonport]

20 minutes ago, Echo_519 said:

Well, first of all, every single CV in the game is utterly broken and overpowered.

FDR is even more stupidly OP then other Cv's because you don't lose any planes. It does not matter by how many flaks you get hit, you won't lose your planes. 

On top of that, you do take raw damage numbers

What do you think how much damage to DD's does Shikishima do compared to FDR.

Shikishima does very little damage to DD's, while FDR's completely delete several DD's per game, so the relative damage is much higher on FDR then on Shiki....

 

your opinion on cvs being OP in general is a different topic

fdr is the worst cv to hunt dds if you didn't know fdr has very poor anti dd warfare with rocket planes having no fighters and very long arm distance and bombs having very long fall time with poor dispersion, midway is superior to fdr in dd hunting, so dmg that the fdr does comes from farming bbs and brainless cruisers,fdr has less impact on the match in general than shikishima while fdr gets called BROKEN OP by a large margin

[leonport]

3 minutes ago, thisismalacoda said:

Dude, you are a 36% CV and you don't own FDR.

 

Literally everything you posted specifically about the ship is wrong. But have fun eating flak and hunting DDs I guess.  

im 22% to be exact and can you tell me specifically what is wrong with what i posted i hate people like you who doesn't argue just call other people opinion invalid

[geschlittert]

10 minutes ago, leonport said:

im 22% to be exact and can you tell me specifically what is wrong with what i posted i hate people like you who doesn't argue just call other people opinion invalid

(he wasnt responding to you)

[thisismalacoda]

Vor 9 Minuten, leonport sagte:

im 22% to be exact and can you tell me specifically what is wrong with what i posted i hate people like you who doesn't argue just call other people opinion invalid

Hmm?

 

I was not adressing you. I was adressing the luminary who claimed FDR "deletes several DD's per game" and flak wouldn't matter.

[leonport]

Just now, thisismalacoda said:

Hmm?

 

I was not adressing you. I was adressing the luminary who claimed FDR "deletes several DD's per game" and flak wouldn't matter.

oh okay then my bad

[JohnMac79]

FDR can just fly around through full halland def aa and still attack 3 times. It is a ridiculous ship, i dont know about raw damage, but its super trollish, and gets you killed either way.

[Bainsmit_steel]

FDR is trollish CV OP compared to others CV. The biggest game influence potential at least in my opinion has 1.Midway, 2. Haku, 3. MVR, 4-5. Audacious and FDR.

 

FDR hits BBs like truck (but even BBs can mitigate good amount of damage by using well know hax) and can hit sometime not moving CAs hard, DD can be hit only if DD makes mistake or by pure luck (and even then it hits for 1 to 2 bombs which is from 1.5 to 3.5 k usually and that happens every 30 sec...compared to Midway which can do the same or better but in every 10 or so seconds... ).

 

FDRs planes are slow so you can not intervene so fast across battlefield as others CVs can.Also planes are not so resilient as people thinks if you catch flak few times your squad is no more and you have only 1.5 full squads...

 

Also there is somewhat hard counter to FDR (granted by other cv) in the form of MVR build with fighter planes (that build relay works only against FDR from time to time)..

 

FDR is sledge hammer but you can not kill fly (in this case dds) with sledgehammer simply you can not hit it :)...

 

FDR also can be used to farm damage but more often then not farming damage can not win a game. Killing DDs early wins a game 99% of time :)...

 

Only potentially OP thing at FDR is spotting but for that you need to have coordinated team and you do not have that in random...so even that is not an great perk 99% of an time.

 

So yes concur that contrary popular opinion FDR is not OP as people thinks.

[arttuperkunas]

People hate the fdr because it puts the headstone on the grave of counterplay, or because they play high tier bbs and dont enjoy eating zillions of plane torps with no possibility to fight back.

 

this is what I dont understand about you cv mains. How hard is it to get that people hate your class mostly because it’s miserable to play against and ruins other people’s fun, not because it wins games.

[Bainsmit_steel]

3 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

People hate the fdr because it puts the headstone on the grave of counterplay, or because they play high tier bbs and dont enjoy eating zillions of plane torps with no possibility to fight back.

 

this is what I dont understand about you cv mains. How hard is it to get that people hate your class mostly because it’s miserable to play against and ruins other people’s fun, not because it wins games.

And what kind of counter play you have when BBs slap you from 25+ km? Only classes which offers some form of interactions are CAs and DDs...CVs and BBs do not and BBs are the most popular class in game...

[159Hunter]

Because you have simpletons like me playing the ship after an absence of a few months. Plus I have next to no experience in new CVs.

So yeah, I drag down the stats 

 

To our pro CV player stating that FDR doesn't lose planes. Well, I lose planes in FDR 

 

That being said, ship is still OP by virtue of being a CV. 

[arttuperkunas]

23 minutes ago, Bainsmit_steel said:

And what kind of counter play you have when BBs slap you from 25+ km? Only classes which offers some form of interactions are CAs and DDs...CVs and BBs do not and BBs are the most popular class in game...

Vision control by seeking cover, killing spotters or going dark between volleys? Bbs cannot do their own spotting

 

manouevring? At 25 km you have almost no chance of hitting a dd or ca that varies its speed and heading due to shell travel times
 

Your turn, tell me what fdr counterplay is

 

Furthermore, I categorally disagree with your second point as well. All the other classes have meaningful interactions. DDs spot and kill BBs, cruisers kill DDs and provide DPM and radar, BBs kill cruisers and therefore keep friendly DDs alive by keeping cruisers at arm's length. CVs can do essentially all of these tasks without the surface ships, and do not actually need the surface ships as they have no meaningful vulnerability - a CV does not need to be "protected" from anything. By the time a CV hull is in danger, the flank is already overrun and the game is lost. And in any case CV hulls are so fast that the CV could have run away anyway. So there, don't talk to me about "meaningful interactions".

[elblancogringo]

24 minutes ago, Bainsmit_steel said:

And what kind of counter play you have when BBs slap you from 25+ km? Only classes which offers some form of interactions are CAs and DDs...CVs and BBs do not and BBs are the most popular class in game...

Are you really comparing counter play against BBs with counter play against carriers? I mean, seriously?

I suppose you never played BB and never played CV as well to say this.

The prevalence of overmatching BBs is an issue, but still you have options to defend yourself. You cannot defend yourself against a semi decent CV player.

[Excavatus]

 

 

Please carry this to the CV thread. this one is locked.