Brawls in 0.10.1: The Next Step

[sneakyscotsman]

47 minutes ago, Flatout_Testdriver said:

Why are cv's allowed ?

Cv just has to hide, no schip can take on a CV by itself. 

My Odin against the CV didn't last 1 minute.

This is plain stupid.

CV's should not be allowed in matches lower then 12 V12 Lett alone in 1v1. They are not designed for this.

What where they thinking ?

 

 

 

 

Juust had exactly the same on two brothers i capture all the points in my Odin but never see the CV just press priority sector every 30 seconds and die

without firing a shot.

The CV player actually apologised to me.

What an absolute triumph of pig headedness over balanced gameplay there is no point in playing this mode with CV's in it.

[MightyMac22]

Well sorry to burst your bubble but I just survived and won against a CV in a DD, no I did not hide in smoke the whole time I used WSAD hacks.

 

[MightyMac22]

The whole Brawl thing is now dead in the water to me though its basically roulette if you bring the right ship its an easy win if not well just log out and take the pink for 3 games as its not going to be fun or worth your time.

yes I survived a CV in a DD but the amount of drops missed was comical. A half way competent CV player would have finished me in literally seconds.

 

[YabbaCoe]

Před 1 hodinou Flatout_Testdriver řekl/a:

Why are cv's allowed ?

Cv just has to hide, no schip can take on a CV by itself. 

My Odin against the CV didn't last 1 minute.

This is plain stupid.

CV's should not be allowed in matches lower then 12 V12 Lett alone in 1v1. They are not designed for this.

What where they thinking ?

 

 

I know, it is not easy to fight a CV, but there are still ways how to do that. Actually as was mentioned below, also works.

With CV they definitely won't go for cap, but you can and probably use that advantage of getting points.

 

Před 19 minutami MightyMac22 řekl/a:

The whole Brawl thing is now dead in the water to me though its basically roulette if you bring the right ship its an easy win if not well just log out and take the pink for 3 games as its not going to be fun or worth your time.

yes I survived a CV in a DD but the amount of drops missed was comical. A half way competent CV player would have finished me in literally seconds.

 

It can be random, which oponnent in which ship you receive, but atleast you can have different battles each time. I advise you to not log out during any battle.

 

I am already curious, what will be the results of fights of ships of different class...

[Bringfriede_83]

Vor 1 Stunde, Flatout_Testdriver sagte:

Why are cv's allowed ?

Cv just has to hide, no schip can take on a CV by itself. 

My Odin against the CV didn't last 1 minute.

This is plain stupid.

CV's should not be allowed in matches lower then 12 V12 Lett alone in 1v1. They are not designed for this.

What where they thinking ?

 

 

Same here, you don't even want to try to dodge them, just get it over with, I thought about leaving instantly too. Then asked myself if I could last for more than 300s. MM really sucks, just a waste of time. 5 Brawl attempts with BB and I ended up with 3 Tirpitzes, 1 DD and 1 CV. Straight up pointless, either you get gunned down from the distance while never seeing the enemy, or the dd just sacks away all caps and as you have to get into the caps when facing Tirpitz, you are forced into a close-quarter brawl with very little chance of survival.

[Trench4nt]

Nice WG, very nice.

 

It is just frustrating to fight with a BB against a CV. You CANNOT WIN THIS.

You cannot use the terrain sufficiently, you cannot get vision of the CV and you cannot cap and hold the cap because you are constantly attacked.

 

 

I tried it a couple of times. But now, I tell the player at the beginning that I do not fight him and leave the game. You cannot expect that people play matche where it is impossible to reach something.

 

[YabbaCoe]

Před 51 minutami Trench4nt řekl/a:

Nice WG, very nice.

 

It is just frustrating to fight with a BB against a CV. You CANNOT WIN THIS.

You cannot use the terrain sufficiently, you cannot get vision of the CV and you cannot cap and hold the cap because you are constantly attacked.

 

 

I tried it a couple of times. But now, I tell the player at the beginning that I do not fight him and leave the game. You cannot expect that people play matche where it is impossible to reach something.

 

Well, this is also a feedback for us and important source of data for the next Brawls in future.

But as I mentioned, the system hasn't changed since last 1vs1 mode, which also included CVs and the feedback for them wasn't really bad.

We will closely monitor those battles and results coming from them to probably make adjustments for the future, but this one won't be changed.

[Mahejo]

6 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Well, this is also a feedback for us and important source of data for the next Brawls in future.

But as I mentioned, the system hasn't changed since last 1vs1 mode, which also included CVs and the feedback for them wasn't really bad.

We will closely monitor those battles and results coming from them to probably make adjustments for the future, but this one won't be changed.

So you are telling us that you guys didn't have the foresight to predict stuff like this?

Or are you just trying to boost the sales of the obvious T8 premiums that will be picked for this?

[Maris_Piper]

I had a Graff Zepplelin this morning give me a spanking in the Prinze so much health gone before I even got in range, Happy Days

Not enjoying Two Brothers Note to Self, Get Gooder, I won't be bothering again how do you fight something you can't See, Reach or Hurt?

All Hail the Spreadshte 

[YabbaCoe]

Před 4 minutami Mahejo řekl/a:

So you are telling us that you guys didn't have the foresight to predict stuff like this?

Or are you just trying to boost the sales of the obvious T8 premiums that will be picked for this?

Of course we have our predictions and expectations. Just as I said, last 1vs1 wasn't that bad around CVs in terms of perception, so nothing really made us to prohibit this class in this format for this Brawl.

[Trench4nt]

Vor 36 Minuten, YabbaCoe sagte:

Well, this is also a feedback for us and important source of data for the next Brawls in future.

But as I mentioned, the system hasn't changed since last 1vs1 mode, which also included CVs and the feedback for them wasn't really bad.

We will closely monitor those battles and results coming from them to probably make adjustments for the future, but this one won't be changed.

 

Well, let me clarify this because I am very grateful for your fast feedback.

 

1. I am a somewhat experienced player, i.e. I can judge the individual strength of ships and their weaknesses.

2. And I really like this game mode anyway and I will give positive feedback when I am asked for it in the game (the likert scale that sometimes pops up).

 

Yes, there are some ships that might be very suitable for this mode, but this means that you can at least counter react to them. Even against an Odin or Le Fantasque, you have chances to win, when you outplay them or counter their (little) mistakes.

But with a carrier... he just attacks you constantly while you are on the move to the cap. You can do nothing against him. As you now, there does not really exist a ship with descend anti air that can prevent at least the number of attacks. Hence, you just die - always. Even when you reach a cap, you cannot hide or win on time, because you also lose cap points.

 

It doesn't matter what kind of skill you have, what kind of ship you have. Only French DDs might destroy the carrier because they have the velocity advantage as long it is not a German carrier.

The only way to win is when the CV players makes a very big mistake - as always.

 

I did not attend the last 1vs1 season so I cannot say anything about it, but you do not need feedbag and look at the winrate instead? I cannot believe that the CV rate is usual.

[buccaneer_invader]

Have done 2 and been pitted against a stronger ship. Not doing it again. BYEEE.

[GoneFishingAgain]

What brainiac at WG thought that CV in this format would be good?

Same trash MM as always - mixing different classes in 1 vs 1 form is just plain stupid.

I don't even think anybody at WG plays their own game

[HawkEyes__]

7 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

OK, thank you for the info. Than it was my wrong expectation guessing from what I saw on PT. Sorry for that.

In this case it will be similar to previous 1vs1, where you could meet different classes aswell.

Server overloaded

[Flatout_Testdriver]

4 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

I know, it is not easy to fight a CV, but there are still ways how to do that. Actually as was mentioned below, also works.

With CV they definitely won't go for cap, but you can and probably use that advantage of getting points.

 

It can be random, which oponnent in which ship you receive, but atleast you can have different battles each time. I advise you to not log out during any battle.

 

I am already curious, what will be the results of fights of ships of different class...

So please tell me what you can do with a BB against a CV ? I do want to know. 

Don't tell me dodge or play with your speed. It's a BB FFS.

All you can do it press priority. That is it. 

Well that's great fun. The CV you will never see. And capping, well if you are lucky you might get that far but only if the CV player sucks. Getting to the end of game, good luck.

 

As you are well aware the CV is not designed for a 1vs1, why would you otherwise allow max 2 cv's in a 12v12 ??? Yes pls tell we why there is a max number of cv's in a random game ??? Could it be because ...

 

There absolutely no fun in fighting a CV, so just don't take it out, it has no place in this. 

 

Can't even imagine CV vs CV, how stupid is that ?

 

 

 

 

[AdmiralAntoni]

So far I am 1 -2 v CV`s in this format.

The 1 I won I did so by running and hiding from my opponent AFTER I took 2 caps.

(I only play in my Bismarck).

I *think* the concept is good, but as others have said can we please playat T7 or T9 so there are no CV`s ?

[Horcan]

Very entertaing piece of garbage, to play with cruiser vs BB twice your Hp, or with a carrier vs a bb whos only hope is to cap before you drain him to death. Can you come up with more stupid ideas? Pass.

It's a rock paper scissors game ffs, who tought its good idea to make 1v1?
How can you beat a sonar curiser with a dd, carrier with anything unless you cap , and so on?

[Zemeritt]

Oh, CV could be broken in a 1 vs. 1 enviroment.

 

Of course WG couldn't see that with their "CVs are fine" glasses on.

[Strothy]

Good job on ducking up another potential fun mode by allowing CVs in 1 vs. 1.... WELL DONE!!!!!!!!!!!

[tsounts]

Tried entering this mode 4 times last night, but each time "server overloaded"

[_HomTanks_]

@YabbaCoe First of all, it is a great decision to add 1 vs 1 mode as games are quick and fun. The definition of fun will depend on the MM and map of course. You can win against a Lexington in Massa in the map Two Brothers but can lose to AVP in Tirpitz in the same map. There are some small maps and some bigger maps. In those small maps, sometimes the CV doesn't have enough time to sink a cruiser or a BB before they get both caps and time starts ticking but since entering to cap would be a direct suicide with CV while enemy ship is there, the only option remains to sink the cruiser or BB in the remaining time as points tick fast. It's not always doable. Same goes for surface ship classes. When a BB enters caps, what can you do with a cruiser other than hit and run? Nothing. Meanwhile a lucky BB shell will hit you and there goes 70% of your hp.

 

So, is including CVs to Brawls bad? No, because you can win against them *depending on the type of your ship, enemy CV and map. If you roll good dice (meaning MM RNG), you can win, if not, lose, simple. Also, this is not a competitive mode but rather 1 vs 1 fun mode. Hence, it is okay to include any class and even subs into this mode.

 

I understand that your point might be to monitor and retrieve class interaction data on 1 vs 1, however, the data you'd extract from this mode would not provide realistic info in most parameters as the map, location of caps, epicenter play important part to distort it.

 

This mode favors specifically some ships like Massa with good AA, fast heal reload consumable and long range secondaries, or certain cruisers with heal or fast firing ones like Mainz, but then again, it all comes down to the map and ships decided by MM.

 

Is the player factor important too? Yes, but in 1 vs 1 brawl, not as much as the ship type and map MM generates for you. In this brawl, I sank a sunicum player in GZ with my Saipan easy or won against a Lexington in my Hsiengyang. Yet, lost against a 47% WR player in their AVP while i was in my Tirpitz because there is nothing you can do against the AP bombs other than slalom which only works up to a point.

It is a fun mode. Could it be more fun? Always. Here is a hint; give better rewards, like nice camos with good bonuses (which would help many players as they are short on camos) or perma camos or a T3-4-5 ship in the end, or better amount of coal, or a badge.

 

Overall, thanks for adding this fun mode back which i think is good for the game.

[misterferrari_1]

Yeah, it's a very fun mode, it should always be available!

 

There might be some hard to win battles, like agains a CV, as mentioned, or a DD against a radar cruiser, but still it's better like that than playing only against a ship of the same type, that would become boring after a little while.

[cuddlesRO]

For this mode to work they should only match same type of ship. CV vs CV  , BB vs BB and so on...

I only had a game in my CV against a poor guy in a Bismark.  I nuked him before he even managed to get close. I apologized as it really felt like cheating.

I also had one game in my Tirpitz against a Mogami that I won  because he went yolo trying to torp me but If he would have played smart he could have won.

Another game in my Tirpitz against a Bismark that basically ran from me the entire game.

 

honestly I stopped playing this mode. This is not fun. 

[tumppu75]

If this mode did NOT include CVs, I would probably be playing it, but as it stands, I'm not going to bother.

[cuddlesRO]

CVs are not the only problem here. Don't you understand? If I would play in my DD against a BB it would be not fun for the BB . I can either get in close and torp the crap out of you (and you can't kill me in one salvo unless very lucky) or torp your from distance )

Again , playing a dd against a cruiser... not fun.

 

it needs to be same type of ship.