When are we getting fixes to the commander rework

[leonport]

So its been a month and still nothing besides a wg dev said deadeye gets an overhaull in a russian stream

its now totally clear what skills are meta(deadeye,and basically all old skills) and what skills are weak(like outnumbered or bb skill: heavy ap shells) ,what ships got totally nuked in the update(like flint,can we get an F for flint)and what ships become just better in the update(like sniper bbs)

so i guess its now a typical wg fuked up and now we have to wait 6 months for them to fix things that were good before, GREAT

and no i do not accept the excuse that "gAtHeRiNg DaTA iS A lONg PrOcEsS aND wE ArE sTiLL mOniToRiNg sHiPs AffEcTeD BY ThE ChaNgES" ,common wg if you aren't sure if a skill like dazzle is Op or not, i understand that BUT nerfing skills that were balanced before doesn't require 6 months of Monitoring to know they are bad atm, some of the skills this rework gave us were so Broken or garbage from the beginning even a potato can tell if a certain skill is bad or meta, the worst part about the rework that the impact of this rework was predicted by everyone but wg still made live server the test server.

Please start fixing your game's balance because if ppl get frustrated they will play less and less and eventually stop playing becase all of your recent updates suck

[Miragetank90]

More details to follow in 3-4 weeks, apparently. 

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

If you want to accelerate the fix, boycott the game and organise to help widen the ongoing boycott.

By which I mean either stop playing or switch to Co-Op.

 

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/147638-dead-eye-will-be-changed-from-scratch/?do=findComment&comment=3813034

 

It's that simple.

 

WG only cares about money so we must impact their cash flow.

 

 

[COPlUM]

32 minutes ago, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor said:

boycott the game and organise to help widen the ongoing boycott.

What ongoing boycott, there were 26.000 people playing this evening on a thursday. Rework has issues, there's skills nobody will ever pick, there's skills everyone will always pick, they said they wanted to test live to have lots of data and will make further adjustments, which is exactly what's about to happen.

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Vor 1 Minute, NikolayKuznetsov sagte:

What ongoing boycott, there were 26.000 people playing this evening on a thursday.

If you had looked at the link, most of them were just grinding freebies in Co-Op, which does nothing for WG's business.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

5 hours ago, leonport said:

wg dev said deadeye gets an overhaull in a russian stream

 

Like..... 7% instead of 10? 

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 1 Stunde, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor sagte:

most of them were just grinding freebies in Co-Op

Well, playing alongside bots against bots is the best content which the carcass of this game has to offer. Almost no interaction with "players", CV and campers.

[159Hunter]

Simple answer: when WG has collected enough data to ascertain that there is indeed a problem with said skills.

[The_Chiv]

1 hour ago, 159Hunter said:

Simple answer: when WG has collected enough data to ascertain that there is indeed a problem with said skills.

If that was true then can you explain the cv rework?

[Sink_Different]

4 hours ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

What ongoing boycott, there were 26.000 people playing this evening on a thursday. Rework has issues, there's skills nobody will ever pick, there's skills everyone will always pick, they said they wanted to test live to have lots of data and will make further adjustments, which is exactly what's about to happen.

How many of these 26K people actually open their wallets to WG? That's only metric that matters.

[Sink_Different]

1 hour ago, 159Hunter said:

Simple answer: when WG has collected enough data to ascertain that there is indeed a problem with said skills.

Even simpler answer: WG just remember the free respec period has ended.

[YabbaCoe]

Před 9 hodinami leonport řekl/a:

So its been a month and still nothing besides a wg dev said deadeye gets an overhaull in a russian stream

its now totally clear what skills are meta(deadeye,and basically all old skills) and what skills are weak(like outnumbered or bb skill: heavy ap shells) ,what ships got totally nuked in the update(like flint,can we get an F for flint)and what ships become just better in the update(like sniper bbs)

so i guess its now a typical wg fuked up and now we have to wait 6 months for them to fix things that were good before, GREAT

and no i do not accept the excuse that "gAtHeRiNg DaTA iS A lONg PrOcEsS aND wE ArE sTiLL mOniToRiNg sHiPs AffEcTeD BY ThE ChaNgES" ,common wg if you aren't sure if a skill like dazzle is Op or not, i understand that BUT nerfing skills that were balanced before doesn't require 6 months of Monitoring to know they are bad atm, some of the skills this rework gave us were so Broken or garbage from the beginning even a potato can tell if a certain skill is bad or meta, the worst part about the rework that the impact of this rework was predicted by everyone but wg still made live server the test server.

Please start fixing your game's balance because if ppl get frustrated they will play less and less and eventually stop playing becase all of your recent updates suck

On RU stream it was said, that we are also considering the option to completely remove this skill and replace it with something else. But nothing set in stone yet.

Also we haven't confirmed anything with exact dates. So just keep an eye on the news and mostly on DevBlog, where probably those changes will be announced globally some day.

[Fat_Maniac]

6 hours ago, NikolayKuznetsov said:

What ongoing boycott, there were 26.000 people playing this evening on a thursday. Rework has issues, there's skills nobody will ever pick, there's skills everyone will always pick, they said they wanted to test live to have lots of data and will make further adjustments, which is exactly what's about to happen.

Agreed, and I have no issue with this tweaking and rebalancing. It was clear from the start, that this rework was going to be tweaked once it landed. The new commander skills landed with a bang and we all got free respec's = a good thing. The question is, and it's the point Flamuu made, and that appears to have touched a raw nerve for WG, as they tweek and slowly modify/replace skills over the coming months, are we going to get free respec's again, or are we going to be expected to pay = working as intended?

 

If WG completely overhaul/replace deadeye, then since we are all beta testing the commander rework for WG, we shouldn't have to pay for that. It would be sensible to give any commander with a skill that is fundamentally reworked or replaced a free or partial reset. So any commander using deadeye if it is replaced or overhauled should get a full free respec, or get the points back for deadeye when that skill is replaced.

 

I don't mind paying to respec a commander if I choose to move him somewhere new, or change the playstyle I want to use him for. But when the dev makes the change because what they introduced in the first place was the issue, the dev should pay for that mistake, not me the customer. I do wonder if they have a legal obligation here in the UK https://www.businesscompanion.info/en/quick-guides/digital/digital-content#Consumerrightssummary

 

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Vor 6 Stunden, nambr9 sagte:

Like..... 7% instead of 10? 

Maybe they are making DeadEye work its magic even if the target is an aircraft carrier now.

 

Hey, a man can dream.

 

 

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Vor 5 Stunden, 159Hunter sagte:

Simple answer: when WG has collected enough data to ascertain that there is indeed a problem with said skills.

 

Vor 3 Stunden, The_Chiv sagte:

If that was true then can you explain the cv rework?

They are collecting said data from the accounting department and it just takes a while for their profits to show they are taking a hit.

 

 

[AlwaysBadLuckWithTeams]

F.

 

Damn, even in Narai, Flint isn't fun.

[COPlUM]

3 hours ago, Fat_Maniac said:

So any commander using deadeye if it is replaced or overhauled should get a full free respec

Captains that aren't running deadeye should also get it because whatever will replace deadeye may be a skill that fits in some non-deadeye builds. Besides deadeye isn't the only thing that's going to change "dazzle" - "brawler" - "be on fire 30% more" There's a bunch of skills that are currently silly, they just get less attention. I actually hope they keep deadeye in some way but change it so that potatoes no longer feel the need to use it as a 'reason' to borderhump for 20 mins. There was nothing wrong with the skill design wise, wargaming just underestimated how stupid people are.

Hell, even other classes should get respec, I changed my cruiser builds to adapt to deadeye J-line you tickle me - i tickle you - lets agree to tickle eachother meta, all my cruisers now are set-up for maximum range. I got 27km range on my hindenburg with rangemod and spotterplane. If there is no deadeye, modules and captain on that thing would have been totally diffent.

[AlwaysBadLuckWithTeams]

The assumption that there will be another re-work, yet no free re-specs, is what broke flamu's neck. Officially. I mean think of WG what you want, but I seriously don't believe they'd do such a shitty move. Not for one second.

 

Edit: a t4 cv skill is also buggy right now. Just another reason for people to have a second look.

[COPlUM]

3 minutes ago, AlwaysBadLuckWithTeams said:

The assumption that there will be another re-work, yet no free re-specs, is what broke flamu's neck. Officially. I mean think of WG what you want, but I seriously don't believe they'd do such a shitty move. Not for one second.

Yup, first thing I said, that tweet was like saying "Hey these people I work with, they're the game developer equivalent of Martin Shkreli"

Shouldn't have tweeted that, I'm a Flamu fan, when I read that even before he got yeeted off the CC program I thought, this is trashy.
Especially because patchnotes said there will be further changes and they will come with more free respec, because it's a complete overhaul.

[MementoMori_6030]

I have a suggestion: Remove commanders entirely. There are no crews to command anyway. No commanders, no skills, no problems.

[159Hunter]

9 hours ago, The_Chiv said:

If that was true then can you explain the cv rework?

Very easy : players complained about CVs and WG magically had enough data to prove it was needed ( in this case: sales of premium CVs were too low).

As to when we might expect balanced CVs: WG still needs more data cause the amount of CVs is still not high (but sales are okay now ). 

[159Hunter]

8 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

On RU stream it was said, that we are also considering the option to completely remove this skill and replace it with something else. But nothing set in stone yet.

Also we haven't confirmed anything with exact dates. So just keep an eye on the news and mostly on DevBlog, where probably those changes will be announced globally some day.

Is this the same day you will finally balance CV ineraction with other classes ?  

[1MajorKoenig]

14 hours ago, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor said:

and organise to help widen the ongoing boycott.

Ah... another famous boycott...? 

 

Like the last one - worked pretty well... oh wait. It was the same joke, no?

 

Yes - dead eye is trash and will be changed. And yes we will probably get a free respec. 
 

 

[PedroSantana]

Deadeye has destroyed the game for me......BBs hit a dd from 18k doing 47 knots... yeah GG WG.

wonder who that genius Dev. thinked when he came up with this crap.. we gotta get BBs better dispursion far away, will make the game less "campy", yeah let´s do that.

 

Aint playing this crap no more, there are more games out there..

 

take care and stay safe.

[Fat_Maniac]

This rework is just the final nail in the coffin for some :-(