Terrible AI programmin, bots throwing 100% wins to loses

[EnacheV]

Already happened 2 times in 2 the last 2 battles

 

95% base cap by my bot, nobody near to interrupt, bot exits the caps when enemy has more ships

 

100% win transofrmed in 100% loss

 

Can you spend some money on decent programmers instead of artists for cash grabs ?

 

Thanks

[ThePurpleSmurf]

6 minutes ago, EnacheV said:

Can you spend some money on decent programmers instead of artists for cash grabs ?

How about you invest some time into developing skills to beat bots by yourself, then you don't have to rely on an AI to do the job for you?

[Miscommunication_dept]

You're being beaten by theses bots? Consistently?

 

[bushwacker001]

4 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

You're being beaten by theses bots? Consistently?

 

It's more  a case of the bots sometimes in low tiers messing with reroll stats possibly. 

[EnacheV]

14 minutes ago, ThePurpleSmurf said:

How about you invest some time into developing skills to beat bots by yourself, then you don't have to rely on an AI to do the job for you?

 

how about you make an exercise of thinking before talking

 

its 1 human and 10 bots vs 1 human and 10 bots

 

you are on aflank, with 2 bots, you win your flank but you can influence other zones

 

by then you are -6 in ships

 

won games from -8 ships by kill last 8 bots and 1 human so its not a problem to kill bots

 

so use your 10 brain cells to think before posting smug nonsense

 

next

 

 

[22cm]

10 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

You're being beaten by theses bots? Consistently?

 

Bots are better than some players.

[KillStealBoss]

2 minutes ago, EnacheV said:

so use your 10 brain cells to think before posting smug nonsense

Try being less toxic. You are talking like that on low tiers, imagine you on high tiers.... geez.

[EnacheV]

2 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Try being less toxic. You are talking like that on low tiers, imagine you on high tiers.... geez.

 

this were 20 mins games

 

im extremely pissed

 

and now comes some dude posting smug nonsense. not gonna pat him

 

embarassing programming

 

after happening 1st time i said ok, one in a millions. but 2 times in less than 10 games thats already too much.

[ForlornSailor]

The funny thing is: OP is right ^^ Right now, when you start a new account, you play with 90% bots in randoms. Then there are some games, where you will lose, because your bots are clearly inferior to the red bots. I dont know if thats really random, result of a snowball effect or if there is some other factor... but seriously, once in a while, the bots will absolutly throw the game. They will even lose 4vs1 situations.

[Altsak]

2 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 the bots will absolutly throw the game. They will even lose 4vs1 situations.

 

Just needs to carry harder.

[KillStealBoss]

3 minutes ago, EnacheV said:

 

this were 20 mins games

 

im extremely pissed

 

and now comes some dude posting smug nonsense. not gonna pat him

 

embarassing programming

 

after happening 1st time i said ok, one in a millions. but 2 times in less than 10 games thats already too much.

No need, he didnt see the game. You explained and we understood. As I said if you get pissed like that on low tiers imagine yourself being smacked on T10 by FDR and you can't do crap about this?

[bobtherterrible]

20 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

You're being beaten by theses bots? Consistently?

 

 

I despair of forums. Such lovely welcoming places.

[ForlornSailor]

2 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

No need, he didnt see the game. You explained and we understood. As I said if you get pissed like that on low tiers imagine yourself being smacked by FDR and you can't do crap about this?

 

Or imagine, when you witness how your team of actuall humans on T10 throw a flank while outnumbering the enemys 7vs3 - when your blood already boils from T3 bots throwing a game... uuuh ^^

[KillStealBoss]

Just now, ForlornSailor said:

 

Or imagine, when you witness how your team of actuall human on T10 throw a flank while outnumbering the enemys 7vs3 - when your blood already boils from T3 bots throwing a game... uuuh ^^

Exactly. And WG can't do much about this one cause they can't fix people - only by changing the MM. 

[22cm]

At least, the bots

9 minutes ago, EnacheV said:

after happening 1st time i said ok, one in a millions. but 2 times in less than 10 games thats already too much.

Its WG trying to mess up your perfect 100% wr

[mdjmcnally]

Even in lower level co-op you cannot just press W sail in a straight line  and fire at everything and hope you outhit the bots.

 

not going to say never lost to bots but usually when yoloing torpedo hits so just do a W, slide up to nearest enemy torp and usually die.

 

don’t turn into a camper but avoid close contact so not getting rammed and taken out.

 

try to avoid late night when few people and sometimes you are only real person on team.

 

watch some of the videos on you tube, there are some good ones out there of replays.  
 

what I found was angle off to the side so not going head on into the bots but slightly to the side so that getting at there sides etc.

 

I have seen this happen myself but for the opposition so was quite glad to see it happen.

 

I had sailed down the side and gotten to the other base.   bot had somehow got past my team and to our base before me.    

 

 

[ColonelPete]

18 minutes ago, EnacheV said:

 

how about you make an exercise of thinking before talking

 

its 1 human and 10 bots vs 1 human and 10 bots

 

you are on aflank, with 2 bots, you win your flank but you can influence other zones

 

by then you are -6 in ships

 

won games from -8 ships by kill last 8 bots and 1 human so its not a problem to kill bots

 

so use your 10 brain cells to think before posting smug nonsense

 

next

Then do not rely on caps or on bots, just sink them.

[El2aZeR]

26 minutes ago, EnacheV said:

its 1 human and 10 bots vs 1 human and 10 bots

 

Don't worry, once you reach enough battles or go over a certain tier you won't see bots in PvP ever again.

And then you will wish you had bots as teammates.

[Kiagy]

19 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

The funny thing is: OP is right ^^ Right now, when you start a new account, you play with 90% bots in randoms. Then there are some games, where you will lose, because your bots are clearly inferior to the red bots. I dont know if thats really random, result of a snowball effect or if there is some other factor... but seriously, once in a while, the bots will absolutly throw the game. They will even lose 4vs1 situations.

Sensible response unlike some

 

I agree with this

[TheAlba2014]

42 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

The funny thing is: OP is right ^^ Right now, when you start a new account, you play with 90% bots in randoms. Then there are some games, where you will lose, because your bots are clearly inferior to the red bots. I dont know if thats really random, result of a snowball effect or if there is some other factor... but seriously, once in a while, the bots will absolutly throw the game. They will even lose 4vs1 situations.

 

Would this not be accurate training for new players for when their team tries to "win harder" in higher tiers...seems about right to me? 

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 1 Stunde, ForlornSailor sagte:

The funny thing is: OP is right ^^ Right now, when you start a new account, you play with 90% bots in randoms. Then there are some games, where you will lose, because your bots are clearly inferior to the red bots. I dont know if thats really random, result of a snowball effect or if there is some other factor... but seriously, once in a while, the bots will absolutly throw the game. They will even lose 4vs1 situations.

I don't really care if the bots are bad, but there is very often at least one bot in my team who goes on a teamkilling spree with utmost dedication. I eat more allied torps than enemy ones.

[Kartoffelmos]

1 hour ago, EnacheV said:

 

how about you make an exercise of thinking before talking

 

its 1 human and 10 bots vs 1 human and 10 bots

 

you are on aflank, with 2 bots, you win your flank but you can influence other zones

 

by then you are -6 in ships

 

won games from -8 ships by kill last 8 bots and 1 human so its not a problem to kill bots

 

so use your 10 brain cells to think before posting smug nonsense

 

next

 

So what is the problem then? Based on this, you killed all the bots and thus you did not need anyone (well , anything) to cap for you.

If it is about positioning, the bots are not exactly unpredictable in how they behave.

 

1 hour ago, ForlornSailor said:

The funny thing is: OP is right ^^ Right now, when you start a new account, you play with 90% bots in randoms. Then there are some games, where you will lose, because your bots are clearly inferior to the red bots. I dont know if thats really random, result of a snowball effect or if there is some other factor... but seriously, once in a while, the bots will absolutly throw the game. They will even lose 4vs1 situations.

 

I believe there was an old article regarding bot skill levels, but I cannot find it, nor can I confirm if the article was addressing the training room bots or the co-op bots. Regardless, losses in co-op is generally caused by players throwing away their ship without doing anything, leaving it up to the remaining players/bots to compensate. If said player was the only battleship in the team and there are no human destroyer players present (or other ship that can counter the BB), the match will be a lot harder for cruisers without armour for instance. So yes, I would bet that it is indeed the snowball effect at work.

[ForlornSailor]

27 minutes ago, Kartoffelmos said:

Regardless, losses in co-op

This is about randoms tho.

[Kartoffelmos]

2 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

This is about randoms tho.

 

Oh, right, I forgot about that when searching for the aforementioned article .

In random battles, I guess the snowball effect starts with the enemy human(s) sink your suicidal bots first, thus gaining a small advantage which allows them to move on to the next target. All things being equal, of course. 

[159Hunter]

Epic topic title and topic even delivers. Thank you OP.

 

There is a correlation between bots acting silly and coop winrates over 95%. Why else platy coop if the bots put up a decent fight? They don't rage in chat or go afk or snipe. They do master the art of yolo and focus fire on a dd.