Belfast '43: Buffs needed please

[SuperDare83]

Please can the developers consider buffs to Belfast '43.  The ship is underperforming, both from my own experience and in the tier 8 cruiser stats more widely.  

 

The main issues I think are damage output and survivability - the combination of short smoke and long reload really limits the ship.

 

Please can you consider:

• Reducing reload time
• Increasing smoke duration
• Decreasing time between smoke availability

 

Other suggestions:

• Improve the armor and ship HP
• Reduce the concealment
• Increase both number and range of torpedo's

 

Many Thanks

[Jethro_Grey]

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[_HomTanks_]

Just curious, didn't you check the ship to see what it is before you purchased it?

What if everyone does the same like you, just come here and complain for a buff after they buy a ship? Do you know how many premium ships there are in this game?

[SuperDare83]

1 minute ago, Execute0rder66 said:

Just curious, didn't you check the ship to see what it is before you purchased it?

What if everyone does the same like you, just come here and complain for a buff after they buy a ship? Do you know how many premium ships there are in this game?

What can I say - I saw 'Belfast' and brought her.

 

I'm not complaining - I'm politely requesting.  If you had her you would agree she really needs the buffs.

[Miscommunication_dept]

I'd rather take the original tier 7 Belfast into a tier 8 battle than this!

 

Call me cynical but I expect WG were hoping people would buy it thinking it's the original.

[DFens_666]

Can we also get buffs for Plymouth while we are at it?

[SuperDare83]

2 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

Call me cynical but I expect WG were hoping people would buy it thinking it's the original.

Yes - like me :(

[_HomTanks_]

11 minutes ago, DaddyDare said:

What can I say - I saw 'Belfast' and brought her.

 

You know you needed to check her specifications before you spent money

 

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I'm not complaining - I'm politely requesting.  If you had her you would agree she really needs the buffs.

No. Because, 1) It's been through testings before it hit the live servers. Meaning, it went through certain monitoring and changes by testers and developers. Hence, for the most part it must be within the acceptable limits for sale. 2) It is not the real Belfast but an Edinburgh with smoke and radar in different slots. So, i would expect its specs to be similar to Edinburgh. We wrote on this forum a lot about this ship before and after it came out. 3) If you make a ship specific buff/nerf, it should be checked through all similar tier ships in the game whether these buffs/nerfs to the specific ship will affect other ships. In other words, what you are requesting could be a game balance issue. 4) She already has smoke and radar in separate slots. Why should she get any other buff? That would make her unnecessarily op.

[DFens_666]

3 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

4) She already has smoke and radar in separate slots. Why should she get any other buff? That would make her unnecessarily op.

 

Plymouth has both aswell, but its currently the worst steelship by WR (despite being the newest), so these 2 things might not be connected to one another. Ofc 9km radar on T8 is probably more useful than on T10...

Interestingly after checking stats, Belfast 43 seems to be rather week compared to other ships, in both WR and damage. It looks like it has the 2nd lowest avg damage on T8, only beaten by Ochakov.

[_HomTanks_]

7 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Plymouth has both aswell, but its currently the worst steelship by WR (despite being the newest), so these 2 things might not be connected to one another. Ofc 9km radar on T8 is probably more useful than on T10...

Well, I wrote about Plymouth's weaknesses and it not being a Mino but an upgraded Edinburgh as well before you bought it. I remember your post about you will get her with steel.

 

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Interestingly after checking stats, Belfast 43 seems to be rather week compared to other ships, in both WR and damage. It looks like it has the 2nd lowest avg damage on T8, only beaten by Ochakov.

Probably because, many people bought her (when i say many not too many actually. It has 28K battles only) thinking it's the original Belfast without really checking the ship. So, the stats are not surprising to me. If you are not good specifically in UK CLs, you will most probably not do much better in a Belfast '43 even if has an additional slot.

 

Note: I also wrote about Austin some time ago. Just saying. :D

[SuperDare83]

21 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

1) It's been through testings before it hit the live servers.

Testing is never complete until it hits the game in the public's hands - and IT IS underperforming - just look at the stats. 

 

I note even WG have recognised this as they increased number of smoke's from 4 to 5 (with SI) - but that does not address the core problem with this ship as I set out in my post - the very short smoke duration combined with the long reload means your damage output is SEVERLEY limited.  If it had the Edinburgh's reload that would be a good start.

[DFens_666]

Just now, Execute0rder66 said:

Well, I wrote about Plymouth's weaknesses and it not being a Mino but an upgraded Edinburgh as well before you bought it. I remember your post about you will get her with steel.

 

Yes i did Its not bad, dont get me wrong, but it does lack something... most likely the firing angles for the turrets are not good enough, which means taking risky plays is just... too risky. Played her yesterday and even a hipper had no issues getting citadel hits in a 1v1 when i was using all my turrets while kiting. Even fighting a Stalingrad seemed easier, as the Stalingrad did deal less damage with his AP than the Hipper

Ofc the campy meta does not favour her.

 

Dont want to speculate on the playerbase of the Belfast 43, but yes, it could make sense that mostly inexperienced players got her because of the name, but id assume there should also be RN Cruiser enthusiasts playing her, who know how to handle her.

[_HomTanks_]

1 minute ago, DaddyDare said:

Testing is never complete until it hits the game in the public's hands

lol

 

2 minutes ago, DaddyDare said:

- and IT IS underperforming - just look at the stats. 

 

I looked at the stats and saw people playing her at sunicum level.

 

2 minutes ago, DaddyDare said:

the very short smoke duration combined with the long reload means your damage output is SEVERLEY limited.

I remember this being discussed in the forum before the ship came out. If WG didn't change it before it came out, i doubt they will change it now.

[SuperDare83]

1 minute ago, DFens_666 said:

Dont want to speculate on the playerbase of the Belfast 43, but yes, it could make sense that mostly inexperienced players got her because of the name, but id assume there should also be RN Cruiser enthusiasts playing her, who know how to handle her.

Yes, in my case its because I missed out on the OG Belfast and loved visiting the ship in RL so really wanted her (instant click purchase which of course I regret).

 

That said I don't actually mind the challenge of playing her (currently 65.22% WR from just 23 games) - the issue is the pitifully low DMG at 37 900 in my case.  Yes, I'm not 'super-unicum' but broadly speaking I'm ok in other RN light cruisers

[_HomTanks_]

1 minute ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Yes i did Its not bad, dont get me wrong, but it does lack something... most likely the firing angles for the turrets are not good enough, which means taking risky plays is just... too risky. Played her yesterday and even a hipper had no issues getting citadel hits in a 1v1 when i was using all my turrets while kiting. Even fighting a Stalingrad seemed easier, as the Stalingrad did deal less damage with his AP than the Hipper

Ofc the campy meta does not favour her.

Just saying it again here, think twice before you get Austin.

This is what i wrote about Austin in December;

 

"Austin has almost double the reload time of shells, weaker HE but SAP, 75% RB, Fletcher torps and 30K HP pool with standard heal in comparison to Worcester's 45.5K HP and radar. Sounds like a mutated higher tier Anchorage with different gimmicks (and ofc without the smoke or radar)."

 

So, no radar, no smoke and 30K hp with standard heal sounds too squishy for a T10 cruiser, imo.

 

1 minute ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Dont want to speculate on the playerbase of the Belfast 43, but yes, it could make sense that mostly inexperienced players got her because of the name, but id assume there should also be RN Cruiser enthusiasts playing her, who know how to handle her.

There are some people who apparently handle her quite well. Source; wowsnumbers.

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, Execute0rder66 said:

Just saying it again here, think twice before you get Austin.

 

Nah, dont want to get that one Currently out of steel anyway, but with T9 CBs (without CVs - YES!!!) coming up and more ranked, it might fill up sooner rather than later. Wont get FDR out of principle, dont want Austin and why get Shiki? Might aswell just play Yamato for same experience...

 

2 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

There are some people who apparently handle her quite well. Source; wowsnumbers.

 

Well we could give them a raft with a handgun they would still get SuperUnicum WR

[SuperDare83]

10 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

I looked at the stats and saw people playing her at sunicum level.

 

Of course its possible to do really well in her its just a) uncommon and b) ridiculously hard!

 

By 'look at her stats' I mean she's currently 24 out of 27 tier 8 cruisers on wows numbers for EU server.

 

I get the impression you will never be convinced however.

[_HomTanks_]

1 minute ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Nah, dont want to get that one Currently out of steel anyway, but with T9 CBs (without CVs - YES!!!) coming up and more ranked, it might fill up sooner rather than later. Wont get FDR out of principle, dont want Austin and why get Shiki? Might aswell just play Yamato for same experience...

 

Is it for sure Austin will be for steel? I must have missed it.

I may get FDR just to grief people. Except that, i don't like griefing much. Even if i get it, i would play her numerous times and she'd be a port queen, so i'm not sure about FDR.

Shiki i have, is okay for randoms. You can get good games in it due to higher number of tatos in randoms. In ranked, i'd prefer Yamato over Shiki.

Austin, won't get it if it is coming out for steel.

 

1 minute ago, DFens_666 said:

 

 

Well we could give them a raft with a handgun they would still get SuperUnicum WR

I'm sure you are better than most of them.

[_HomTanks_]

3 minutes ago, DaddyDare said:

Of course its possible to do really well in her its just a) uncommon and b) ridiculously hard!

 

By 'look at her stats' I mean she's currently 24 out of 27 tier 8 cruisers on wows numbers for EU server.

 

I get the impression you will never be convinced however.

Bro, it's not about getting convinced or not :) I already knew the ship before it came out. Just by simply checking its ship specs in detail, i had the idea about  its pros and cons. So, it was clear to me how it would perform in a random battle more or less depending on the enemy skills, existence of CVs, number and type of DDs, etc.

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, Execute0rder66 said:

Is it for sure Austin will be for steel? I must have missed it.

 

Yep, it will replace Somers in 0.10.2. But i dont think they have anounced the amount yet, but id guess like Plymouth.

 

3 minutes ago, Execute0rder66 said:

I'm sure you are better than most of them.

[MrWastee]

56 minutes ago, DaddyDare said:

What can I say - I saw 'Belfast' and brought her.

 

I'm not complaining - I'm politely requesting.  If you had her you would agree she really needs the buffs.

.... 10 matches yet, let's see

Belfast '43

8

U.K.

10

90%

2 053

44 274

1.1

3.8

Details

 

... nope :)... does the job, at least one dead dd per match yet. so, in doubt a t8 cl for a t10 dd hehe...

 

[Skurfa]

Checking..... just a moment.....

 

Oh, I have her!

 

Buff her!!

[Unfortunate_Son]

2 hours ago, DaddyDare said:

What can I say - I saw 'Belfast' and brought her.

You did exactly what WG expected ppl to do.

[Jethro_Grey]

2 hours ago, DaddyDare said:

What can I say - I saw 'Belfast' and brought her.

 

I'm not complaining - I'm politely requesting.  If you had her you would agree she really needs the buffs.

I have her and I don't think she needs buffs, at least not to the extend you requested. Cause that would make her OP as F. 

 

A minor RoF buff would be nice and/or a maneuverability buff.

Apart from that she's fine.

 

That's WG for you tho, put the name of a known OP ship on a new premium and watch the sales skyrocket. 

 

Heck, we saw so many Ochakovs because it is essentially a down tiered Smolensk.

Too bad for people who bought one without reading about the ship stats, it turned out it ain't a TVIII Smolester. ^^

 

 

You can say about WG and its businesses practices what you want, but they sure as hell know their customers. ^^

[triumphgt6]

Have both - clearly the T7 is better . The T8 is fine but the same RoF as the T7 would make her a lot better - I something choose her and then change to the Edinburgh which is just better.