Update 0.10.1: Italian Battleships

[MBrandis]

Regarding the J vs I debate.....






Like if you want to claim that you deliberately chose one spelling, could you at least stick to it? 

OH and while you are at it, maybe fix the broken latin in the first image because Fortuna is singular and iuvant is plural.....

[NinjacatUK_1]

I got Dante A from prime then bought it with Italian tokens to get to next sequential purchase but never saw any credits in my account

 

 

[gabberworld]

46 minutes ago, NinjacatUK_1 said:

I got Dante A from prime then bought it with Italian tokens to get to next sequential purchase but never saw any credits in my account

 

 

 

it can be that credit  what you get as compensation is soo small that you not notice that , after all its a tier 4 ship

[HBuhring]

49 minutes ago, gabberworld said:

 

I got Dante A from prime then bought it with Italian tokens to get to next sequential purchase but never saw any credits in my account

 I have received something like 950.000 credits

[HBuhring]

3 hours ago, MBrandis said:

OH and while you are at it, maybe fix the broken latin in the first image because Fortuna is singular and iuvant is plural.....

WOW, that's great: three mistakes in three words. It should have been "audaces fortuna iuvat". My Latin teacher would have cried.

 

HB

[MBrandis]

16 hours ago, HBuhring said:

WOW, that's great: three mistakes in three words. It should have been "audaces fortuna iuvat". My Latin teacher would have cried.

 

HB

Or audentes fortuna iuvat or any other pemutation, There are so many to chose from and they chose the one that a) doesn't mean what they think it does and b) is also using wrong grammar. 

Nevermind using j instead of i in "iacta" because it would help the perception of the players (allegedly) but then using i in iuvant...

 

0 effort given. 

[Maris_Piper]

I just thought it said Fortune Favor's those without a Crappy Reload. 

[YabbaCoe]

V 21. 2. 2021 v 16:04 MBrandis řekl/a:

Regarding the J vs I debate.....






Like if you want to claim that you deliberately chose one spelling, could you at least stick to it? 

OH and while you are at it, maybe fix the broken latin in the first image because Fortuna is singular and iuvant is plural.....

Hello. Thank you for bringing this. We will report that and ask for the reason, why this phrase in this format was used...

[gabberworld]

why  Andrea Doria feels like garbage compared the tier 5 Italian ship?

[YabbaCoe]

Před 13 hodinami gabberworld řekl/a:

why  Andrea Doria feels like garbage compared the tier 5 Italian ship?

Why exactly you think, that this ship feels like that? Can you probably make an example where exactly she feel so bad?

[gabberworld]

3 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

Why exactly you think, that this ship feels like that? Can you probably make an example where exactly she feel so bad?

 

im guessing its the dispersion, because i have with Cavour 10k higer average damage. its like Cavour should be  tier 6 ship and Andrea doria should be at tier 5

[YabbaCoe]

Před 2 hodinami gabberworld řekl/a:

 

im guessing its the dispersion, because i have with Cavour 10k higer average damage. its like Cavour should be  tier 6 ship and Andrea doria should be at tier 5

Interesting point. Well their dispersion is not really good in general. Seems that we reached similar "issue" like we had with Guilio Cezare...

[ColonelPete]

2 hours ago, gabberworld said:

 

im guessing its the dispersion, because i have with Cavour 10k higer average damage. its like Cavour should be  tier 6 ship and Andrea doria should be at tier 5

Their dispersion is the same and they have the same sigma. Their shells also have nearly identical flight times (Doria´s are slightly faster).

Cavour has low HP for Tier V is definitely not a Tier VI ship. I do not even know which Tier V tech tree BB I would rate weaker than Cavour.

[gabberworld]

2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Their dispersion is the same and they have the same sigma. Their shells also have nearly identical flight times (Doria´s are slightly faster).

Cavour has low HP for Tier V is definitely not a Tier VI ship. I do not even know which Tier V tech tree BB I would rate weaker than Cavour.

 

i not talked about hp at all. if Cavour would have same hp like its in Andrea doria, it would pump out even more damage

[HBuhring]

52 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Interesting point. Well their dispersion is not really good in general. Seems that we reached similar "issue" like we had with Guilio Cezare... 

 

I don't believe historical accuracy has anything to do with this, but as a matter of fact, the turrets and the barrels of the reconstructed Doria and Cesare classes were the original ones of WWI, only re-bored for 320mm instead of 305. The original 305 guns had a less than perfect dispersion ratio, as usual in Italian artillery, as the emphasis was on range and muzzle velocity; re-boring the barrels to host a larger calibre could only make the problem worse.

 

Moreover it is consistent with historical data is that reload speed and turn ratio on the Doria is faster than on the Cavour: all the hydraulic mechanisms for the movement and reload of the turrets had been completely rebuilt and were in fact quite state of the art. I wonder, however, why the Dunkerque has been given a better reload and turn ratio: the Cavour and Doria were rebuilt to counter the Dunkerque/Strasbourg and were in fact very similar in terms of characteristics.

 

On a more general level, I find it quite baffling how reload times are calculated in the game: 2 rpm for Doria is accurate, but something around 8 rpm for a light cruiser if science fiction for the late Thirties.

 

HB

 

P. S. Please: "Giulio Cesare", not Guilio Cezare

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, gabberworld said:

 

i not talked about hp at all. if Cavour would have same hp like its in Andrea doria, it would pump out even more damage

You were talking about her being a Tier VI ship and I told you that she is too weak for that.

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, HBuhring said:

On a more general level, I find it quite baffling how reload times are calculated in the game: 2 rpm for Doria is accurate, but something around 8 rpm for a light cruiser if science fiction for the late Thirties.

Quote

Designation	15 cm/60 (5.9") SK C/25
Ship Class Used On	Königsberg, Leipzieg and Nürnberg Classes
Date Of Design	1925
Date In Service	1929
Gun Weight	26,389 lbs. (11,970 kg)
Gun Length oa	357.5 in (9.080 m)
Bore Length	337.4 in (8.570 m)
Rifling Length	278.2 in (7.067 m)
Grooves	(44) 0.069 in deep x 0.242 in (1.75 mm x 6.14 mm)
Lands	0.177 in (4.5 mm)
Twist	Increasing RH 1 in 45 to 1 in 30
Chamber Volume	1,690 in3 (27.7 dm3)
Rate Of Fire	Königsberg and Leipzieg classes: 6 to 8 rounds per minute Nürnberg: 10 to 12 rounds per minute

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_59-60_skc25.php

That is late 20s, early/mid 30s...

[YabbaCoe]

Před 17 minutami HBuhring řekl/a:

 

I don't believe historical accuracy has anything to do with this, but as a matter of fact, the turrets and the barrels of the reconstructed Doria and Cesare classes were the original ones of WWI, only re-bored for 320mm instead of 305. The original 305 guns had a less than perfect dispersion ratio, as usual in Italian artillery, as the emphasis was on range and muzzle velocity; re-boring the barrels to host a larger calibre could only make the problem worse.

 

Moreover it is consistent with historical data is that reload speed and turn ratio on the Doria is faster than on the Cavour: all the hydraulic mechanisms for the movement and reload of the turrets had been completely rebuilt and were in fact quite state of the art. I wonder, however, why the Dunkerque has been given a better reload and turn ratio: the Cavour and Doria were rebuilt to counter the Dunkerque/Strasbourg and were in fact very similar in terms of characteristics.

 

On a more general level, I find it quite baffling how reload times are calculated in the game: 2 rpm for Doria is accurate, but something around 8 rpm for a light cruiser if science fiction for the late Thirties.

 

HB

 

P. S. Please: "Giulio Cesare", not Guilio Cezare

Sorry, my typo over there

[gabberworld]

Calvor has center turret , maybe that is key for more damage, who knows

[HBuhring]

7 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

but something around 8 rpm for a light cruiser is science fiction for the late Thirties.

6 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER_59-60_skc25.php

That is late 20s, early/mid 30s...

Probably my consideration is based on Italian guns:

• 152mm 4/6 RPM except for the the very last model, mounted on the Littorio class BB and the Garibaldi class CL, that boasted 8 RPM (but never went over 6 RPM in operational conditions)
• 203mm significantly lower than 4 RPM in all models

As for the BBs, the 320mm of the Cesare and Doria classes were capable of 2 RPM; the 381mm of the Littorio class of 1.33 RPM.

 

It is possible that other navies could do better, as Italian artillery (alas!) was never top notch. I remember, though, the Galissonnière cruisers having a RoF of approx. 6 RPM (and the Dunkerque had an operational RoF of max 2 RPM).

 

HB

[gabberworld]

soo i opened the next italian bb the tier 7 Francesco Caracciolo , and that is not better either. i think they both the tier 6 and 7 italian bbs needs the dispersion buff,. also they not have he shells, they not even can be close for same tier bbs with damage

[YabbaCoe]

Před 2 hodinami gabberworld řekl/a:

soo i opened the next italian bb the tier 7 Francesco Caracciolo , and that is not better either. i think they both the tier 6 and 7 italian bbs needs the dispersion buff,. also they not have he shells, they not even can be close for same tier bbs with damage

Well, imo, they would definitely need some buff. Also, as it is actually with every single line, some ships of that line are stronger comparing to other ships of that tier and some ships are not as good as counterparts.

I have to try Caracciolo myself too, soon

[johncl]

I have an  incredibly negative attitude toward's WG  (#Wallet closed forever)

 

but credit where it is due ...I have tier 4,5,6,7, Italian BBs all done while grinding credits ...So thanks for the ship's

 

My opinion of these ships is ..T4 is a free slot ..Just massive RNG based shooting in not my thing 

T5 is much of the same  T6 however is quite nice  the guns are still wiffy but most are at T6 

 

I don't have T7 yet but will have it today ....

 

Overall from what i see it they are uninspiring nothing new nothing interesting (T4-6) I think T7 will be the same 

 

I won't be grinding this line and will sell T4-5 keeping T6 and may be t7 

[deBanfield]

When will there be the update that puts the Italian Battleships in the tech tree, please? The next one?

[lafeel]

2 hours ago, deBanfield said:

When will there be the update that puts the Italian Battleships in the tech tree, please? The next one?

Won't be till 10,3, so the update after the next.