Update 0.10.1: Italian Battleships

[Asatori]

2 hours ago, TomsonPRD said:

Shame. Shame shame shame.
You had more than 4 (four) months to make two simple adjustments to Vittorio Veneto's model, but you did absolutely nothing.

Also, it's not like getting the actual plans is really THAT difficult (contrary to what you always said about having an hard time accessing the archives, you didn't even try)
And not only that, but instead of making simple but amazing camos like last year's Grigio-azzurro chiaro you created the undoubtedly worst permacamos in the entire game.

How could you even miss the chance to add rostra to those confused heaps of junk, they would've at the very least made them slightly more bearable

 

 

No no no, glorious russian comrades make no mistake. 

All ships are represented accurately in the game as the dry dock videos keep saying.

In the case of Vittorio Veneto the blue prints and all historical documentation is therefor incorrect.. 

[Asatori]

 

1 hour ago, YabbaCoe said:

It is never directly said, how long data gathering and evaluation takes and that certain action needs to be taken after that. We are still analyzing the impact of all skills and their performance.

 

Most of the community didn't even need to test anything to tell you it's broken before it went live. Why do the developers implement trash mechanics that everyone knows are broken and then they need even more time to confirm it's broken?

 

Developer braincells: error 404 (not found)

[WWDragon]

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VI Erich Loewenhardt bombers received similar sound effects to VIII Graf Zeppelin's bombers.

 

Well at least some good news ...

As you are at it, can you make Graf Zeppelin's bombers have the same reticle and accuracy as Erich Loewenhardt bombers?

[HystericalAccuracy]

3 hours ago, TomsonPRD said:

making simple but amazing camos like last year's Grigio-azzurro chiaro

These were:

A) realistic

B) beautiful

 

Instead we get circus-BS again

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Apparently someone in WG is upset with my complaints and denies me my free day premium. But listen dude, your camo still sucks  

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[Maris_Piper]

Alas WG will do as they wish as usual every change is perfect and every one a Hill to Die On in it's Defense. At least two of them interest me a little the reload on some is not glacial so that's an improvement on the US Battlesnails at least, Time will tell, at least my Roma is fairly safe, well hopefully anyway.

[S_h_i_v_a]

3 ore fa, The_EURL_Guy ha scritto:

Early Access Italian battleships, Clan Battles, Ranked Season 2, updated Brawls, and many other new things.

Read it on the portal

Question:

this patch removes some coal  ships like Georgia and Thunderer.

You still did not tell us what ships are replacing them, even if i suspect there will be at least another italian BB like T9 Marco Polo.

Info please?

 

 

[416taylor]

4 minutes ago, S_h_i_v_a said:

Question:

this patch removes some coal  ships like Georgia and Thunderer.

You still did not tell us what ships are replacing them, even if i suspect there will be at least another italian BB like T9 Marco Polo.

Info please?

 

 

They will not announes any premiumships before the release they are dumb and their lips are sealed. They don't know anything before it just happens

[_Houmer_]

32 minutes ago, VIadoCro said:

 

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Apparently someone in WG is upset with my complaints and denies me my free day premium. But listen dude, your camo still sucks  

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Just refresh the page and you will see that you are not be logged in. There is a timeout for every login but the webpage wont show it until you refresh. 

[wot_2016_gunner]

3 ore fa, TomsonPRD ha scritto:

And not only that, but instead of making simple but amazing camos like last year's Grigio-azzurro chiaro you created the undoubtedly worst permacamos in the entire game.

YEAH, i wanted those , but instead we get these  ones (which kinda trigger me since i'm italian) that make the Kobayashi Roma camo look godtier (technically that camo is fine but, you know, the beer can); the Doria and Caracciolo camos are not too bad; they aren't great, but they are not the worst ones; the Tier 8,9 and 10 camos are "WTH happened here". 

You can argue that the Halloween camos also look bad, look wise, but those are supposed to look bad; these ones make me want to vomit.

[416taylor]

1 hour ago, wot_2016_gunner said:

YEAH, i wanted those , but instead we get these  ones (which kinda trigger me since i'm italian) that make the Kobayashi Roma camo look godtier (technically that camo is fine but, you know, the beer can); the Doria and Caracciolo camos are not too bad; they aren't great, but they are not the worst ones; the Tier 8,9 and 10 camos are "WTH happened here". 

You can argue that the Halloween camos also look bad, look wise, but those are supposed to look bad; these ones make me want to vomit.

Be happy they didn't exchange beercan to a palmtree. you know they have a lot of vodca in russia. you have a lot of Perazzis

[hgbn_dk]

3 hours ago, VIadoCro said:

 

Instead we get circus-BS again

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What else do you expect from a Circus run by clowns???

[MBrandis]

I have a question - is there nobody in the wargaming offices around the world that can spell latin in a correct manner? 

[Ljacks1118]

why do the italian battleships have limited range and poor accuracy?

 

In reality the Ansaldo M1934 15 inch guns that armed the littorios could out range and penetrate more than both yamato and the Iowa class (out ranging the Iowas by almost 4km...) curious why the decision to limit thier range was taken as well as punishing thier accuracy?

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

Yeah keep removing ships in the name of 'diversity'. ROFL.

[YabbaCoe]

Před 16 hodinami S_h_i_v_a řekl/a:

Question:

this patch removes some coal  ships like Georgia and Thunderer.

You still did not tell us what ships are replacing them, even if i suspect there will be at least another italian BB like T9 Marco Polo.

Info please?

 

 

Unfortunately no info about possible addition of new coal ships to Armory. We will let you know as soon as we will know more info.

 

Před 11 hodinami MBrandis řekl/a:

I have a question - is there nobody in the wargaming offices around the world that can spell latin in a correct manner? 

What exactly do you have in mind?

[Klopirat]

8 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

What exactly do you have in mind?

I guess it is about the  'I' instead of the 'J' in the perma camos

(https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/146319-italian-t4-bb-dante-alighieri-ea-for-prime-users-only/?do=findComment&comment=3779344)

[Hugh_Ruka]

So for this patch I'll play Khabarovsk (randoms) and Kitakaze (ranked) with Alaska/Edi with an unspecced captain in coop.

 

I wonder how much usefull data WG can realistically gather when there might be a lot of people doing the same. Reducing their active ships to something they either enjoy and have a working build for or to something they can grind missions in coop with. Or alternatively, rotating the same captain no their available premiums to get him/her to 21 points asap.

 

I bet nobody at WG paid any attention to that. It rather heavily skews the data gathered which will lead to further wrong decisions down the line.

[YabbaCoe]

Před 1 hodinou Klopirat řekl/a:

I guess it is about the  'I' instead of the 'J' in the perma camos

(https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/146319-italian-t4-bb-dante-alighieri-ea-for-prime-users-only/?do=findComment&comment=3779344)

We know about that and we also tried to raise this issue before.

We also received an info, that though this is known worldwide in latin "Alea iacta est", it was decided to use modern latin for every sentence you can meet during upcoming updates.

So it is a modern interpretation of latin, which was also used during WWII, so it is still correct.

 

Před 15 minutami Hugh_Ruka řekl/a:

So for this patch I'll play Khabarovsk (randoms) and Kitakaze (ranked) with Alaska/Edi with an unspecced captain in coop.

 

I wonder how much usefull data WG can realistically gather when there might be a lot of people doing the same. Reducing their active ships to something they either enjoy and have a working build for or to something they can grind missions in coop with. Or alternatively, rotating the same captain no their available premiums to get him/her to 21 points asap.

 

I bet nobody at WG paid any attention to that. It rather heavily skews the data gathered which will lead to further wrong decisions down the line.

Well, what is wrong, that players are playing their favourite ships/captains in their favourite game mode?

[Hugh_Ruka]

1 minute ago, YabbaCoe said:

Well, what is wrong, that players are playing their favourite ships/captains in their favourite game mode?

You don't understand or you don't want to understand.

 

Let me spell this out clearly: I will stop playing 95% of the ships that I used to play (and enjoyed) because of the captain rework. This will inevitably invalidate any data my account will contribute to the evaluation of the captain rework in any way other than that I don't like it as a whole. But I doubt anybody at WG is trying to look at it this way.

 

And there will be many others like me. Is that clear now?

[YabbaCoe]

Před 2 minutami Hugh_Ruka řekl/a:

You don't understand or you don't want to understand.

 

Let me spell this out clearly: I will stop playing 95% of the ships that I used to play (and enjoyed) because of the captain rework. This will inevitably invalidate any data my account will contribute to the evaluation of the captain rework in any way other than that I don't like it as a whole. But I doubt anybody at WG is trying to look at it this way.

 

And there will be many others like me. Is that clear now?

When we gather data and analyze them, we also take a look on usage of those ships per certain time and their statistics. So we will definitely also see those changes of number of battles played with any ship.

[MBrandis]

1 hour ago, YabbaCoe said:

We also received an info, that though this is known worldwide in latin "Alea iacta est", it was decided to use modern latin for every sentence you can meet during upcoming updates.

So it is a modern interpretation of latin, which was also used during WWII, so it is still correct.

No. It is not. This phrase is not spelled with a j because everybody understands that it is a classical latin quote. And It was definitely not spelled with a j whenever it was quoted in WWII literature or literally any history book. 

If you want to claim the Italian Navy had some sort of convention where they actually spelled it with a J during WWII I will need some examples of that. 

Furthermore, the argument makes no sense. Russian ships in the game use old Russian that is not used in modern Russian alphabet either. So why the double standard? 

 

 

[MojaEkscelencja]

5 minutes ago, MBrandis said:

 So why the double standard? 

That's because they made a mistake and don't want to fix it.

So they are looking for any explanation to prove that it is a feature and not a bug.

[YabbaCoe]

Před 2 minutami MBrandis řekl/a:

No. It is not. This phrase is not spelled with a j because everybody understands that it is a classical latin quote. And It was definitely not spelled with a j whenever it was quoted in WWII literature or literally any history book. 

Furthermore, the argument makes no sense. Russian ships in the game use old Russian that is not used in modern Russian alphabet either. So why the double standard? 

 

 

As I mentioned, for thise latin we decided to used modern perception, using transliteration in modern letters. So for latin we use this style, which was actually used often during the time period of history.

So this style was used even for classical latin quotes, as if we would use two different styles there, it would be very confusing.

I don't know the exact info about usage of this transliteration in modern letters myself, but I got that info from Italians and also literature specialists.

[MojaEkscelencja]

11 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

As I mentioned, for thise latin we decided to used modern perception, using transliteration in modern letters. So for latin we use this style, which was actually used often during the time period of history.

So this style was used even for classical latin quotes, as if we would use two different styles there, it would be very confusing.

I don't know the exact info about usage of this transliteration in modern letters myself, but I got that info from Italians and also literature specialists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alea_iacta_est

 

"iacta" or "jacta"?

[MBrandis]

9 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

As I mentioned, for thise latin we decided to used modern perception, using transliteration in modern letters. So for latin we use this style, which was actually used often during the time period of history.

So this style was used even for classical latin quotes, as if we would use two different styles there, it would be very confusing.

No, even modern works use the classical spelling when referring to the famous quote by Caesar attributed to him by Sueton. 

 

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I don't know the exact info about usage of this transliteration in modern letters myself, but I got that info from Italians and also literature specialists.

Citation needed. I can go to my bookshelf right now and pick up any of my 100+ books on latin and roman history and I can guarantee you not a single one spells it with a j. 

Do I need to scan and post my degrees here as well? 


EDIT: Even more importantly, it is generally considered best practice to use the original language when citing a quote. This being classical latin.