endless +200% xp

[jupp3]

So I have played 9 matches today but I still have all +200 % exp:s left! much wow

 

What's the point of xp boosts when you actually have absolutely no chance of getting them?

Do something about the useless camping bb's or at least I'm done for good.

[Yedwy]

[jupp3]

also, a serious note: missions and boost that require victory are really ruining the game experience, because we have so little we can do about it. I'm above average and cant really win games.

 

at least give the boost if we are in top 3 of losing team or something.

[neorvo]

46 minutes ago, jupp3 said:

So I have played 9 matches today but I still have all +200 % exp:s left! much wow

 

What's the point of xp boosts when you actually have absolutely no chance of getting them?

 

It is an offer. Have that option doesn't harm us.

[ColonelPete]

52 minutes ago, jupp3 said:

So I have played 9 matches today but I still have all +200 % exp:s left! much wow

 

What's the point of xp boosts when you actually have absolutely no chance of getting them?

Do something about the useless camping bb's or at least I'm done for good.

Maybe you should solve that problem internally.

[DFens_666]

200% winbonus is a trap.

All the noobs come out and want to get the bonus, so you are left with even more suiciding morons. Only waste flags and camos, because chances of getting a decent win seem to be quite low during those events. Often its just a faceroll win or loss, which means mediocre XP in either case.

Best not to play randoms when we have 200% bonus, and use flags/camos for Brawls or something, where you get 2500 XP guaranteed (in a win ofc).

[jupp3]

1 hour ago, neorvo said:

It is an offer. Have that option doesn't harm us.

it does though. Read message above.

[jupp3]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

Maybe you should solve that problem internally.

I cant because I'm only little above average player with about 53 % victory rate and I play solo. I cant carry teams that have multiple 43 % players. Team loses 4 ships in 3 minutes and all BB's camp behind one island until loss.

 

Also, I cant lose in team with +70 % division.

 

It's not my call except for about 6 % of the games, and in weekends like this, the ratio is even smaller. I should not get punished for this, all I want is some +200 % XP rewards if I play for 3-4 hours. Now its totally possible that I get NONE.

 

[22cm]

1 hour ago, DFens_666 said:

All the noobs come out and want to get the bonus, so you are left with even more suiciding morons. Only waste flags and camos, because chances of getting a decent win seem to be quite low during those events. Often its just a faceroll win or loss, which means mediocre XP in either case.

Exactly...

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, jupp3 said:

I cant because I'm only little above average player with about 53 % victory rate and I play solo.

I doubt there is nothing you can do. Look at your matches and try to find out what you could have done better.

[neorvo]

40 minutes ago, jupp3 said:

it does though. Read message above. 

For co-ops I think is not a bad option

[Skurfa]

You’re dragging out the elitists and their valuable advice by posting a thread like this.

 

So pay attention, and keep posting similar thread to get more advice

[Psychatogg]

This game has serious problem - something like 30 - 35% of games you cannot win, lost on the loading screen... therefore you are wasting 30-35% of your time for nothing. Maybe its just me, but I want to join a game where I have a fair chance to win every battle, not being handicapped from the start - otherwise there is no point joining the game.

[DFens_666]

25 minutes ago, Psychatogg said:

This game has serious problem - something like 30 - 35% of games you cannot win, lost on the loading screen... therefore you are wasting 30-35% of your time for nothing. Maybe its just me, but I want to join a game where I have a fair chance to win every battle, not being handicapped from the start - otherwise there is no point joining the game.

 

And how would that work out if you are only 1 out of 12 guys in your team?

[ColonelPete]

39 minutes ago, Psychatogg said:

This game has serious problem - something like 30 - 35% of games you cannot win, lost on the loading screen... therefore you are wasting 30-35% of your time for nothing. Maybe its just me, but I want to join a game where I have a fair chance to win every battle, not being handicapped from the start - otherwise there is no point joining the game.

Have you ever played a competitive team sport? Have you won all your matches?

[Psychatogg]

Před 20 minutami DFens_666 řekl/a:

 

And how would that work out if you are only 1 out of 12 guys in your team?

Well, at first :

1) make divisions be matched against each other based on skill - would not imbalancing of the whole game that much. Each team must have the same division (tier,ship types).

2) divide players into leagues according to the range of their WR ( Bronze league for players up to 47%, silver for 48-53% and gold 54-unlimited or somehow like that).

3) include some smart system to monitor radars etc., each side no need to have exactly the same number, but no more games where 1 side 3 radars, another none.

4) Balance maps to the state where one side is not at a disadvantage, overall maps need more attention from WG

5) balance ships, carefully watch powercreeped ships and buff them.  make tier spread only +-1

6) Also all ships should be accessible by players - no more exclusive kamikaze owners etc., all can be purchased (by coal,steel,Fxp)

 

 

That would be a good start. Would not make it perfect, but would be step towards better balance.

[Psychatogg]

Před 6 minutami ColonelPete řekl/a:

Have you ever played a competitive team sport? Have you won all your matches?

Yes, I did. For example Starcraft II, team battles - none of the 3 races feels imbalanced, overall perfectly balanced game - Esport. Why are WG titles not recognized by Esport scene then, if all is ok?

 

I do get the point you are pointing out, however sometimes in ships it feels not balanced not due to player skill, but RNG and other factors influence the outcome too much. Take football, all play on 1 pitch, everything is the same, just the player skill vary, nobody has better superboots with which he can jump over half of the pitch, or something like that.

[DFens_666]

5 minutes ago, Psychatogg said:

Well, at first :

1) make divisions be matched against each other based on skill - would not imbalancing of the whole game that much. Each team must have the same division (tier,ship types).

2) divide players into leagues according to the range of their WR ( Bronze league for players up to 47%, silver for 48-53% and gold 54-unlimited or somehow like that). 

3) include some smart system to monitor radars etc., each side no need to have exactly the same number, but no more games where 1 side 3 radars, another none. 

4) Balance maps to the state where one side is not at a disadvantage, overall maps need more attention from WG

5) balance ships, carefully watch powercreeped ships and buff them.  make tier spread only +-1

6) Also all ships should be accessible by players - no more exclusive kamikaze owners etc., all can be purchased (by coal,steel,Fxp)

7) Watch carefuly about powercre

 

1) might aswell remove divisions then, because certain people/divisions would sit in queue indefinetely, especially during off-hours.

2) So if everyone has 47% WR, what will eventually happen? They get 50% WR! Same for people with >54% WR, because its impossible to maintain that WR, if 12 people win and 12 people lose. Also the groups would look like this:

<47% WR: Half of the playerbase

48-53% WR: Like 40+% of the playerbase, too lazy to check, might be like 45% or so

>54% WR: what is left, so basicly 5% of the playerbase. They couldnt play at all anymore.

 

3) in general yes, MM could look into radar distribution. The problem are ships, which often dont have radar, and get a benefit if the enemy doesnt know that they are running radar (RN CLs, PA DDs). Which would be kinda unfair if MM would reveal them as radar-carrying ships.

4) true, some maps feel unbalanced at times. I guess WG has the data, and might not feel like they need to change anything. Or its not unbalanced in the first place - who knows

6) thats part of their business-model so... unlikely that its gonna change. Also, then every tier would look like TX now: Everything is Thunderer and Halland. Which is not fun. ofc if they would balance them better... But people might just pick the next best thing after that.

[ColonelPete]

19 minutes ago, Psychatogg said:

Yes, I did. For example Starcraft II, team battles - none of the 3 races feels imbalanced, overall perfectly balanced game - Esport. Why are WG titles not recognized by Esport scene then, if all is ok?

 

I do get the point you are pointing out, however sometimes in ships it feels not balanced not due to player skill, but RNG and other factors influence the outcome too much. Take football, all play on 1 pitch, everything is the same, just the player skill vary, nobody has better superboots with which he can jump over half of the pitch, or something like that.

And? Did you win all your matches? No? Did you give up when you realized that you cannot win all matches?

 

And yes, SC has 3 races. WoWs has over 300 ships. And no, the ships are not the reason for a loss.

24 minutes ago, Psychatogg said:

Well, at first :

1) make divisions be matched against each other based on skill - would not imbalancing of the whole game that much. Each team must have the same division (tier,ship types).

2) divide players into leagues according to the range of their WR ( Bronze league for players up to 47%, silver for 48-53% and gold 54-unlimited or somehow like that).

3) include some smart system to monitor radars etc., each side no need to have exactly the same number, but no more games where 1 side 3 radars, another none.

4) Balance maps to the state where one side is not at a disadvantage, overall maps need more attention from WG

5) balance ships, carefully watch powercreeped ships and buff them.  make tier spread only +-1

6) Also all ships should be accessible by players - no more exclusive kamikaze owners etc., all can be purchased (by coal,steel,Fxp)

1. How do you measure skill? How long are divisions supposed to wait for division of the same skill, tier, shipy types?
2. That is ok for the initial setup. But how do players move from league to league?
3. People thought so about DD too. WG fixed that. Did not change a thing...
4. WG does that all the time.
5. Balance could be better, but is not the problem. Reduction of Tier spread will not change a thing. See Ranked...
6. After point 5, that should not matter.

[Psychatogg]

Před 9 minutami DFens_666 řekl/a:

 

1) might aswell remove divisions then, because certain people/divisions would sit in queue indefinetely, especially during off-hours.

2) So if everyone has 47% WR, what will eventually happen? They get 50% WR! Same for people with >54% WR, because its impossible to maintain that WR, if 12 people win and 12 people lose. Also the groups would look like this:

<47% WR: Half of the playerbase

48-53% WR: Like 40+% of the playerbase, too lazy to check, might be like 45% or so

>54% WR: what is left, so basicly 5% of the playerbase. They couldnt play at all anymore.

 

3) in general yes, MM could look into radar distribution. The problem are ships, which often dont have radar, and get a benefit if the enemy doesnt know that they are running radar (RN CLs, PA DDs). Which would be kinda unfair if MM would reveal them as radar-carrying ships.

4) true, some maps feel unbalanced at times. I guess WG has the data, and might not feel like they need to change anything. Or its not unbalanced in the first place - who knows

6) thats part of their business-model so... unlikely that its gonna change. Also, then every tier would look like TX now: Everything is Thunderer and Halland. Which is not fun. ofc if they would balance them better... But people might just pick the next best thing after that.

1) Well, I get your point, but then the game is unfair to the side with mm putting divsion of 3 ppl with WR 45%, I think it is affecting the overall balance a lot. Many times, I even see one team has division and the other not. Could be that the division will be matched to the nearest division of their skill - some imbalance would be there, but during peak hours, the game experience might be improved for all.

2) this is not well thought idea from me - just there was something similar in SC2, you had to progress leagues and rating. Progressing to the next league was very hard, need to qualify and can be demoted. It worked there, I quite liked the concept. But in this case, might not work.

 

I think RNG is way too much affecting the outcomes too - I think this is for the sake of keeping "not so good" players in the game, I get their business model, no1 would play game where he gets instagibbed by veterans. Thats why SC2 population decreased, the game was too much about skill and people left, only progaming scene stayed.

 

I know nothing will change much, just I feel the game could be much better if more attention will be payed to the core problems - I doubt that WG will do anything meaningful. This game has a lot potential, but WG is somehow killing it.

[jupp3]

thanks for good answers despite poor original post.

 

The unwinnable/unlosable matches really are issue. When it doesn't matter whether you play or not, why play at all?

Seriously, at least giive some kind of "punishments" to 42 % players. I mean, it takes constant idiotism to lose that much - just think how hard it is to achieve 58 % WR. There is something wrong with the game too, if it allows that kind of behaviour. I'm talking about island huggers and "i'm just having fun" - players in their premium BB's.

 

And too much depends on victories like daily missions/bonuses/campaigns etc. GIVE BONUSES TO LOSERS WHO PLAY WELL TOO.

 

 

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, jupp3 said:

Seriously, at least giive some kind of "punishments" to 42 % players.

Considering the credits and XP earnings, I think they are punished enough.

[jupp3]

 

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Considering the credits and XP earnings, I think they are punished enough.

they dont care about those things. Send them to forced co-op or "training mode" where they must obey some basic rules before they are given permission to play pvp.

 

No need for too much, just to eliminate <45 % game ruiners.

 

 

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, jupp3 said:

 

they dont care about those things. Send them to forced co-op or "training mode" where they must obey some basic rules before they are given permission to play pvp.

 

No need for too much, just to eliminate <45 % game ruiners.

You cannot forbidd players to play your game, especially when it is around 24% of your playerbase.

[lafeel]

8 minutes ago, jupp3 said:

 

they dont care about those things. Send them to forced co-op or "training mode" where they must obey some basic rules before they are given permission to play pvp.

 

No need for too much, just to eliminate <45 % game ruiners.

 

 

They have every right to play the game, just like you. As long as they're not breaking any game rules, and most of them are not. 

 

Get off your high horse dude.