[HIME] Wedontneedmoregrippen Players 70 posts Report post #1 Posted February 8, 2021 Why BCs cant inherit BBs skills? They are quite different from "normal" cruisers as burn longer and have BB like dispersion. Propose -> can get fire prevention and Dead Eye skills for BC. Get 32mm overal plates is another good idea. Dont exist lower lvl BC than T9. Khronstadt, Alaska, PB, Azuma, Yoshino in bad position now. Cant say anything from germans as dont have any. Moskva and Velencia count as normal but can count BC too. 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #2 Posted February 8, 2021 Does the Cruiser skilltree lack vital skills for many Cruisers? Yes it does, and not only for BCs. But they surely dont need deadeye, and most certainly they dont deserve 32mm plating, especially on T9. They would become virtually immune against BBs when toptier, since the only T9 BB which can overmatch 32mm armor is Musashi. VeNEZIA does not need tanking skills like BCs. BCs were often just overpowered compared to their smaller cousins anyway, so a small nerf was definetely in order for some of them. Surely removing access to all tankskills is bad, and hopefully they change something about it. Easy solution just give them 45 sec fire duration like Graf Spee, that would already solve the issue of not having access to BoS anymore. Or just rework the Cruiser skilltree from scratch again, half of it is garbage anyway, and its missing several useful skills. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,374 posts 11,735 battles Report post #3 Posted February 8, 2021 Sure, to give them even more advantages over pleb-tech-tree cruisers. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPURD] Itwastuesday Players 1,768 posts 13,581 battles Report post #4 Posted February 8, 2021 How are they in a bad position? Azuma is better than ever, I just got Alaska and it seems pretty bonkers to me with the excellent guns and nonexistent citadel. Until they have their own actual class, they need to have some weakness, because they occupy a cruiser slot. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAD] Miscommunication_dept Players 5,512 posts 24,441 battles Report post #5 Posted February 9, 2021 9 hours ago, Itwastuesday said: How are they in a bad position? Azuma is better than ever, I just got Alaska and it seems pretty bonkers to me with the excellent guns and nonexistent citadel. Until they have their own actual class, they need to have some weakness, because they occupy a cruiser slot. I think that's basically it. It's very hard to balance these against standard cruisers. Most of the time I'd prefer to be in a standard cruiser in a 1 vs 1 as, once angled, a cruiser can mitigate super cruiser AP very effectively. Of course, normal cruisers can get blapped. My only issue is the lack of fire prevention or a lowered fire duration. Fires are the most annoying way of being killed and supercruisers are currently the most susceptible to them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] SV_Kompresor Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 5,868 posts Report post #6 Posted February 9, 2021 You want to buff venezia and alaska? Are you drunk? Let's not do that please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAD] Miscommunication_dept Players 5,512 posts 24,441 battles Report post #7 Posted February 9, 2021 1 minute ago, SV_Kompresor said: You want to buff venezia and alaska? Are you drunk? Venezia is not a super cruiser. It’s done very very well out of the commander rework. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NMA] Prophecy82 Players 3,362 posts 26,028 battles Report post #8 Posted February 9, 2021 LOL! Kronstahdt + Deadeye.... must stop drooling! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HIME] Wedontneedmoregrippen Players 70 posts Report post #9 Posted February 9, 2021 OK, but when Azuma/ Yoshino count as BC with poor armor why Moskva/Henry/Velencia count as "Normal Cruiser"? They are huge ships with big or many guns... If Ship count as BC now just debuf that ship with longer fire duration without some BB skill. From full HP angled Azuma/ Yoshino can be deleted 1 BB salvo Moskva is not... But burn longer and eat more damage from HE shells feels balanced. Kronstahdt without Deadeye has worse dispersion AND sigma than some high tier BB... BB can select this skill BCs are NOT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[--] Captain_Newman Players 2,147 posts 16,474 battles Report post #10 Posted February 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, gopher31 said: Venezia is not a super cruiser. It’s done very very well out of the commander rework. It’s not, but it occupies the same cruiser slot as supercruisers do, which would mean she would receive buffs along side if it was done the way the op proposed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-RNR-] Tanaka_15 Beta Tester 2,514 posts 20,269 battles Report post #11 Posted February 9, 2021 Yeh give yoshino deadeye and alaska to. Why not, what could possibly go wrong with this amazing idea? Camone we got WG guys for this kinde of things do not give them ideas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[--] Captain_Newman Players 2,147 posts 16,474 battles Report post #12 Posted February 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Wedontneedmoregrippen said: OK, but when Azuma/ Yoshino count as BC with poor armor why Moskva/Henry/Velencia count as "Normal Cruiser"? Because the cruiser type is determined by caliber only, not by armor (so a 203mm main battery would be a CA, a 152mm a CL, for example). This is due to a rl naval treaty, it’s not something wg made up. Cruiser type determination has nothing to do with armor. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NMA] Prophecy82 Players 3,362 posts 26,028 battles Report post #13 Posted February 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Wedontneedmoregrippen said: Kronstahdt without Deadeye has worse dispersion AND sigma than some high tier BB... And there is a very good reason for this: Go to practice battle, grab a Stalingrad and shoot some bot- Yorcks.... maybe you will see it then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #14 Posted February 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Wedontneedmoregrippen said: OK, but when Azuma/ Yoshino count as BC with poor armor why Moskva/Henry/Velencia count as "Normal Cruiser"? They are huge ships with big or many guns... Azuma/Yoshino 310mm caliber guns Henri 240mm Moskva 220mm Venezia 203mm Yoshino basicly has the same armor as Henri and Venezia - plating wise. 25mm bow/stern and 30mm midsection. Only Moskva has better armor with 50mm midsection, but instead, Moskva has so much worse concealment Azuma/Yoshino have 11,88km, Moskva has 14,1km... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[JG4] JG4_sKylon Players 1,133 posts 20,992 battles Report post #15 Posted February 9, 2021 10 hours ago, ForlornSailor said: Sure, to give them even more advantages over pleb-tech-tree cruisers. WG seeing this post: we appreciate your feedback, Yuri will prog deadeye and FP for big cruisers soon 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAD] Miscommunication_dept Players 5,512 posts 24,441 battles Report post #16 Posted February 9, 2021 36 minutes ago, Wedontneedmoregrippen said: OK, but when Azuma/ Yoshino count as BC with poor armor why Moskva/Henry/Velencia count as "Normal Cruiser"? They are huge ships with big or many guns... If Ship count as BC now just debuf that ship with longer fire duration without some BB skill. From full HP angled Azuma/ Yoshino can be deleted 1 BB salvo Moskva is not... But burn longer and eat more damage from HE shells feels balanced. Kronstahdt without Deadeye has worse dispersion AND sigma than some high tier BB... BB can select this skill BCs are NOT. Kronstadt has standard cruiser sigma but it's dispersion is that of a battleship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VC381 Players 2,928 posts 6,549 battles Report post #17 Posted February 9, 2021 3 hours ago, gopher31 said: Kronstadt has standard cruiser sigma but it's dispersion is that of a battleship. It isn't, the super-cruisers have their own dispersion formula in between battleships and regular cruisers. Kronshtadt is plenty accurate considering it also has 18 second reload, which most BBs do not even come close to. You want to know what true cruiser dispersion on super-cruisers would do? Look at Siegfried, which is already a monster, then give it 9 guns instead of 6 and shave 5 seconds off the reload. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #18 Posted February 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, VC381 said: It isn't, the super-cruisers have their own dispersion formula in between battleships and regular cruisers. Kronshtadt is plenty accurate considering it also has 18 second reload, which most BBs do not even come close to. Kronshtadt uses USN BB dispersion formula (same as okto). Azuma/Yoshino also use a different formula, which is better than the other BCs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VC381 Players 2,928 posts 6,549 battles Report post #19 Posted February 9, 2021 Just now, DFens_666 said: Kronshtadt uses USN BB dispersion formula (same as okto). Azuma/Yoshino also use a different formula, which is better than the other BCs. Huh... OK, I stand corrected. But Alaska and Agir use Graf Spee formula, right? I thought they were all Graf Spee formula (except Siegfried). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #20 Posted February 9, 2021 Just now, VC381 said: Huh... OK, I stand corrected. But Alaska and Agir use Graf Spee formula, right? I thought they were all Graf Spee formula (except Siegfried). Yep, Alaska, Stalin, Ägir and Graf Spee use the same formula. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Excavatus [THESO] Moderator 4,705 posts 17,888 battles Report post #21 Posted February 9, 2021 4 hours ago, SV_Kompresor said: Let's not do that please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAD] Miscommunication_dept Players 5,512 posts 24,441 battles Report post #22 Posted February 9, 2021 I like the OP. With 32mm plating, all these supercruisers should be in matchmaking as battleships. Most of them would still be strong in that situation. Probably all of them would be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] Deckeru_Maiku Beta Tester 6,636 posts 24,864 battles Report post #23 Posted February 9, 2021 38 minutes ago, Excavatus said: 350 × 197 This is now a Deadpool thread! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humorpalanta ∞ Players 2,025 posts 13,785 battles Report post #24 Posted February 9, 2021 Yes yes yes, definitely! Stalins, Yoshinos and Alaskas with Deadeye and Venezia with +20% SAP damage :D 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOATY] The_Chiv Players 1,592 posts 18,060 battles Report post #25 Posted February 9, 2021 16 hours ago, Wedontneedmoregrippen said: Why BCs cant inherit BBs skills? They are quite different from "normal" cruisers as burn longer and have BB like dispersion. Propose -> can get fire prevention and Dead Eye skills for BC. Get 32mm overal plates is another good idea. Dont exist lower lvl BC than T9. Khronstadt, Alaska, PB, Azuma, Yoshino in bad position now. Cant say anything from germans as dont have any. Moskva and Velencia count as normal but can count BC too. While I would love for cruisers and Super cruisers to be in a better place this just seems like a bad idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
