How Nice a flying Kitakami

[Genie_of_the_Lamp]

I want to ask WG why they have reworked the whole gameplay for CV 's and then for one Carrier; they made an exception and its even worse.

 

Because in the older patches the torpedoplanes could throw  9 torps or 6 in one strike and then move away.

 

Now they have put a CV in the premium shop that can launch a flying Kitakami that can throw up 3 times a torpedo wave of 9 torpedoes.

 

What the hell is this??? Can someone explain to me what could be the weak point of the FDR???  Planes have maybe less HP?? I havent noticed it.

[arquata2019_]

4 minuti fa, Genie_of_the_Lamp ha scritto:

I want to ask WG why they have reworked the whole gameplay for CV 's and then for one Carrier; they made an exception and its even worse.

 

Because in the older patches the torpedoplanes could throw  9 torps or 6 in one strike and then move away.

 

Now they have put a CV in the premium shop that can launch a flying Kitakami that can throw up 3 times a torpedo wave of 9 torpedoes.

 

What the hell is this??? Can someone explain to me what could be the weak point of the FDR???  Planes have maybe less HP?? I havent noticed it.

i would love having RTS cvs back...

i guess that you had to be smart to use them, that's why i want them back

[DFens_666]

3 minutes ago, Genie_of_the_Lamp said:

3 times a torpedo wave of 9 torpedoes.

 

7 times 8 torps

 

3 minutes ago, Genie_of_the_Lamp said:

CV in the premium shop

 

Nah, cant buy FDR, its only available for Steel.

 

4 minutes ago, Genie_of_the_Lamp said:

Planes have maybe less HP??

 

 

They are the tankiest planes in the game, they have an INSANE amount of HP.

[Lieut_Gruber]

I just got the FDR, it is my only way to enjoy the game atm, bombing the crap out of the Deadeye crowd in the back 

[The_Chiv]

17 minutes ago, Genie_of_the_Lamp said:

I want to ask WG why they have reworked the whole gameplay for CV 's and then for one Carrier; they made an exception and its even worse.

 

Because in the older patches the torpedoplanes could throw  9 torps or 6 in one strike and then move away.

 

Now they have put a CV in the premium shop that can launch a flying Kitakami that can throw up 3 times a torpedo wave of 9 torpedoes.

 

What the hell is this??? Can someone explain to me what could be the weak point of the FDR???  Planes have maybe less HP?? I havent noticed it.

old kita trops hit for 20k each, could put out 40 of them and they went 20km. Would have to hit with most of its torps to even dream of hitting 20k and even then that is not an easy thing to do.

[Miscommunication_dept]

10 minutes ago, Lieut_Gruber said:

I just got the FDR, it is my only way to enjoy the game atm, bombing the crap out of the Deadeye crowd in the back 

My thoughts exactly! 
1000 steel away.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Don’t worry the torps are very weak and it will probably only get 4 drops on you.

 

If you can’t take 32 torps than you clearly are a potato!!

[Jethro_Grey]

30 minutes ago, Lieut_Gruber said:

I just got the FDR, it is my only way to enjoy the game atm, bombing the crap out of the Deadeye crowd in the back 

I have the Steel - and a coupon ready - however, i am waiting to see whether WG brings back the Kitakami or not.

With my luck, i buy any of teh steel ships and WG announces the return of the Kitakami a day later.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 10 Minuten, Jethro_Grey sagte:

i am waiting to see whether WG brings back the Kitakami or not.

I gave up on this. 

[totally_potato]

1 hour ago, Genie_of_the_Lamp said:

I want to ask WG why they have reworked the whole gameplay for CV 's and then for one Carrier; they made an exception and its even worse.

 

Because in the older patches the torpedoplanes could throw  9 torps or 6 in one strike and then move away.

 

Now they have put a CV in the premium shop that can launch a flying Kitakami that can throw up 3 times a torpedo wave of 9 torpedoes.

 

What the hell is this??? Can someone explain to me what could be the weak point of the FDR???  Planes have maybe less HP?? I havent noticed it.

They reworked the whole class, there is no exceptions. I do like the fact that you are not eating it all at ones and have some mitigation tools against the next air runs. So before U could eat like 8, now you mostly eat 4, with proper manuvering and and what's left of AA. Also it throws 8 torps in 7 drops, so thats 56 potential torps to be dropped. The ammo the FDR throws is crap but the no. of that crap it throws overcompensates. Like I have seen 10k Rockets runs. Then u can do 35K in one bomb run. But its apperently crap against DDs although thats doubtful. Also less HP? Have u even faced an FDR that ur ranting about it?? That thing has planes with more HP than some tier 10 cruisers.

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

7 times 8 torps

Eh, but you have to hit ALL OF THEM to get same result as 6 Midway torps...

which will meet your keel a whole lot faster, too These are slow-motion. 

 

Note: if you want to drop 7x, it will take at least 4 minutes. 25 sec wait between drops.

 

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Nah, cant buy FDR, its only available for Steel.

Yes... 

 

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They are the tankiest planes in the game, they have an INSANE amount of HP.

Disadvantage being they are also the slowest. And you get such a shhh....tload of them, it is impossible to avoid flak. 

Yes it looks impressive... but firts flak cloud you hit (and you will....) you lose half.  Duh. 

Also they are so slow, you'll need to handle about twice as much FLAK as other CVs. 

 

But is it trolllll.... YES IT IS.... it's broken AF. 

 

1 hour ago, The_Chiv said:

old kita trops hit for 20k each, could put out 40 of them and they went 20km. Would have to hit with most of its torps to even dream of hitting 20k and even then that is not an easy thing to do.

Well, if I can do it then certainly good CV players can do it more. 

Don't forget the bombs, you can get 18K or so from them if you manage to hit all. 

ANd the rockets, somewhere around 10k,more would be possible,

but well you cannot possible hit them all unless there is TWO Currywursts parked behind one another flanked by 4 cruisers. 

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

1 hour ago, Jethro_Grey said:

I have the Steel - and a coupon ready - however, i am waiting to see whether WG brings back the Kitakami or not.

With my luck, i buy any of teh steel ships and WG announces the return of the Kitakami a day later.

Unless you are VERY good with CV, or a CV main, don't get it. Other CVs are simply better.

Even if it is kinda mega-troll. Well, there's nothing else that harvests more salt. 

Even (pervious version of) Smolensk or (current/past) Thunderer cannot compete.

 

[Miscommunication_dept]

28 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Unless you are VERY good with CV, or a CV main, don't get it. Other CVs are simply better.

Even if it is kinda mega-troll. Well, there's nothing else that harvests more salt. 

Even (pervious version of) Smolensk or (current/past) Thunderer cannot compete.

 

I have heard that. Seems it’s far more effective against battleships but almost useless against destroyers.

 

I like that it seems to have a unique style though. With most  CVs I aim for one drop or two depending on AA. With my Sanzang  I frequently aim for just a single drop to preserve planes.

 

The FDR takes longer to get to the enemy but once there It delivers relentless attacks stacking for and alpha until the battleship is dead.

 

This to me looks so through it will be a different playstyle.

 

Im not so sure the Stalingrad will be such a different experience to my Slava, Petro and Moskva. I’m actually quite sure the Moskva can rank better now due to its smaller size and 30 sec fires and I believe Its long range HE better suits the current battleship heavy meta. 

 

It’s a difficult choice as it was when I choose Bourgogne over Stalingrad. 
At that time it was witnessing what an MvR can do to as stationary Stalingrad that swayed me.
 

[DinkyDi]

you know what I hate most ? When I, somehow, blast the whole squadron of planes and there is only one bar, divided into two. Of course, these two planes will always drop 3-4 torps on me. And its driving me mad to see that

/its possible, once per jupiter year, to see the 4k dmg from my Agir on the enemy planes/
/yes I sacrificed all for that small AA dmg improvement, that is still useless against CVs/

[BLUB__BLUB]

31 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

I have heard that. Seems it’s far more effective against battleships but almost useless against destroyers.

True, because the planes are slow as well - and you need a large target to "really deliver". 

And then the torpedoes are slow, and the bombs take a loooong time to fall. 

 

31 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

I like that it seems to have a unique style though. With most  CVs I aim for one drop or two depending on AA. With my Sanzang  I frequently aim for just a single drop to preserve planes.

I do too with other CVs. But I can pump out more "blows per second". Also, ships have less chance to avoid.

 

31 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

The FDR takes longer to get to the enemy but once there It delivers relentless attacks stacking for and alpha until the battleship is dead.

That "relentless" is kinda overrated. You have to "wait" 25 seconds before you can deliver the next dump. 

Now where do you wait --> after delivering the blow, other CVs just FF-of... not this one... you have to "loiter".

So, depends if you can find somewhere safe to loiter. If you can't, then that second blow might never come. 

 

31 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

This to me looks so through it will be a different playstyle.

Yes it is., It is more like a huge, fat, mega- blubber Ark Royal. 

 

31 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

Im not so sure the Stalingrad will be such a different experience to my Slava, Petro and Moskva. I’m actually quite sure the Moskva can rank better now due to its smaller size and 30 sec fires and I believe Its long range HE better suits the current battleship heavy meta. 

I think (as I do not have it) a Stalingrad vs Moskva will be sort of like what FDR is vs other CVs.

 

31 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

It’s a difficult choice as it was when I choose Bourgogne over Stalingrad. 
At that time it was witnessing what an MvR can do to as stationary Stalingrad that swayed me.

Well, if he is (~80K HP as he also has heal):

- alone;

- parked up with one side open to attack;

---> then he has as long to live as it takes FDR to strike him for:

20k at a time with torps (4 strikes), so that takes 3-4 minutes (but not likely, ghe'd need more than one fly-out);

15K with bombs (6 strikes) which wil take 4-5 minutes or more (if he can make it in one fly-out... not likely);

10K with rockets (8 strikes)... nah that would take most of the game, even FDR would need to fly out twice or more. 

 

As that Stalingrad also has heal and repair, and the CV might get some fires/flooding... could differ.

A Thunderer with deadeye would remove him much faster. 

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

3 minutes ago, DinkyDi said:

you know what I hate most ? When I, somehow, blast the whole squadron of planes and there is only one bar, divided into two. Of course, these two planes will always drop 3-4 torps on me. And its driving me mad to see that

/its possible, once per jupiter year, to see the 4k dmg from my Agir on the enemy planes/
/yes I sacrificed all for that small AA dmg improvement, that is still useless against CVs/

 Agir doesn't have the best AA, after all it is not Russian...

But two planes = 8 torps on FDR. That is 20K max. And if you manage to shoot down ALL his planes,

then he'll not be coming back for more. He then only has 6 torpedo planes left, which is not enough to really strike Agir. 

 

I doubt if you can shoot down that many though. 

[The_Chiv]

6 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Eh, but you have to hit ALL OF THEM to get same result as 6 Midway torps...

which will meet your keel a whole lot faster, too These are slow-motion. 

 

Note: if you want to drop 7x, it will take at least 4 minutes. 25 sec wait between drops.

 

Yes... 

 

Disadvantage being they are also the slowest. And you get such a shhh....tload of them, it is impossible to avoid flak. 

Yes it looks impressive... but firts flak cloud you hit (and you will....) you lose half.  Duh. 

Also they are so slow, you'll need to handle about twice as much FLAK as other CVs. 

 

But is it trolllll.... YES IT IS.... it's broken AF. 

 

Well, if I can do it then certainly good CV players can do it more. 

Don't forget the bombs, you can get 18K or so from them if you manage to hit all. 

ANd the rockets, somewhere around 10k,more would be possible,

but well you cannot possible hit them all unless there is TWO Currywursts parked behind one another flanked by 4 cruisers. 

 

Kitakami doesn't have bombs or rockets we are talking about torps. Kitakami in its original condition was a stand off platform meant to keep Cruisers and BBs from pushing in to support dds or hard push flanks. When 2 or more were on a team it was a nightmare. The only thing that helped punish this was cv spotting and the fact the fact its torp launchers were really easy to knock out with HE.

[Miscommunication_dept]

4 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

True, because the planes are slow as well - and you need a large target to "really deliver". 

And then the torpedoes are slow, and the bombs take a loooong time to fall. 

 

I do too with other CVs. But I can pump out more "blows per second". Also, ships have less chance to avoid.

 

That "relentless" is kinda overrated. You have to "wait" 25 seconds before you can deliver the next dump. 

Now where do you wait --> after delivering the blow, other CVs just FF-of... not this one... you have to "loiter".

So, depends if you can find somewhere safe to loiter. If you can't, then that second blow might never come. 

 

Yes it is., It is more like a huge, fat, mega- blubber Ark Royal. 

 

I think (as I do not have it) a Stalingrad vs Moskva will be sort of like what FDR is vs other CVs.

 

Well, if he is (~80K HP as he also has heal):

- alone;

- parked up with one side open to attack;

---> then he has as long to live as it takes FDR to strike him for:

20k at a time with torps (4 strikes), so that takes 3-4 minutes (but not likely, ghe'd need more than one fly-out);

15K with bombs (6 strikes) which wil take 4-5 minutes or more (if he can make it in one fly-out... not likely);

10K with rockets (8 strikes)... nah that would take most of the game, even FDR would need to fly out twice or more. 

 

As that Stalingrad also has heal and repair, and the CV might get some fires/flooding... could differ.

A Thunderer with deadeye would remove him much faster. 

 

You might be right, I need to spend more time in my current CVs and be patient with making the choice.

 

As far as MvR vs Stalingrad. I was surprised in a ranked battle that an MvR was unable to do too much damage to me. I was kiting and manoeuvring but he didn't get a single big hit. 

 

Stalingrad is still a possible choice, I really want to experience those guns!

 

[Jethro_Grey]

8 hours ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

I gave up on this. 

I haven't yet, at least until WG officially declares that Kitakami will never come.*

 

It also might happen,  that WG removes another Steel ship, and if not Kitakami,  I can get at least that one. And I have a couple of months until the current coupon expires.

 

*Basically, like Uboats and TX premiums for cash...or, Until ARP or AL bring their own Kitakami and WG sells it for 120€ in the store.

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 hours ago, gopher31 said:

You might be right, I need to spend more time in my current CVs and be patient with making the choice.

 

As far as MvR vs Stalingrad. I was surprised in a ranked battle that an MvR was unable to do too much damage to me. I was kiting and manoeuvring but he didn't get a single big hit. 

 

Stalingrad is still a possible choice, I really want to experience those guns!

 

That MvR must have been... ehh.. well... underperforming. 

Here's my (solo) WR in T10 CV, I'm kinda crud (but mostly I play with divs). 

Spoiler

 

...and as I play mostly in divs, guess which is the best --> MVR.

FDR is not, not by a loooong shot. Yes you can do big damage, but it depends more on the level of the reds than on yours. 

I mean:

If the reds suck but your team is any good, you'll have no damage to farm because your team will beat you to it. 

If the reds are any good and your team is any good then you'll end at the bottom of the list.

Only if the reds suck and your team sucks just a bit less... THEN you will have a long game with mega damage. 

Spoiler

 

That ssaid it can only use those AP-rockets when you present a flat broadside. 

So, indeed - just dodge. But if he was any good, you couldn't have dodged. 

And since even I can do it, wel... he probably wasn't THAT good... 

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 hours ago, The_Chiv said:

Kitakami doesn't have bombs or rockets we are talking about torps. Kitakami in its original condition was a stand off platform meant to keep Cruisers and BBs from pushing in to support dds or hard push flanks. When 2 or more were on a team it was a nightmare. The only thing that helped punish this was cv spotting and the fact the fact its torp launchers were really easy to knock out with HE.

Yeah I know, it was like Okhotnik but at T10 or something. 

An absolute floating torpedo factory. 

[The_Chiv]

Just now, BLUB__BLUB said:

Yeah I know, it was like Okhotnik but at T10 or something. 

An absolute floating torpedo factory. 

you have no idea. It was the most infuriating part of Alpha

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

Just now, The_Chiv said:

you have no idea. It was the most infuriating part of Alpha

Never been there but seen the videos. 

Like never having been to the Playboy mansion, but you can imagine... 

[KillStealBoss]

10 hours ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

Other CVs are simply better.

It's not about better but more versatile. Cause FDR is better from other CVs to take down a BB pretty fast. But dealing with DDs is nightmare, way worse than in Richtofen.  FDR is different approach, but considering the dead eye kampa - it's very very useful. BBs were not complaining much about CVs. Until FDR. And Immelmann is coming 

[BLUB__BLUB]

10 hours ago, MacArthur92 said:

It's not about better but more versatile. Cause FDR is better from other CVs to take down a BB pretty fast. But dealing with DDs is nightmare, way worse than in Richtofen.  FDR is different approach, but considering the dead eye kampa - it's very very useful. BBs were not complaining much about CVs. Until FDR. And Immelmann is coming 

Well I can kill BBs faster with Haku or Midway (no 25 sec pause...). Could fly out again while FDR waits, easily.

And if too many Hallands and crap, FDR could just run out of planes. Never happens with other CVs if you are any good.

And versatile indeed - lots faster too - I doubt if I'll use FDr in CB (yes WeeGee is crazy, but hey).

 

I wonder what Immelmann will bring.