Lutjens or Pommern??

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

Hey!

 

Im starting to get some coal again and I cant decide if I want to get Lutjens for my Hinden, Tirpitz, Scharnhorst and T-61 or get the Pommern. I know I will get much value out of Lutjens but then again I love the somewhat brawly playstyle of German torp BBs and I also saw Potato Qualitys video where he pretty much dominated in last T9 ranked in it. That said I know its been somewhat nerfed in latest patch and maybe not as strong in the current 24 km Dead Eye meta, but what do you Pommern owners think?

 

Im guessing its gonna be a while before WG takes away Pommern so I could probably take Lutjens first and then earn more coal to get Pommern.

[DFens_666]

Pommern best BB for small modes like 3x3 Brawls. If you play those, id get it for that. But ofc we never know what tiers/setups WG is giving. Now we had 7x7 T8 and the next one is again 7x7 but on TX.

Short-term i assume Lütjens is better because we dont know when/if we get T9 brawls or something like that. And till then, you might have enough Coal again to get Pommern.

[BlackYeti]

Since you already have tirpitz and Scharn id say go for Lutjens and then save up coal for something else.

[neorvo]

First Lutjens, then the BB. If they are going to retire the BB, perhaps you can buy it with doubloons. The Lutjens you only can buy with coal.

[22cm]

New Ranked mode is another crap now, whatever WG touches up lately, it just turns into crap. 

[MrWastee]

ship > captn....

 

pommern might get removed at some point, lütjens rather unlikely. pick him up on the side so to say on next occasion is my tip, pommern is the way to go here imo.

[albin322]

always ship first then capitain ! 

 

 

[Lootboxer]

1 minute ago, albin322 said:

always ship first then capitain ! 

I would second this but then he has some ships already so it depends on captains that he has there now?

Op do you have any German 21 pointer already? Do you have spare XP to upgrade Lutjens now if you get him?

[principat121]

36 minutes ago, albin322 said:

always ship first then capitain !

Why?

The Pommern isn't that great for a ship. And her biggest fun/strength - secondaries - got nerfed with 0.10.0 and the commander skill rework. So, there are no reasons to get this ship ASAP. In the moment this ship is only interesting for collectors.

 

On the other hand, the legendary captain can nowadays be used on all of your Premium Ships, he has a broad variety of viable builds for BB, CA/CL, CV and even DD.

 

I would say: Go for the captain first, then the ship!

[KielYourself]

Neither. Any captain for 175k coal is waaaay to expensive and there are better ships to get for coal than pommern imho.

[MrWastee]

25 minutes ago, principat121 said:

Why?

The Pommern isn't that great for a ship. And her biggest fun/strength - secondaries - got nerfed with 0.10.0 and the commander skill rework. So, there are no reasons to get this ship ASAP. In the moment this ship is only interesting for collectors.

 

On the other hand, the legendary captain can nowadays be used on all of your Premium Ships, he has a broad variety of viable builds for BB, CA/CL, CV and even DD.

 

I would say: Go for the captain first, then the ship!

just checked, mine does perform kind of the same as b4, at least for now ^^....

 

pommern is quite a pick indeed, even more in competetives on t9. some argue for georgia in this regard (did so myself as well), but pommern totally dominated 3vs3 brawls. for me it boils down that this ship simply got all the gimmicks. it can essentially adapt to more situations than most of the other t9 bb's, while being mostly quite a tough nut to crack.

 

its strenghtes as well go beyond secs by far imho. torps, german hydro, 12 "bismarck barrels", the higher pen on the secs (these are still more than viable for getting incapacitations on dd's f.e.)... for me, i luv it.

 

 

 

lütjens can be utulized on many ships, true. the skills though to trigger is kind of a thing. mostly f.e. the reload buff i get triggered like in the last few mins of a match (cruiser). the spotting buff often gets eaten up by planes/other ships.(dd; not played a lot with lütjens here).

+these skills are not triggered in ranked/cb's...

 

lütjens is only for the skills, while any captn can be taken on the pommern. as well as other ships. indeed i only got lütjens coz there's been no ships to get further and i had the coal on the side.

in other words: lütjens is some sugarcoat one got to invest a lot of cxp into, pommern simply is an option.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

With their extended value since the rework I'd say get Lutjens if you alrerady have a few German BB's. I actually play my special captains almost exclusively these days.

[22cm]

What would the benefits of Lutjens if this crap skill rework remains permanent? 

[Miscommunication_dept]

1 minute ago, 22cm said:

What would the benefits of Lutjens if this crap skill rework remains permanent? 

He works well on the Mainz and in secondary ships, if such a thing still exists.

 

Currently I have him trained on GK but commanding my Mainz.

 

Unless you have a lot of coal, the ship is probably the best value. Even if Pommern is weaker now than before the rework.

[Itwastuesday]

I'd get Lutjens if you have several million cap xp to train him with, otherwise bummern so you can get HE farmed and citadeled under the turtleback by snipers

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

5 hours ago, 22cm said:

New Ranked mode is another crap now, whatever WG touches up lately, it just turns into crap. 

If only WG would hand out more coal to naughty players

[Ronchabale]

Lutjenz will work fine on many ships

At the moment Pommern isn´t much good at it´s job

 

[Jethro_Grey]

Hm. The current meta doesn't really favor either, as Lütjens talents take time or luck to trigger. Pommern is fun boat, but in the current meta situational and as others said, more suited in ranked type of game modes.

 

I am not going to advise taking a over b, but I have a policy in place that helps me, whenever I get in similar situations: 

 

Ship > captain > perma camos > everything else.

 

The reason for rhis is, ships have a tendency to get removed if they become too popular.

 

The question is, are you playing enough German ships to get more value out of Lütjens? If in doubt (and your budget permits it) get both.

Buy Pommern from the store and get the commander for coal.

 

 

[COPlUM]

17 hours ago, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Cant decide if I want to get Lutjens for my Hinden, Tirpitz, Scharnhorst and T-61 or get the Pommern.

You're going to get a lot less value out of Lutjens than you think.
Doesn't do anything in T-61 because carriers exist, even if there's no carriers, you spot ships in the beginning of a match when you're full HP, the ability doesn't do anything.
Doesn't do anything in Tirpitz because secondaries are a meme.
Lutjens does something in Hindenburg and Mainz in the last 5 minutes of a 20 minute match, how often do those happen lately?
Pommern meanwhile is a unique T9 ship, not meta in RB/CB but very fun and an absolute bully in T9 ranked.

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

4 hours ago, DariusJacek said:

I would second this but then he has some ships already so it depends on captains that he has there now?

Op do you have any German 21 pointer already? Do you have spare XP to upgrade Lutjens now if you get him?

 

Not on German, but I have boosted my 5 of my legendarys up to 21 so far, Cunninham, Yamamoto, Kuznetzov, Jerzy and Halsey. But could probably boost him quite well also if I got him.

 

4 hours ago, principat121 said:

Why?

The Pommern isn't that great for a ship. And her biggest fun/strength - secondaries - got nerfed with 0.10.0 and the commander skill rework. So, there are no reasons to get this ship ASAP. In the moment this ship is only interesting for collectors.

 

On the other hand, the legendary captain can nowadays be used on all of your Premium Ships, he has a broad variety of viable builds for BB, CA/CL, CV and even DD.

 

I would say: Go for the captain first, then the ship!

 

Seems many have different views on how good/bad the secondary ships are right now. 

 

3 hours ago, Miki12345 said:

Neither. Any captain for 175k coal is waaaay to expensive and there are better ships to get for coal than pommern imho.

 

Before I would have agreed with you, but now when you can have Legendary captains on 4-5-6 different ships and trigger his talents on all I think its worth the coal.

 

3 hours ago, Europizza said:

With their extended value since the rework I'd say get Lutjens if you alrerady have a few German BB's. I actually play my special captains almost exclusively these days.

 

Same here. Have 5 legendarys at 21 point and those are the only ones I use now, which is pretty great. Thats why I think Lutjens would be great on my Scharn, T-61, Tirpitz and Hinden.

 

2 hours ago, 22cm said:

What would the benefits of Lutjens if this crap skill rework remains permanent? 

 

Hinden

 

2 hours ago, G01ngToxicCommand0 said:

If only WG would hand out more coal to naughty players

 

This! I have been very naughty                       (specially if you ask my permanent chat-ban.........)

[Miscommunication_dept]

3 hours ago, Ronchabale said:

Lutjenz will work fine on many ships

At the moment Pommern isn´t much good at it´s job

 

Like asking an accountant to perform life saving surgery!

[COPlUM]

If you have a lot of German premiums of different classes, Lutjens might be worth, because of the rework.
Unlike Kuznetsov, I bought him for 17.500 steel to use him in one ship and he's worth it
Oh you thought I'm dead? Haha I'm not dead, silly goose. I'm perfectly fine, here, look, my heal is back up.

[Gloatover]

Lutjens on Pommern 

[ObiWankov]

lutjens shines on destroyers, cruisers and carriers even more then on bbs.

 

get the captain, forget about the pommern. the ship is terrible.

[HMS_Kilinowski]

On 2/3/2021 at 11:01 PM, OldschoolGaming_YouTube said:

Hey!

 

Im starting to get some coal again and I cant decide if I want to get Lutjens for my Hinden, Tirpitz, Scharnhorst and T-61 or get the Pommern. I know I will get much value out of Lutjens but then again I love the somewhat brawly playstyle of German torp BBs and I also saw Potato Qualitys video where he pretty much dominated in last T9 ranked in it. That said I know its been somewhat nerfed in latest patch and maybe not as strong in the current 24 km Dead Eye meta, but what do you Pommern owners think?

 

Im guessing its gonna be a while before WG takes away Pommern so I could probably take Lutjens first and then earn more coal to get Pommern.

 

I am not a Pommern owner for precisely the reason that I had to choose between Pommern and Lütjens and I chose the captain. With the captain rework, a good captain has become more relevant to the game. Since the other german special captains were designed to be crap, the Lütjens captain is not just another captain, but the only one with relevant buffs and talents. The Jütland-captains have been for niche purpose before and since the removal of Vigilance for all ship types but BBs, they are even more useless. So Lütjens is the only captain that can keep up with the generous buffs that other nations unique captains got.

 

Another BB in your port is not going to change your game experience that much, but the captain will. I use it on the Hindenburg, where the skill buffs also work in CB and I can use it on all premium ships, which makes it quite important.

 

There will be plenty of time to still get the Pommern. All ships that were removed from the game were deemed overpowered or damaging to the meta. The Pommern is neither. It has a solid but not excessive winrate and since brawlers have never been the meta and do not appear to become the meta, much less change it in a toxic manner, the Pommern will likely never be removed.