Alex_steel_45 Players 26 posts 8,738 battles Report post #1 Posted February 3, 2021 People don't play cruisers! Why? Because it's weak, useless, and stupid. Battleships almost always one shoot any cruiser. Devs, You must correct it already ! Add possibility to escape for cruisers. To make it you need add smoke for all cruisers!!! 5 charges, 20 sec duration. PS: Stop remove my topics! 1 15 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XTREM] Miragetank90 Players 2,521 posts 17,166 battles Report post #2 Posted February 3, 2021 Anyone who truly believes Cruisers are ''weak, useless, and stupid'' just needs to git gud, end of story. 12 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NEXT] ColonelPete Players 34,823 posts 17,447 battles Report post #3 Posted February 3, 2021 But people play cruisers. They are the second most played class in the game for over 5 years. And some do it very successfully. http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20210130/eu_week/average_class_u.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] Wulf_Ace [RONIN] Players 1,262 posts 8,273 battles Report post #4 Posted February 3, 2021 Dont you just LOVE it when you are in a tier 6 Nurnberg and you are against Tier 8 battleships... mmm ...dream come true! 7 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-RNR-] Tanaka_15 Beta Tester 2,141 posts 18,276 battles Report post #5 Posted February 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Wulf_Ace said: Dont you just LOVE it when you are in a tier 6 Nurnberg and you are against Tier 8 battleships... mmm ...dream come true! I love it it reminse me my favorite cateogry on some video website stareted with P.. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAIN] Jethro_Grey Players 5,057 posts 22,874 battles Report post #6 Posted February 3, 2021 Didn't we had this topic like a couple of days ago? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] 22cm Beta Tester 5,742 posts 30,859 battles Report post #7 Posted February 3, 2021 You didnt know? Deadeye Thunderer is the new cruiser! 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashardalon_Dragnipur Players 493 posts 5,494 battles Report post #8 Posted February 3, 2021 wiggle and kite its basically the ideal situation for a nurnberg all the deadeye buffs in the world do nothing if you changed direction stop going in a strait line in a cruiser and then complain that a BB does its job, you have wasd to counter them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFens_666 Players 12,668 posts 10,009 battles Report post #9 Posted February 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, Wulf_Ace said: Dont you just LOVE it when you are in a tier 6 Nurnberg and you are against Tier 8 battleships... mmm ...dream come true! Flat braoadside at max 12-13km - they will overpen you all day long. Nürnberg has thin armor, many BB shells cant arm on that. On the other hand, Königsberg and Nürnberg against T5 BBs like Cesare... its just like popping soapbubbles, as i can see everytime i play Marblehead ( @ForlornSailor ) Ontopic: It really is a two-edged sword. Ill agree, for the average player, Cruisers are essentially useless, since they lack the knowledge to play them properly. For decent players, they are still plenty strong. Now we have to ask ourselves, if that is the right thing? And i dont think it is. The game is much better if there are more Cruisers around, and that is basicly true for any class. Even DDs have a better chance for backup if there are more Cruisers out there. Doesnt look bad to me (last couple of days). Died only once in the Drake loss. Also in the Drake loss i tanked 2,4 million potential damage. In general, im not afraid of BBs camping in the spawn when i play a Cruiser. Its easy to dodge, contrary to BBs pushing up, then i need to retreat eventually. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,350 posts 11,686 battles Report post #10 Posted February 3, 2021 48 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said: Anyone who truly believes Cruisers are ''weak, useless, and stupid'' just needs to git gud, end of story. Harsh words but... true. The tiny problem I see, is, that it needs way more "git gud" as a cruiser compared to other classes to really do well these days (even compared to most DDs). 20 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said: Didn't we had this topic like a couple of days ago? I even think its the same pictures... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CATS] Psychological_Warfare [CATS] Alpha Tester 707 posts 14,314 battles Report post #11 Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Alex_steel_45 said: People don't play cruisers! Why? Because it's weak, useless, and stupid. Battleships almost always one shoot any cruiser. Devs, You must correct it already ! Add possibility to escape for cruisers. To make it you need add smoke for all cruisers!!! 5 charges, 20 sec duration. PS: Stop remove my topics! Maybe you should a) get better at the game and learn about the game mechanics of a Cruiser and b) play a couple of hundred matches more in high tier, you are only up to tier 8 so far and that means you get a lot of games where you are mid or even low tier as a Cruiser which can warp your perception of a class a lot. You clearly do not know how to properly play cruisers and instead of working on yourself you come here and blame the game mechanics. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 6,711 posts 7,492 battles Report post #12 Posted February 3, 2021 35 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said: Didn't we had this topic like a couple of days ago? Feels more like yesterday..Of course just because he keeps remaking it doesn't make it any more true.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Von_Pruss Players 1,876 posts 4,696 battles Report post #13 Posted February 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Psychological_Warfare said: Maybe you should a) get better at the game and learn about the game mechanics of a Cruiser and b) play a couple of hundred matches more in high tier, you are only up to tier 8 so far and that means you get a lot of games where you are mid or even low tier as a Cruiser which can warp your perception of a class a lot. You clearly do not know how to properly play cruisers and instead of working on yourself you come here and blame the game mechanics. I am average and far from being a fully deciding team element, but by now you should know it is always the complete bots who know better and complain everything is working against their favor. Because it is far more easy than to actually observe, learn and improve. He is ignorantly climbing up the tiers thinking the higher the tier, the better the ship. Sadly enough, WG is actively promoting this behaviour and thus supports ignorance, toxicity, hate, frustration and bad sportmanship. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAD] Logan_MountStuart Players 398 posts 10,579 battles Report post #14 Posted February 3, 2021 While I would limit each team to 4 BBs maximum, it is far from useless to play cruisers. Even perceived weak cruisers like Saint Louis uptiered or Mogami at any tier are still playable although they require care and often the smartest thing to do is know when not to shoot. Yeah they are possibly the hardest class to excel in but that's not really changed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Hirohito Players 1,254 posts 4,526 battles Report post #15 Posted February 3, 2021 16 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said: Harsh words but... true. The tiny problem I see, is, that it needs way more "git gud" as a cruiser compared to other classes to really do well these days (even compared to most DDs). Or BBs are generally too easy to play - pick your poison. WG seems to coddle those BB players a lot though, every time they face their own dangers in the game, WG takes note of those woes and nerfs IFHE, fire damage, flood mechanics, buffs dispersion (dead eye). BB is just a braindead easy class to play atm compared to cruisers and DDs for the average player. I'm not sure the fault necessarily lies with cruisers and DDs being "hard" per se, but BBs becoming easier and easier to play these days, so we shouldn't be surprised to see the high BB numbers. Dev striking cruisers is apparently fine, but dear lord, HE spam and fires on our BB overlords is apparently massively OP and warrants further nerfs. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LTU] rustyfeeder Players 47 posts 3,420 battles Report post #16 Posted February 3, 2021 Cruisers are a dying breed. The idea for them to be a "jack of all trades" ship turned into a "killed by all ships". They depend on battleships. Try playing RIGA for example. Range is 16 smth. You either stand still and wait for battleships to go ahead or you go ahead alone and get melted because are slow and unmanevarable as a 20 kg sausage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DSW] Arty_McFly Moderator, Sailing Hamster, Privateer 777 posts Report post #17 Posted February 3, 2021 27 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: The game is much better if there are more Cruisers around, and that is basicly true for any class. My CVs disagree Life is much easier for CVs with less Minotaurs, Worcesters or Smolensks in battles. But yes, you are right with everything else. If teams have only very few cruisers, it's usually a steamroll for one team. Cruisers are the most versatile class in the game, which means they can react to new situations quickly, which again helps to prevent steamrolls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobtherterrible Players 793 posts 10,016 battles Report post #18 Posted February 3, 2021 Looking at the data at the top of the thread, it looks like CVs are not popular enough. What can be done to support this clearly weak class? 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFens_666 Players 12,668 posts 10,009 battles Report post #19 Posted February 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hirohito said: Dev striking cruisers is apparently fine, And then you hear BBabies and even BB unicums/CCs/Streamers say, BBs are too weak and Cruisers are OP, because they dont evaporate everytime they look at one Yesterday i played 3 games BBs and devstruck 3 Cruisers from almost full HP... weak BB, needz buffz 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NEXT] ColonelPete Players 34,823 posts 17,447 battles Report post #20 Posted February 3, 2021 And that is why this topic is familiar: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Hirohito Players 1,254 posts 4,526 battles Report post #21 Posted February 3, 2021 10 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: And then you hear BBabies and even BB unicums/CCs/Streamers say, BBs are too weak and Cruisers are OP, because they dont evaporate everytime they look at one Yeah, that idiot NoZoup claimed as such in two separate videos last year. "BBs are dying" and "a cruiser should die if he messes up, but instead I get overpens" (right before he multicit a cruiser in the same video). WG has coddled BB players to the point that BB players honestly think its their god-given right to dominate every other ship. Imagine the backlash if cruiser/DD players had this attitude and were regularly getting buffs to reliably devstrike any BB. The salt would be immense. At this point I have about 0 respect for BB players anymore. It's not the fact that they play a very strong and overplayed class, but their very attitude that comes with it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashardalon_Dragnipur Players 493 posts 5,494 battles Report post #22 Posted February 3, 2021 dev striking cruisers is as fine as DDs torping BBs without ever getting seen rock paper scissors or do you expect that class counter not to get any tools to actually hurt the thing their supposed to counter but dont worry you have HE and torps to counter your counter BBs have... what do BBs have to counter DDs but its probably too much to ask cruisers to dodge a bit with all the deadeye players you have 15+ seconds to change course 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkollUlfr Players 1,164 posts 6,026 battles Report post #23 Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Miragetank90 said: Anyone who truly believes Cruisers are ''weak, useless, and stupid'' just needs to git gud, end of story. only applies to high tier cruisers with heals armour and range. low and mid tier are fodder who get focussed for easy damage. with few exceptions. especially when +2d. they dont have the range or agility to use effectively use manoeuvring if under 15km against 2200m/s railgun shells. especially against the aim assists on t8+ poor baby cant predict a target? lets put a 3x multi on the shell velocity. poor baby cant get over fear of getting close? lets put cartoon sideways dispersion in. poor baby cant put rounds on target anyway? lets give them 30meter clusters at 30km. 8 minutes ago, bobtherterrible said: Looking at the data at the top of the thread, it looks like CVs are not popular enough. What can be done to support this clearly weak class? tomahawks and supercavitating torps. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DFens_666 Players 12,668 posts 10,009 battles Report post #24 Posted February 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Ashardalon_Dragnipur said: BBs have... what do BBs have to counter DDs What tools does a Hindenburg have to counter a DD? Essentially, most Cruisers are like BBs when it comes to "countering" DDs, and thats basicly why DDs have that high game influence. Imagine we would give all Cruisers short-duration radar, so they could actually fend off DDs, atleast somewhat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Hirohito Players 1,254 posts 4,526 battles Report post #25 Posted February 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, Ashardalon_Dragnipur said: dev striking cruisers is as fine as DDs torping BBs without ever getting seen BBs have... what do BBs have to counter DDs but its probably too much to ask cruisers to dodge a bit The problem is that torping a BB for a devstrike isn't nearly reliable enough compared to the humongous damage a BB can inflict onto a cruiser. There is a proliferation of 457mm calibres at the moment, and the travel time for shells are magnitudes lower than the travel time for torps, making torps a whole lot easier to dodge than 12 AP shells. For an aware BB that actively avoids sitting still or sailing at constant speed in straight lines, torps aren't nearly on the same level of danger that a cruiser faces from BB AP shells. Not saying cruisers in general are too weak, but BBs are arguably too strong and definitely too easy to play. It's the class for people who want to dominate others and believe it is their god damn right to do so in the process. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
