Have you tested possible secondaries builds for your USN (Ohio, Georgia, Massachustets) and KM (Großer Kurfürst, Pommern, Tirpitz, Odin, Scharnhorst) BBs? Will you keep them or switch?

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

Have you tested possible secondaries builds for your USN (Ohio, Georgia, Massachusetts) and KM (Großer Kurfürst, Pommern, Tirpitz, Odin, Scharnhorst) BBs? Will you keep them or switch?

 

 

I must say that, with heavy heart, I switched to full tanking for all of them and the only relict I kept is the "Secondary Battery Modification 1" in "Slot 3" for some fireworks to remind me on good old days of the past (i.e. this will have secondaries fire at around 9km for USN and 10km for KM at MAX)... I completely dumped everything else secondaries wise in my captain builds ("Long Range Secondary Battery Shell", "Improved Secondary Battery Aiming") ...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Benson_01]

I'm trying to decide which to buy - Pommern or Georgia. I'd like to explore a secondary build (assuming it hasn't been made a redundant plan after the latest rework). Would you suggest either one over the other?

 

[DFens_666]

Ill probably keep it on Massa, Scharnhorst, Gneisenau and Pommern.

Might take CQC on something like GK, but no secondary build. Didnt run secondary GK before that either, so why change now? Alltho its unlikely that ill play GK, since i a) dont like to play TX b) would pick some other BB.

[Benson_01]

Thanks for the advice DFens_666 

 

[MrWastee]

on usn ones i seem to lose nothing while running a sec build, still works. same goes for germans in regard to former builds. with the buff in sec range i'm trying a secbuild/mb-acc now on scharnhorst (something i never really got to work b4, accmod for mb's is mandatory) and can't complain.

 

my bismarck is full retard secs, in last 3 weeks this came out:

Bismarck

VIII

2

100% Super Unicum

2 447 Unicum

76 913

1

4

 

 

UU gk, 19km mb range:

Großer Kurfürst

X

5

60% Unicum

1 406 Good

95 550

0.2

4.6

 

 

not much of a sample size, but all in all i can't complain in that regard. other secships seem to be in line.

[Cippalippus]

In the current meta, playing secondaries is an exercise in frustration. Have to say that the amount of carriers and wannabe snipers is making high tier games a pain.

And if you get in a t10 game with a secondary bismarck, lol, enjoy. 

[Benson_01]

Hi MrWastee. That's two of you now who have mentioned Scharnhorst. Maybe I should give that a try while I grind out the coal for a new purchase, thanks.

 

[Benson_01]

1 minute ago, Cippalippus said:

In the current meta, playing secondaries is an exercise in frustration. Have to say that the amount of carriers and wannabe snipers is making high tier games a pain.

And if you get in a t10 game with a secondary bismarck, lol, enjoy. 

Hi, so you aren't enjoying secondary builds now? That's what I feared - that I've missed out on the hey-day I think. Oh well, always late for the party, me! 

 

[Puffin_]

Dead Eye Odin and Tirpitz are so good.

Odin has 12 km concealment. works great with Dead Eye

Odin vs T7 and T6 Cruisers 

[NavalComedian]

I've gotten myself a gneisenau since the 128s are pretty decent ( 32mm base pen ) and with full range it has 9.5km now vs prev 8km which is pretty nice at tr7 , only got the range so far since i went for FP and CE first . 

Have a georgia too with the same build , don't have enough high lvl captains for full builds yet  . 

It's fun but not particularly effective sadly .

[WildWind84]

47 minutes ago, Benson_01 said:

I'm trying to decide which to buy - Pommern or Georgia. I'd like to explore a secondary build (assuming it hasn't been made a redundant plan after the latest rework). Would you suggest either one over the other?

 

I got Georgia with coal, now collect coal for Pommern... Heart says Pommern, but because Georgia is leaving - I buy first Georgia.

 

Sec. build on Bismarck, Gneisenau, Bayern, Warspite and Mutsu (it didn't work ok from last patch on Warspite and Mutsu - I am looking for better), hybrid build for Georgia and NC. 

 

My husband have Massa and Georgia on sec. build - it works but less than before (like others sec. build ships)

[Benson_01]

Thanks for all these replies guys - I've not really used the forums before but if this is any indication of the kind of help to expect then I'll be using them a lot more in the future. You're certainly giving me food for thought. I bought Thunderer last time out, so I've experienced a fair bit of holding back and picking my shots even without deadeye. I play mainly cruisers so I tend to miss the frantic panic attacks of close-range fighting, I'd like to try mixing it up a little more with BB's, even if it's not very true to life (Matapan excluded) 

[WildWind84]

10 minutes ago, Benson_01 said:

Thanks for all these replies guys - I've not really used the forums before but if this is any indication of the kind of help to expect then I'll be using them a lot more in the future. You're certainly giving me food for thought. I bought Thunderer last time out, so I've experienced a fair bit of holding back and picking my shots even without deadeye. I play mainly cruisers so I tend to miss the frantic panic attacks of close-range fighting, I'd like to try mixing it up a little more with BB's, even if it's not very true to life (Matapan excluded) 

I also thinking between Thunderer and Georgia (Thunderer for coal and even buy Georgia), but I am opposite of you - just before last patch start to try to learn cruisers, most enjoy is was Ranked (before new patch) with Bismarck and close combat, so I conclude that stay in the corner and shoot HE wasn't for me (it is boring to me and it wasn't fun for me), so I get Georgia. It depends which option you prefers more. Good luck :)

[WildWind84]

46 minutes ago, Cippalippus said:

In the current meta, playing secondaries is an exercise in frustration. Have to say that the amount of carriers and wannabe snipers is making high tier games a pain.

And if you get in a t10 game with a secondary bismarck, lol, enjoy. 

And this with Bismarck, even with Hipper going to be a lot of battles in T10 nowdays... (yes, it is crazy)

[Benson_01]

11 minutes ago, WildWind84 said:

I also thinking between Thunderer and Georgia (Thunderer for coal and even buy Georgia), but I am opposite of you - just before last patch start to try to learn cruisers, most enjoy is was Ranked (before new patch) with Bismarck and close combat, so I conclude that stay in the corner and shoot HE wasn't for me (it is boring to me and it wasn't fun for me), so I get Georgia. It depends which option you prefers more. Good luck :)

Thanks WildWind84. I have probably another couple of weeks before I have to choose anyway. At least now it'll be a little more of an informed choice rather than a guess :-)

[Procrastes]

1 hour ago, Benson_01 said:

That's two of you now who have mentioned Scharnhorst. Maybe I should give that a try while I grind out the coal for a new purchase, thanks.

I would say that as long as you are just looking for a ship that is fun to play - albeit perhaps not always the most effective in any given battle - you can't go too far wrong with the Scharnhorst. She has been dubbed "the Swiss Army Ship", and for good reason - she can handle herself in most situations, and uptiers fairly well, although she does struggle a bit in a too BB-heavy environment.

 

My advice would be:

1. Get the Scharnhorst! (And buy the special 'Arctic' camo while you're at it; see below.)

2. Kit her out for a full secondary build! Deadeye is for pussies borderhuggers the less pugilistically-inclined to begin with, and she won't hit squat with her guns at max range anyway.

3. Take her into battle! Once there, try to play with a measure of enthusiasm and intelligence, and focus on making a good dent in the enemy lines rather than necessarily surviving into the endgame.

 

Pure gameplay considerations aside, the Scharnhorst is also - at least according to me - the most beautiful ship currently in the game. Especially dressed up in her special 'Arctic' camo; if you decide to get her, you absolutely should try it out!

 

[VC381]

I haven't played around a huge amount, but I think maxing secondary range is not too "expensive", 3rd slot module and 3-point captain skill only. Then at higher tiers you get secondaries lighting up at 12k, no need to manually mark targets. Germans are more accurate now by default and fire in multiple directions. Sure it's not "melt you mercilessly" like it was, but it's free damage at a decent range for only 3 captain points.

[MrWastee]

1 hour ago, Cippalippus said:

In the current meta, playing secondaries is an exercise in frustration. Have to say that the amount of carriers and wannabe snipers is making high tier games a pain.

And if you get in a t10 game with a secondary bismarck, lol, enjoy. 

while it's always been a situational and rather painly approach in doubt lol, that holds truth. on other hand backyard snipermeta can enable to get closer to cover and caps, thus impact where it's due. sniping meta does suck hard, but the sec ship i have which suffers most from that is UU gk. may the gap just got wider in terms of being situational, but i can see indicators in both directions.

 

1 hour ago, Benson_01 said:

Hi MrWastee. That's two of you now who have mentioned Scharnhorst. Maybe I should give that a try while I grind out the coal for a new purchase, thanks.

 

hello. if i got it right in mind it's a range buff for like 0.5km on secbuild with mb mod. up to like, i think, 1.6km? i always asked for those 0.5km at least and yet think it does fit. though, with changes to sniping meta, as i wrote b4 i yet feel the gap for the situations one can bring a sec build to work kinda widenend.

 

1 hour ago, Benson_01 said:

Hi, so you aren't enjoying secondary builds now? That's what I feared - that I've missed out on the hey-day I think. Oh well, always late for the party, me! 

 

those been the 1st days of ifhe sec gk.... 40k to bow on missouri with sole sec power within few mins *sigh*

[DFens_666]

44 minutes ago, Benson_01 said:

Thanks for all these replies guys - I've not really used the forums before but if this is any indication of the kind of help to expect then I'll be using them a lot more in the future.

 

99% if you just ask for advice you will get friendly replies. Sometimes people come in, raging like spoiled brats and then they are surprised if they get the same type of answer... so basicly, if you are nice, people are nice to you back. And thats the way it should be.

 

1 hour ago, Benson_01 said:

Hi MrWastee. That's two of you now who have mentioned Scharnhorst. Maybe I should give that a try while I grind out the coal for a new purchase, thanks.

 

 

 

Its definetely not the strongest T7 BB, but it provides a different playstyle. Sadly these days, you will meet T9 quite often, and that can be problematic due to small caliber guns and the more longrange meta than in midtiers. Scharnhorst wants to look for that opening to move in, which is way harder than if you are in T5-7 MM.

But that basicly is true for any secondary BB. When you are toptier, you are a god. When you are lowtier, you are often the weakest ship possible.

[Ashardalon_Dragnipur]

playing bismark, i have about 7% accuracy with secondaries firing at BBs

the idea that secondaries should help scare of DDs or even get close to touching a cruiser is practically delusional

its prettymuch pointless

atleast it still looks pretty but its better to just go full tank or join the snipers even with german guns 

[EpicGoldenCat]

 

this is georgia

secondary build not so effective after rework

[MrWastee]

19 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

99% if you just ask for advice you will get friendly replies. Sometimes people come in, raging like spoiled brats and then they are surprised if they get the same type of answer... so basicly, if you are nice, people are nice to you back. And thats the way it should be.

 

 

 

Its definetely not the strongest T7 BB, but it provides a different playstyle. Sadly these days, you will meet T9 quite often, and that can be problematic due to small caliber guns and the more longrange meta than in midtiers. Scharnhorst wants to look for that opening to move in, which is way harder than if you are in T5-7 MM.

But that basicly is true for any secondary BB. When you are toptier, you are a god. When you are lowtier, you are often the weakest ship possible.

i tend to perceive my bb as the biggest cruiser in the tub in terms of lowtier matches . +goin for cruisers rather than bb's.

[MrWastee]

10 minutes ago, Ashardalon_Dragnipur said:

playing bismark, i have about 7% accuracy with secondaries firing at BBs

the idea that secondaries should help scare of DDs or even get close to touching a cruiser is practically delusional

its prettymuch pointless

atleast it still looks pretty but its better to just go full tank or join the snipers even with german guns 

it's not the sole damage, it's the incapacitations as well. +fires, but the incaps are kind of the most important part of it imo, at least on dd's.

[1MajorKoenig]

Good question - I still experiment...

 

I did make a Secondary build for 

 

- Pommern & Scharnhorst (same captain)

- Bayern

- PEF

- Konig ALBERT 

 

The latter three are obviously pure fun Builds - but fun is half of it no?

 

For Pommern the build feels pretty toothless - the damage output feels underwhelming but I haven’t done any documentation of the actual results.

 

Gut feeling - still possible but pretty much not an optimal choice 

[Ashardalon_Dragnipur]

13 minutes ago, MrWastee said:

it's not the sole damage, it's the incapacitations as well. +fires, but the incaps are kind of the most important part of it imo, at least on dd's.

you need to hit to get those incapacitations

i havnt seen a single secondary shell hit a cruiser or smaller

7% on BBs

7%

if you shoot 1000 shells you might get one to hit a cruiser, if you shoot 5000, ones aoe might get close enough to a DD to cause an incapacitation

but how many torpedoes will you have eaten by then