Perth, Graf Spee or Duca D'aosta. Which one should i get for Co-op and scenarios?

[CaravellaCaravan]

Hi, i'm looking for T6 premium ships for Co-op and scenarios. I couldn't decide which one should i get. I'm also thinking about the save my doubloons for Mutsu. Which one should i get? 

 

I've played with Graf Spee when i got it as rental. I really liked it, it was like "Mini Scharnhorst" to me.  But, Perth has an unique smoke. Duca D"aosta has long-range torps but, torps are slow.

 

Which one should i get? Or should i save my doubloons for Mutsu?

 

Thanks.

[JG4_sKylon]

IMO Perth is the best for coop/scenarios.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Perth!!

 

It's also great in randoms.

[22cm]

For Scenarios: Perth or his Indian brother, Mysoreass.

[NoirLotus]

Perth is good in scenarios. Duca is fun but lacks survivability. AGS is more survivable but it lacks a bit in speed and guns can be frustrating.

 

 

[Miscommunication_dept]

Mysore comes with a 200% Xp mission but Perth has HE, planes to spot when smoked and torps.

 

[bratisla_boy]

AGS guns can do nasty things with cruisers in scenarios, on top of usable torpedoes - it's quite good in scenarios actually, except Newport.

[Verblonde]

21 minutes ago, CaravellaCaravan said:

Which one should i get?

IMO it depends on skill level somewhat:

• A good player will get excellent value from creeping smoke (which means Perth from your short-list), whilst a less skilled player may struggle. If you do get Perth, a coal mod will add value.
• Personally, if I had to pick just one, it would be Graf Spee though; I tend to find that she has excellent scope for covering when other members of your team potate! The heal makes her pretty survivable, her guns are almost BB (albeit a bit flaky, but who cares - you can easily get close), and the torps come in handy too. There's also a better chance that you'll have a good captain for her (especially more so than Perth, although the old 'no silver line' captain problem has - at last - been eliminated with the captain rework, if you don't mind spending doubloons). Speaking of captains though, you have - sadly - just lost the ability to run a BB captain in her, which sucks (GS is arguably a small BB in a cruiser slot). GS also gets the option of a 'National' permaflage (for doubloons), which dramatically boosts her silver earnings.

It's also worth emphasising that the above is assuming PvE only; Graf Spee is generally felt to be much harder work against real people (probably more so with the rework), but I believe you don't play Randoms much (at all?).

[Smeggo]

Perth.

 

Graf Spee for the fun.

 

Duca if you don't want to have fun. 

[CaravellaCaravan]

23 dakika önce, Verblonde dedi:

IMO it depends on skill level somewhat:

• A good player will get excellent value from creeping smoke (which means Perth from your short-list), whilst a less skilled player may struggle. If you do get Perth, a coal mod will add value.
• Personally, if I had to pick just one, it would be Graf Spee though; I tend to find that she has excellent scope for covering when other members of your team potate! The heal makes her pretty survivable, her guns are almost BB (albeit a bit flaky, but who cares - you can easily get close), and the torps come in handy too. There's also a better chance that you'll have a good captain for her (especially more so than Perth, although the old 'no silver line' captain problem has - at last - been eliminated with the captain rework, if you don't mind spending doubloons). Speaking of captains though, you have - sadly - just lost the ability to run a BB captain in her, which sucks (GS is arguably a small BB in a cruiser slot). GS also gets the option of a 'National' permaflage (for doubloons), which dramatically boosts her silver earnings.

It's also worth emphasising that the above is assuming PvE only; Graf Spee is generally felt to be much harder work against real people (probably more so with the rework), but I believe you don't play Randoms much (at all?).

I've played with Graf Spee when i got it as a rental for 3 days. It was really fun ship, citadelling cruisers and low-tier battleships with AP. Guns are feels like same as Scharnhorst, but only 6 of them.  Also have very powerful torpedoes. Did around 90K damage in Ranger CV protection scenario and 50K damage on Co-op.

 

I'm playing battleships mainly. I don't have good skills for cruisers. Graf Spee much more durable than others.

 

For Perth, i want this ship for it's unique smoke and if i'm not wrong, single fire torpedoes. 

 

Yes, i don't play Randoms at all. I don't like play against real players.

 

Thanks.

[Verblonde]

30 minutes ago, CaravellaCaravan said:

For Perth, i want this ship for it's unique smoke and if i'm not wrong, single fire torpedoes. 

Perth is very much worth having, although other things do get that smoke: Haida, Huanghe, and Mysore (off the top of my head).

 

The recently released Mysore is looking distinctly promising as an 'Ops only' ship; although she doesn't get torps (which is a nuisance), she does get a heal *and* creeping smoke. You'll struggle against fatties, but she's good against more or less everything else (no HE though). With a suitable player skill-set, I suspect Perth is more effective though, due to torps and having HE.

[Jethro_Grey]

Well, i'd say Perth or AGS.

 

However, Leander is pretty much the same as Perth (minus the creeping smoke, but plus heals) and it's free.

So AGS is my suggestion, as it not only can deal with cruisers, but also with BBs.

[BlackYeti]

1 hour ago, bratisla_boy said:

AGS guns can do nasty things with cruisers in scenarios

Especially by overpenning them to death. All the AI cruisers in t6 scenarios except Myoko are thinly armored and produce overpens like crazy. You're less likely to die in AGS but you'll also struggle to break any dmg records as well due to gun performance.

[Verblonde]

Of course, the 'Correct' answer is to get the following (as the game is now):

• Leander (with River Plate optional cammo).
• Exeter.
• Graf Spee.
• Salem (cosplay Graf Spee).

[Captain_Newman]

Keep in mind that certain t6 operations have a LOT of cruiser targets, which does favor the graf a bit as you can go nuts farming cits. Perth is an excellent ship as well, forget about the Duca, bots will effortlessly dodge her sea mines and it takes a lot of work to get some damage out of her guns.

 

Mutsu is great, hits very hard, has torps, armor is paper though. Doesn’t matter that much in PvE.

 

Personally I find CV’s to be great for t6 operations, particularly Ark Royal or the german premium one. 

[invicta2012]

I would say.... Leander + doubloon permacamo is first choice.  Lots of cruisers and DDs in ops, and Leander's spec is very strong there.  If you miss HE, get Perth or Huang He. 

 

If you want to play with torps, then Spee is the way to go. Best toolkit of any Tier VI cruiser and some satisfyingly hard hitting guns.  Mutsu gets set on fire too often and her main guns have days when they just won't hit anything. 

 

Duca is fun and different but needs practice. 

 

[Verblonde]

1 hour ago, Captain_Newman said:

Personally I find CV’s to be great for t6 operations, particularly Ark Royal or the german premium one.

This. Ops are about the only time that I can play CVs with a clear conscience, and get reliable rewards for doing so (Coop tends to be flaky in this latter regard). Loewenhardt is especially good when you need to cover large areas of the map quickly - her bombers are ludicrously fast (I still can't believe that isn't a mistake - they're Stukas, for goodness' sake, not that I'm complaining for a moment!).

 

It kind of touches on something else to consider when talking about ships for Ops i.e. what are you trying to achieve? Is it all about pure rewards (silver/xp), grinding a ship, or just trying to do as well as possible - performance-wise - in the scenario (although there can be overlap). For example, Leander performs very well in T6 Ops, but isn't a premium, so (even with permaflage) you aren't going to rake in silver in the same way as a premium; on the other hand, Leander has the sterling quality of being free (and very good). Besides which, if you want to maximise silver, you generally want more than one choice (three plus, depending a bit on how quickly/often you get sunk), to avoid having to pay 75K (?) to go into battle again before the post-battle cooldown period has ended.

[neorvo]

I made 2 tests in the Aegis scenario

 

Perth

 

Graf Spee

 

 

Perth: The smoke is handy for protecting other ships !, agile.

Graf Spee: More difficult to drive and aiming for me.

I am used to playing DD in co-ops (professional potato player , ) , and my performance could be biased to Perth, that was easier to play than Graf Spee. I like both ships anyway.

[MoveZig]

I'd say AGS. The things that make it garbage against skilled players (angling, dodging the very few shells) don't apply in PVE.  The torps are good and have nice angles, the HP is chunky and the cit is low in the water, good for brawling. The turret angles do suck, but I'd say it's the best brawler of the 3, which is what matters in co-op. Duca is a mid-range skirmisher and flanker and Perth is a smoke-crawling pest; neither does especially well against bullrushing enemies.

[Jethro_Grey]

I would like to add, that certain OPS favor certain ships.

 

Aegis favors Leander, Perth (Huang He too...ish) because this OP plays out always in the same way.

And if you know how, you can get ridiculous results, but for that you'll need DPM, which the AGS lacks.

 

Now, she ain't bad in this particular OPS, you have to have to play her differently, more like a BB in the center.

 

Other OPS, like Raptor Rescue and Assault New Port, favors a bit AGS more then RN based cruisers.

 

 

[lup3s]

Perth, in my opinion.

 

Since the current Op is Aegis, I'll give all three a try (usually I just play the Perth).

 

 

:edit 1:

 

First battle; Duca d'Aosta

 

Spoiler

 

I almost forgot how great her guns are, especially the AP shells. The reload time is a bit on the slow side, but I don't think it's bad.

Got a bit lucky with this Operation as there were a lot of cruisers.

Now and then, the long range torpedoes are a decent tool.

 

I think the Duca d'Aosta has good firepower, but lacks survivability compared to the Graf Spee and the Perth; the former having a heal and the latter having a smoke screen consumable.

 

 

:edit 2:

 

Second battle; Admiral Graf Spee

 

Spoiler

 

She suffers more from the lack of survivability skills (Fire Prevention, Basics of Survivability) than other cruisers, but she is still the tankiest of the three (Perth, Duca d'Aosta, AGS) in my opinion.

She has a long reload, so you have to pick your shots more carefully (like you would do in a battleship). On the other hand the larger caliber means you pack a (lot) heavier punch than the other two cruisers, and are able to also punish broadside battleships more.

The torpedoes are a nice addition (with very good firing angles), but I don't find myself using them that often.

 

[CaravellaCaravan]

I've bought Perth. Thanks for the comments. I really liked it. The smoke is awesome.

[lup3s]

1 hour ago, CaravellaCaravan said:

I've bought Perth. Thanks for the comments. I really liked it. The smoke is awesome.

 

If you are interested, I can give my Perth build ?

[BlackYeti]

I think Perth was a good choice, her only downside is lack of captain sharing possibility except for Haida/Vampire. AGS is a safe option but mediocre, if you want a hard hitting cruiser I recommend Molotov with her hard hitting tier 9 guns or Pensacola with USN AP and 25mm plating (AGS should have this instead, IMO) that lets you tank most BB's in ops.

[Purnylla]

Interesting topic, because I've been looking to get a few premium ships to play operations with. For tier 7 Narai I'm quite happy with my Atlanta and Scharnhorst. (I can really recommend both these ships for Narai and co-op). But I'm having a bit more trouble finding tier 6 ships to suit my playstyle in the tier 6 operations. I've recently bougth the Ark Royal which is a fun ship so far, not sure it's the best T6 CV for operations, but I do love those British carpet bombs. 

 

I'm enjoying the free London I got, it's a tad tankier than the average cruiser and the healing helps a bit, good HE shells for the lower tier enemy you often find in operations as well. Although the fire rate is a tad low. I might be interested in a light cruiser, similarish to Atlanta or Nürnberg, but premium T6.

 

Now I'm still looking for a good battleship for tier 6 operations. I'd love something tankier and decent fire rate and fun secondaries, similarish to Scharnhorst. I've been browsing through wiki pages and as far as I understand Prinz Eitel Friedrich comes closest, with decent tankiness and still decent fire rate. None of the other premium battleships I've read about really sparked my interest. 

 

I've also did some operations in the Aigle I unlocked for coal, but with mixed success. I'm not that good with squishy boats. The fire rate is decent but the gun traverse can be a pain with a squishy ship without smoke that needs to be stay on the move. Plus these bots are quite good at aiming their shells. :P

 

From the options OP mentioned, no clue. I'm not familiar with Perth and Duca D'aosta, but I dislike Graf Spee. I guess Graf Spee is a decent ship if you know how to play her, to me it's a ship that handles like a battleship but has the armor of a cruiser. I can't make Graf Spee work :P