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Clearly something is up because they do more HE damage - 1500 to 1200 - and have a higher fire chance - 8% compared to 5% - but their ROF is 5.2 seconds and their HE pen is 17 mm. 

 

They could do with either the pen or the rate of fire of the Akizuki guns as currently the ship is underpowered versus other DDs.

 

 

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this is what the old Akizuki looked like, but this ship has 5.2 second not 3 second cycle of fire. 

 

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Reminds me: I really need to try mine out properly; I've mostly been messing about with doing missions since I gave mine her initial Coop run-out...

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Just now, Verblonde said:

Reminds me: I really need to try mine out properly; I've mostly been messing about with doing missions since I gave mine her initial Coop run-out...

It actually works quite well except for being completely toothless versus same or higher tier DDs. I just got sunk by a lightning, the shame is real.

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I have decent enough results in her but I agree - she should have a ROF boost, no reason for her to have twice the reload of a zuki as none of her other traits are that different or overwhelming to warrant this, I mean ok the shells do a bit more damage but not like its almost twice the damage ffs

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9 hours ago, That_Other_Nid said:

They could do with either the pen or the rate of fire of the Akizuki guns as currently the ship is underpowered versus other DDs.

That's a bit too much. The ship feels to me as if it was meant to be a sort of Pan-Asian Asashio, picking off battleships with DWTs, but that focus has been damaged by the captain skills rework (as have other specialist torpedo ships like Yudachi). The torpedoes aren't quite fast enough and don't do quite enough damage to sink a high Tier BB, the guns aren't quite good enough to trade with other DDs, and running away from cruisers is the best strategy. 

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What most people have been missing is that Fen Yang has the same AP ricochet angles as Daring and Des Moines. 

 

But yeah I also think the overall package is only really strong against CVs, and that only for T8... 

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All I know is this... 

 

I have killed them one vs one with a Lightning, Kidd, Akizuki and Loyang. 

 

They are such poor DD fighters with that reload, pen and Deep water torps. When I see one in the enemy team, I make his/her life miserable. Even with their decent HP pool, it's still too easy to kill them. 

 

However, that is the price they pay for having deep water torps, improved AP bounce and defensive AA. Something had to give. 

 

They have to spend too many captain points on skills that other DDs don't, like IFHE. I hate it when it forces you to do that and an auto no no for me. 

 

This ship isn't meant to take on DDs in any form and any buffs in those areas starts to creep it up to too strong.  Hence why they nerfed it in testing, because that thing would have been deadly and rightly so. 

 

But right now, the Akizuki is simply better and can deal with everything.

 

With all the consumables, something has to give and its the DD vs DD guns and DD killing potential. You need balance and not another stronger than the rest premium. 

 

Its a BB killer at heart as it's got great fire potential and DW torps. It's another damage over time ship. 

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11 hours ago, Verblonde said:

Reminds me: I really need to try mine out properly; I've mostly been messing about with doing missions since I gave mine her initial Coop run-out...

I only played the ship once in Co-op and I found it underwhelming (I got it in a crate) as the reload is so slow and the DD drives like a bus with a flat tyre or two.

 

I'm not really a fan of DTs either - but that is just one more problem when facing an enemy DD.

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1 hour ago, Redcap375 said:

Its a BB killer at heart as it's got great fire potential and DW torps. It's another damage over time ship. 

Cossack have the same fire chance per shell, throws more shells due to faster reload and individual shells hits tad harder, doesn't require IFHE to deal with most destroyers or BB superstructures.

 

Cossack is noticeably faster, way more agile, have second best concealment on her tier and have Hydro, way more useful consumable than DFAA nowadays. Cossack torpedoes don't hit as hard and have 2km less range, but at the same time they reload almost twice as fast and can bonk anything that floats.

 

Ship that was sacrificed on gimmick altar. And if initial "copy paste Akizuki but with PA smoke and DFAA" would prove overpowered... just uptier the ship, given it has fictional AA refit with Bofors guns anyway

 

 

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56 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Cossack have the same fire chance per shell, throws more shells due to faster reload and individual shells hits tad harder, doesn't require IFHE to deal with most destroyers or BB superstructures.

 

Cossack is noticeably faster, way more agile, have second best concealment on her tier and have Hydro, way more useful consumable than DFAA nowadays. Cossack torpedoes don't hit as hard and have 2km less range, but at the same time they reload almost twice as fast and can bonk anything that floats.

 

Ship that was sacrificed on gimmick altar. And if initial "copy paste Akizuki but with PA smoke and DFAA" would prove overpowered... just uptier the ship, given it has fictional AA refit with Bofors guns anyway

 

 

Oh I agree with the cossack comments no doubt, but its like apples and pears. The cossack at heart is DD hunter, the Fen isn't. 

 

How would the cossack be if you added on DW to with defensive AA? You would have a ship that can sink a BB in one, hunt DDs when it isn't doing that, swatting same or lower tier planes And smoke with a longer duration for fires. Farrrrr to much. 

 

The cossack is a very good ship but its still handicapped. The torps are shorter, carry less damage, has no AA, no heal and its HP is low. Plus its rear guns have awful arcs which forces it to turn boardside or sit in its short smoke. It has no durability. 

 

I would much rather be in a Kidd then a cossack any day one vs one and have many a times. 

 

But anyway, the Fen is what it is. You give it more shell power and your blurring the lines. 

 

P.s. Just because I hate seeing people being forced to spend captain skills on a necessity, if they increased the pen I wouldn't mind solely based on that fact.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Redcap375 said:

I would much rather be in a Kidd then a cossack any day one vs one and have many a times. 

I prefer my HSF Harekaze over the Cossack (I have both).

 

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