[SAAF] liwile_1 [SAAF] Players 6 posts 4,564 battles Report post #1 Posted January 26 Hi Commanders Hope Im in the right section if not plz direct me to it. Question Where does wargaming get there stats and info regrading the BB. lets just start with BB for now. Regards Liwile 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CATS] ColonelPete Players 31,115 posts 15,725 battles Report post #2 Posted January 26 They create them. Some is based on historical figures or designs, but much is based on design philosophy for that line or balance decisions. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SAAF] liwile_1 [SAAF] Players 6 posts 4,564 battles Report post #3 Posted January 26 Was the Kremlin ever build Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[4_0_4] Zemeritt Players 8,157 posts 14,609 battles Report post #4 Posted January 26 6 hours ago, liwile_1 said: Was the Kremlin ever build lol, no. The only T10 BB that ever was build is the Yamato. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SAAF] liwile_1 [SAAF] Players 6 posts 4,564 battles Report post #5 Posted January 27 The Montana was design and planned for production. ""The Montana-class battleships were planned as successors of the Iowa class for the United States Navy, to be slower but larger, better armored, and with superior firepower. Five were approved for construction during World War II, but changes in wartime building priorities resulted in their cancellation in favor of continuing production of Essex-class aircraft carriers and Iowa-class battleships before any Montana-class keels were laid. "" Could this be the kremlin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovetsky_Soyuz-class_battleship https://warships.fandom.com/wiki/Kremlin#:~:text=Kremlin is a one off,predecessor the Sovietsky Soyuz-class. Im just interested which Tier 10 BB (stock and Premuins) are real(build and or design) and which are fake (if you can say that) So far Yamota Montana (design, approved and never build) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] SV_Kompresor Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 4,118 posts 10,328 battles Report post #6 Posted January 27 Stalingrad....though technically a battlecruiser but still. C'mon it's basically the size of a BB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WOB] Marblehead_1 Players 2,425 posts 25,073 battles Report post #7 Posted January 27 I think I didn't make any errors but this is my list: Battleships: Yamato - built in 3 examples with one converted into CV, Shikishima - not named and never built 4th Yamato class battleship with enlarged guns as it's almost sure that last ship will have 510mm, Montana - planned into build, not started, not sure did Midway and FDR were based on hull lines of Montana, Ohio - USN never considered serious 457 guns although one piece of gun was produced - WG imagination, Grosser Kurfurst - one of maaaanyyyy preliminary projects of super battleship, Kremlin - project although as I remember Stalin was negative about 457 guns and 406 were more possible, Slava - real project, Conqueror - mix of Vanguard and Lion enlarged - WG imagination Thunderer - enlarged Vanguard and with much more powerfull cannons - WG imagination, Republique - enlarged Gascogne with more powerfull cannons - WG imagination, Bourgogne - refit of Alasce class shown in similar manner like refit of Jean Bart in 50's Cruisers: Zao - IJN never considered triple 203mm - WG imagination, Des Moines and Salem - both built and Salem is museum ship, Worcester - built, Hindenburg - WG imagination, Moskva - there are project of 220mm gun for this cruiser for sure, Smolensk - project, Alexandr Nevsky - project, Stalingrad - started but never completed, Petropavlowsk - project, Henri IV - enlarged WG imagination of Saint Louis project, Colbert - built, converted into museum ship but scrapped, Venezia - WG imagination Most destroyers were real with Harugumo, Kleber, Marceau, Z-52, Khabarovsk and Grozovoi as projects. Harugumo - not sure did even was project, Kleber - real project, Marceau - after war refit of Kleber class into 127mm guns 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SAAF] liwile_1 [SAAF] Players 6 posts 4,564 battles Report post #8 Posted January 27 Thanks for the info. So all the ships that shoot the @#$ out of you is WG imagination Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[URUC] S_h_i_v_a Players 375 posts Report post #9 Posted January 27 1 ora fa, liwile_1 ha scritto: Thanks for the info. So all the ships that shoot the @#$ out of you is WG imagination Consider that only the US had an industry able to build fast enough new ships based on new projects. Germany and Japan had not the resources to do that. UK was surrounded by german subs, their industry never got enough materials. France was occupied as war started, all their plans were canceled during occupation, and was liberated when Germany was only fighting a sub war in the atlantic. Russia needed to keep open the route USA - Murmansk, and more than Torpitz - hidden in a norvegian fjord - their biggest problem were the subs. Not all nations were able to build T-X ships. Lots were simply planned or never completed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tzoli Alpha Tester 385 posts 357 battles Report post #10 Posted January 31 Oh and you will never find these ship names in any creditable sources, both books, magazines or official documents. The only true names were Yamato, Montana, Worcester, Des Moines, Stalingrad classes. Others are just pure imagination names Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 10,867 posts 7,471 battles Report post #11 Posted January 31 On 1/26/2021 at 3:04 PM, liwile_1 said: Hi Commanders Hope Im in the right section if not plz direct me to it. Question Where does wargaming get there stats and info regrading the BB. lets just start with BB for now. Regards Liwile Pulled out of very thin air Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAIFU] CaptainKreutzer Players 241 posts 8,079 battles Report post #12 Posted February 1 On 1/27/2021 at 4:02 PM, Marblehead_1 said: I think I didn't make any errors but this is my list: Battleships: Yamato - built in 3 examples with one converted into CV, Shikishima - not named and never built 4th Yamato class battleship with enlarged guns as it's almost sure that last ship will have 510mm, Montana - planned into build, not started, not sure did Midway and FDR were based on hull lines of Montana, Ohio - USN never considered serious 457 guns although one piece of gun was produced - WG imagination, Grosser Kurfurst - one of maaaanyyyy preliminary projects of super battleship, Kremlin - project although as I remember Stalin was negative about 457 guns and 406 were more possible, Slava - real project, Conqueror - mix of Vanguard and Lion enlarged - WG imagination Thunderer - enlarged Vanguard and with much more powerfull cannons - WG imagination, Republique - enlarged Gascogne with more powerfull cannons - WG imagination, Bourgogne - refit of Alasce class shown in similar manner like refit of Jean Bart in 50's Cruisers: Zao - IJN never considered triple 203mm - WG imagination, Des Moines and Salem - both built and Salem is museum ship, Worcester - built, Hindenburg - WG imagination, Moskva - there are project of 220mm gun for this cruiser for sure, Smolensk - project, Alexandr Nevsky - project, Stalingrad - started but never completed, Petropavlowsk - project, Henri IV - enlarged WG imagination of Saint Louis project, Colbert - built, converted into museum ship but scrapped, Venezia - WG imagination Most destroyers were real with Harugumo, Kleber, Marceau, Z-52, Khabarovsk and Grozovoi as projects. Harugumo - not sure did even was project, Kleber - real project, Marceau - after war refit of Kleber class into 127mm guns Corrections. Battleships: Shikishima - She's A-150 design Montana - ordered but cancelled later, Midway is entirely different design. Grosser Kurfurst - There's no design that is like GK, She's WG's own creation Kremlin - Early project 24 design battleship Slava - Later version of Project 24 battleship after 457 mm guns are declined. Vermont - one of the Tillman design battleship Colombo - Ferratti's battleship G project or atleast very similar to it. Cruisers: Zao - Actually they did considered making triple 203 mm turrets, Zao is real design named "Type A 1941" Moskva - Project 66 cruiser Smolensk - project MLK 16 - 130 anti aircraft cruiser Alexandr Nevsky - Project 84 anti aircraft cruiser Petropavlowsk - Preliminary project of Project 82 in 1949 Destroyers: Grozovoi - Project 40N design Khabarovsk - Project 47 design Z52 - Zestörer 1944 class destroyer Elbing - Spähkreuzer 1938 design Harugumo - She's WG's own creation, last AA DD design of IJN is V7 which is Kitakaze. Kleber - Futher development of Mogador class destroyer 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WOB] Marblehead_1 Players 2,425 posts 25,073 battles Report post #13 Posted February 1 2 hours ago, CaptainKreutzer said: Corrections. Battleships: Shikishima - She's A-150 design Montana - ordered but cancelled later, Midway is entirely different design. Grosser Kurfurst - There's no design that is like GK, She's WG's own creation Kremlin - Early project 24 design battleship Slava - Later version of Project 24 battleship after 457 mm guns are declined. Vermont - one of the Tillman design battleship Colombo - Ferratti's battleship G project or atleast very similar to it. Cruisers: Zao - Actually they did considered making triple 203 mm turrets, Zao is real design named "Type A 1941" Moskva - Project 66 cruiser Smolensk - project MLK 16 - 130 anti aircraft cruiser Alexandr Nevsky - Project 84 anti aircraft cruiser Petropavlowsk - Preliminary project of Project 82 in 1949 Destroyers: Grozovoi - Project 40N design Khabarovsk - Project 47 design Z52 - Zestörer 1944 class destroyer Elbing - Spähkreuzer 1938 design Harugumo - She's WG's own creation, last AA DD design of IJN is V7 which is Kitakaze. Kleber - Futher development of Mogador class destroyer Oh yes I made mistake in case of Shikishima. I read in on one place that her armor scheme it's just Yamato class and her hull is just ctrl+c ctrl+v Yamato with different armament when A-150 should have different armor and hull design? I would definitely want to know what it's true. Unfortunately I didn't have Shikishima ( bought FDR instead ) and after last "glorious" patch I can't now see armor schemes of Armory ships. So Grosser Kurfurst isn't just H-class enlarged and with similar treatment as Vanguard-Thunderer or Gascogne-Republique? Cristophero Colombo resembles in few aspects this mentioned project. I wonder did WWI ship even if heavily modified in style of Giulio Cesare could be TX? Beyond quad 15 inch guns and some secondary mounts she must have changed machinery to archive "modern" speed ect. So far it looks like 20% of real design and 80% of WG imagination which is heavily transformed. It's definitely different case than Vermont which even if her look is based on refits of old USN battleships then she still have resemblance of Tillman projects. Personally I'm not suprised that Soviet TX were based on real projects as they have access to probably best sources for this matter like Naval Archives ect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SAAF] liwile_1 [SAAF] Players 6 posts 4,564 battles Report post #14 Posted February 1 As per US Naval https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_carriers_of_the_United_States_Navy Midway and FDR is a Midway classCV CVb-1 and CVB-2 But then there are CV that are newer Forrestal, Kitty Hawk, Enterprise, John f Kennedy, Nimitz and Gerald R Ford classes (wargaming must plz keep then out of the game) Vermont Kansas and Minnesota where all build https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battleships_of_the_United_States Battlecruiser - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battlecruisers_of_the_United_States Lexington class 8 x 406mm Mainguns they can bring this into WOWS Alaska class 9x 305mm Mainguns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_destroyers_of_the_United_States_Navy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cruisers_of_the_United_States_Navy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CATS] ColonelPete Players 31,115 posts 15,725 battles Report post #15 Posted February 1 1 hour ago, liwile_1 said: Vermont Kansas and Minnesota where all build https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battleships_of_the_United_States Not the ones we have in game... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OMPG] TohtoriP Beta Tester 381 posts 6,686 battles Report post #16 Posted February 1 On 1/27/2021 at 3:02 PM, Marblehead_1 said: Shikishima - not named and never built 4th Yamato class battleship with enlarged guns as it's almost sure that last ship will have 510mm, Fourth Yamato would have probably been another 460mm vessel as that was planned to be built before the docks would be free to implement the A-150 design and 510mm guns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tzoli Alpha Tester 385 posts 357 battles Report post #17 Posted February 7 All Yamatos would be 460mm armed ones but the design evolved as the ships constructed: Yamato subclass: Yamato (No.1) , Musashi (No.2) 41cm belt armour 20cm deck 3x3 46cm, 4x3 15,5cm, 6x2 12,7cm which later changed to 2x3 15,5cm and 12x2 12,7cm Shinano Subclass Shinano (No.110), No.111 40cm belt armour 19cm deck armour tonnage relocated to improved double bottom and other "sensitive" places like sensors 3x3 46cm, 4x3 15,5cm, 6x2 10cm which likely would be later changed to No.797 standard: 2x3 15,5cm and 12x2 10cm No.797 Subclass No.797 40cm belt armour 19cm deck armour tonnage relocated to full triple bottom and other "sensitive" places like sensors 3x3 46cm, 2x3 15,5cm, 12x2 10cm Of course the design take into consideration the install of twin 51cm turrets in place of the 46cm ones to maintain gunnery superiority over the USN (Japan expected that the follow up design of the Iowa which became the Montana will be equipped with 18" cannons) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
totally_potato Players 1,203 posts Report post #18 Posted May 26 On 2/1/2021 at 5:11 PM, Marblehead_1 said: So Grosser Kurfurst isn't just H-class enlarged and with similar treatment as Vanguard-Thunderer or Gascogne-Republique? well she is apparently the summary of all the design studies and a prediction of what the Germans would have settled for. They aren't quite wrong about the caliber and size, although I am a bit skeptical of the no. of guns. There were no H projects with 12 guns Even Hitler's dream of H-45 which was half a kilometer long, had the Gustav guns aka 800mm guns, the entire aft of the ship as a CV with 75 planes, torpedoes and going 30 knots with more armor than the entire tank force of Germany and the WW1 dreadnoughts combined, had only 8 guns Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CATS] ColonelPete Players 31,115 posts 15,725 battles Report post #19 Posted May 26 4 hours ago, totally_potato said: well she is apparently the summary of all the design studies and a prediction of what the Germans would have settled for. They aren't quite wrong about the caliber and size, although I am a bit skeptical of the no. of guns. There were no H projects with 12 guns Even Hitler's dream of H-45 which was half a kilometer long, had the Gustav guns aka 800mm guns, the entire aft of the ship as a CV with 75 planes, torpedoes and going 30 knots with more armor than the entire tank force of Germany and the WW1 dreadnoughts combined, had only 8 guns H-45 is a web invention... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
totally_potato Players 1,203 posts Report post #20 Posted May 26 1 minute ago, ColonelPete said: H-45 is a web invention... I saw some drawing of the ships in some sources. Can't tell if its fiction but seems pretty legit for a Hitler dream since he was quite an oscar winning madman.......Oh wait that's joker, nvm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CATS] ColonelPete Players 31,115 posts 15,725 battles Report post #21 Posted May 26 1 minute ago, totally_potato said: I saw some drawing of the ships in some sources. Can't tell if its fiction but seems pretty legit for a Hitler dream since he was quite an oscar winning madman.......Oh wait that's joker, nvm That was a modern sketch... Spoiler Hint: It is english... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
totally_potato Players 1,203 posts Report post #22 Posted May 27 9 hours ago, ColonelPete said: That was a modern sketch... Hide contents Hint: It is english... Yeah, this one It looks like something Hitler would come up with I mean he also came up with Flugdeckkreuzer This crap and there are designs for that I am coming up with a line for this concept to be added at a late point of the game, which is currently in the works Point is, hitler came up with some nasty crap, so I am pretty convinced H-45 was a dream of Hitler 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LastButterfly Beta Tester 5,448 posts 2,939 battles Report post #23 Posted May 27 12 hours ago, totally_potato said: Point is, hitler came up with some nasty crap, so I am pretty convinced H-45 was a dream of Hitler It was not. It would appear a "historian" named David Porter stumbled upon a forum discussion about the theorical possibility of fitting 800mm guns on a battleship and mistook it as a discussion about a real thing. Instead of making more reasearch or simply reading correctly his "sources", he included a mention of this 800mm-wielding battleship in a book her published. Every subsequent mention and drawing of H-45 as a "real historical project" instead of just as a joke, "fanmade" battleship comes from after he published that book, and everyone with sources trace back to his book. You got caught in the error of a pseudo-historian who took what he found on the internet for granted. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
totally_potato Players 1,203 posts Report post #24 Posted May 28 14 hours ago, LastButterfly said: It was not. It would appear a "historian" named David Porter stumbled upon a forum discussion about the theorical possibility of fitting 800mm guns on a battleship and mistook it as a discussion about a real thing. Instead of making more reasearch or simply reading correctly his "sources", he included a mention of this 800mm-wielding battleship in a book her published. Every subsequent mention and drawing of H-45 as a "real historical project" instead of just as a joke, "fanmade" battleship comes from after he published that book, and everyone with sources trace back to his book. You got caught in the error of a pseudo-historian who took what he found on the internet for granted. Ok Still, would be pretty funny to have one of these monsters in WoWs. Then again, the shockwaves of these guns would knock planes out of the sky, and all 8 shells hit would nuke everything in sight, even a small country. So idk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
