[VLOOT] RamboCras Players 407 posts 24,767 battles Report post #1 Posted January 24, 2021 Was in a game in my Massa with a tier 8 cruiser at 9,8km and he had 762 health. My secondaries could not finish him off, not 1 hit. 2 minutes later another cruiser (tier 7) attacks me, my main guns bring him down to 1000 health, he is on 1.2km and in 3 salvos my secondaries make ZERO damage. Before the patch, you could set your sec. on a ship and they would take care of it. Now.. you have NO clue if they will finish of the ship. 2 days ago i was angled at an IOWA at 7.9k and I hit him with 2-3 per salve, that used to be 5-6. The Meta is also fucked, where sometimes ships would follow you in or be close and make their shots count as you were focussed and pushed, they are now all 10+k behind you sniping doing for less damage. Flamy showed it in his video, you make more damage with plunging fire from 20k than on a broadside Russian BB 11-13k away. What does WG want, we all hang back shoot in turn cause that is cheaper to program? Kill off all dynamic play. They make us regrind our ship lines, now regrind captain XP, what's next, regrind your credits or convert XP? Regrind modules? Camo's, flags? Why don't they make another map or so? Change the scenery??? 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MBHH] Trench4nt Players 1,976 posts Report post #2 Posted January 24, 2021 So what you are describing is RNG. If you really want to start a substantial thread, compare the average fire and secondary dmg of ~100 games in Massachusetts before and after the patch. 6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-BDF-] hithero_1 Players 6 posts 16,082 battles Report post #3 Posted January 24, 2021 I can confirm that Massa is now crap at brawling. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkollUlfr Players 1,168 posts 6,026 battles Report post #4 Posted January 24, 2021 secondaries are bad for the same reason a lot of things are bad. weegee refuse to use anything other than rng and dpm for balance. when they could use the similar dispersion systems as those in WoT where traverse tracking throws off horizontal dispersion and elevation tracking throws off vertical dispersion. beyond that there are many different things that could be done to balance secondaries, such as their modern cwis like traverse. or even using angular size as an accuracy modifier. which iirc, eve dose. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[VLOOT] RamboCras Players 407 posts 24,767 battles Report post #5 Posted January 26, 2021 On 1/24/2021 at 10:59 AM, Trench4nt said: So what you are describing is RNG. If you really want to start a substantial thread, compare the average fire and secondary dmg of ~100 games in Massachusetts before and after the patch. it by no means RNG, 1.5km distance no sec. hits in 3 salvo's in a massa... that's broken. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WWII] NuttyNinja Players 4 posts 6,186 battles Report post #6 Posted January 27, 2021 Yep After this update, My smolensk is now scrap metal ....i have to sail so close even DD's are having a blast ...not sure i want to be here anymore in more ways than one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[O-V] johncl Players 348 posts 13,758 battles Report post #7 Posted January 27, 2021 100% true ...Secondary's are FUBAR .....Hence i no longer play this game ...Invest in Pommern Georgia ..Only for the whole play style to be nerfed ..... I tell you what is good ...Not giving a flying F$%& about what WG do to there silly pixels in the future .....Real life is still goood even in these dark times ,,,Try it 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOWS] GravediggerN1 Players 2 posts 14,888 battles Report post #8 Posted January 30, 2021 Spent years investing in sec ships. Over night all of them are useless. Making all the longfiring ships stronger and the sec ship scrap metal, what an incredible bad idea. For me this game is dead 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RODS] Ronchabale Players 2,503 posts 8,754 battles Report post #9 Posted January 30, 2021 They released Pommern in August fully aware that is was going to be rubbish a few months later 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MBHH] Trench4nt Players 1,976 posts Report post #10 Posted February 1, 2021 Am 27.1.2021 um 04:41, NuttyNinja sagte: Yep After this update, My smolensk is now scrap metal ....i have to sail so close even DD's are having a blast ...not sure i want to be here anymore in more ways than one So finally you can learn how to play the game instead of Smoking up in the back and do point and click. I guess nobody is worried about Smolensk's decreased firing range except the owners themselves who bought the ship because it was OP. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] Mrs_Ragdoll Players 347 posts 13,528 battles Report post #11 Posted February 1, 2021 On 1/30/2021 at 10:10 AM, Ronchabale said: They released Pommern in August fully aware that is was going to be rubbish a few months later Too bad I wasn't aware at that time, I bought the Pommern for my birthday that month and also bought Tirpitz B with Black Friday (Atago B too, didn't had any of them also not the regulair version). Both are garbage now while full secondary brawling was my favorite play style. I really hope WG will fix it but until then my wallet stays closed. I used to spend 40 to 80 euro's per month on this game for already 5.5 years, so imagine what they are missing from me alone now and imagine when probably others are doing the same. I've heard a lot of people saying I won't spend money now, really hope they mean it. And then it's in EVERYONE's interest that it will be fixed, for us as customers and WG their bank account. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RODS] Ronchabale Players 2,503 posts 8,754 battles Report post #12 Posted February 1, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 4:41 AM, NuttyNinja said: Yep After this update, My smolensk is now scrap metal ....i have to sail so close even DD's are having a blast ...not sure i want to be here anymore in more ways than one Bye Bye to the Molester is one of the few good things with this update 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DEFR] PsychoClownfish Players 759 posts Report post #13 Posted February 1, 2021 On 1/30/2021 at 10:10 AM, Ronchabale said: They released Pommern in August fully aware that is was going to be rubbish a few months later Pommern is actually good in sniper build. 😂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] Mrs_Ragdoll Players 347 posts 13,528 battles Report post #14 Posted February 1, 2021 43 minutes ago, PsychoClownfish said: Pommern is actually good in sniper build. 😂 I already have 35 other BBs like that, Georgia the best! I want my secondary builds back. At least the same as before, but should be even better since we also lost a heal and helping at the caps/tanking damage needs to be rewarded and will lose more HP than BBs sitting in the back sniping. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fabatka Players 152 posts 9,516 battles Report post #15 Posted February 2, 2021 Meh, check the german secondaries. They hit rate is less then 10%. After killing their main guns, now they killed the secondaries. Now, they are just nothing just HP pool for dmg farmers.... Sickgaming... 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ashardalon_Dragnipur Players 493 posts 5,494 battles Report post #16 Posted February 2, 2021 yay below 10% hitrate when firing at BBs the idea that secondary builds are for pushing in closer where you can have them fighting off DDs while your main guns blap cruisers is a complete joke so if your completely unable to have any use up close, what is the point of the build 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BTS] Supersubway Beta Tester 110 posts 15,236 battles Report post #17 Posted February 2, 2021 Massa is now crap. But also Ohio. Can't play them anymore! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[VLOOT] RamboCras Players 407 posts 24,767 battles Report post #18 Posted February 3, 2021 I had a sec. built Yama (with manual sec.), 10.6 km, it was having 2 Atlanta's glued to each side. Any DD that got close and thought they were safe cause the turrets are slow on the Yama and thought they could get away with shooting and setting a fire or any other reason they would become visible... they had a serious problem if they were within 10.6 km. It is SUCH a pity that they broke is, now it had deadeye and legendary and hangs in the back.. snipe snipe snipe 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DEFR] PsychoClownfish Players 759 posts Report post #19 Posted February 4, 2021 On 2/1/2021 at 10:22 PM, Mrs_Ragdoll said: I already have 35 other BBs like that, Georgia the best! I want my secondary builds back. At least the same as before, but should be even better since we also lost a heal and helping at the caps/tanking damage needs to be rewarded and will lose more HP than BBs sitting in the back sniping. Agreed. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
