Stupid skills lead to a stupid meta.

[Prophecy82]

So I checked out a farmbot-Hindi-Build.

 

 

Damage-wise this is great... concealment-wise its abysmal. 

Which leads to back-row DMG farming. There are a lot of other ships which can do the same, like HIV, Yoshino, Nevski....

 

Nice Meta you are creating here, WG. Everybody stay back and farm. Same is true for Gunboats/Gunheavy Hybrids. 

Abushes are gone, flanking is gone... well even more then before (tnx CV-Rework). 

Only bow-in farming stupidity remains.... and I havent touched Eagle Eyed yet. 

[Salentine]

13 minutes ago, Prophecy82 said:

Which leads to back-row DMG farming. There are a lot of other ships which can do the same, like HIV, Yoshino, Nevski....

 

Nice Meta you are creating here, WG. Everybody stay back and farm. Same is true for Gunboats/Gunheavy Hybrids. 

Abushes are gone, flanking is gone... well even more then before (tnx CV-Rework). 

Only bow-in farming stupidity remains.... and I havent touched Eagle Eyed yet. 

so what's changed game play wise from 0.9.12? that's what those ships did anyway (except the torp rush and die in 2 minute Yoshino's you met occasionally)

[Yedwy]

I have similar build on Drake right now and its outright hilarious... 

[Prophecy82]

10 minutes ago, Salentine said:

so what's changed game play wise from 0.9.12? that's what those ships did anyway (except the torp rush and die in 2 minute Yoshino's you met occasionally)

 

Pre 0.10.0 I could "dive" a bit deeper and give better support for DDs due to lower concealment. 

Now you want a worse concealment so that reload-buff kicks in more often and more reliable.  

[Prophecy82]

10 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

I have similar build on Drake right now and its outright hilarious... 

 

Got "confederate" before I procced Lütjens 120 hits buff. 

[HidesHisFace]

What basically changed is that BBs can sit further in the back and be accurate.

 

Cruisers can't build for firepower without hampering their concealment. This also means that their safety buffer in form of concealment is smaller than ever - basically - cruisers are now even easier to delete if they want to keep up in terms of firepower.

 

DDs have better tool to stay hidden with the skill that improves their speed while undetected and some decent torp buffs.

 

I won't even mention carrier skills - some of them are abusrd.

 

Long story short - everything seems to get stretched closer to the map borders.

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

Have you *had* Hindenburgs, Yoshinos etc. in games? They sat back and farmed anyway, I don't see the difference...

[Captain_82]

1 hour ago, Prophecy82 said:

So I checked out a farmbot-Hindi-Build.

 

 

Abushes are gone, flanking is gone

 

I have to disagree! Posted the screenshots already in the german forum:

 

I actually managed to sneak up to the enemy Parseval in ranked. Sent him to Davy Jones` Locker at point blank range.

As a matter of fact, it turned out he was quite a decent CV-player with good damage numbers (70k average in ranked).

 

I admit, I was lucky there too but imho you still can pull off ambushes/sneak attacks. If the CV is occupied elsewhere that is.

[Jethro_Grey]

1 hour ago, Prophecy82 said:

So I checked out a farmbot-Hindi-Build.

 

 

Damage-wise this is great... concealment-wise its abysmal. 

Which leads to back-row DMG farming. There are a lot of other ships which can do the same, like HIV, Yoshino, Nevski....

 

Nice Meta you are creating here, WG. Everybody stay back and farm. Same is true for Gunboats/Gunheavy Hybrids. 

Abushes are gone, flanking is gone... well even more then before (tnx CV-Rework). 

Only bow-in farming stupidity remains.... and I havent touched Eagle Eyed yet. 

The meta was always there, it just went from "range builds optional" to "range builds mandatory ".

 

So finally, after years, WG finally managed to keep a promise: they promised that the commander skill rework will change the meta and it did! From a 80% campfest to a 100% campfest. 

 

And oh boy, i wish they had lied.

[Prophecy82]

2 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said:

The meta was always there, it just went from "range builds optional" to "range builds mandatory ".

 

So finally, after years, WG finally managed to keep a promise: they promised that the commander skill rework will change the meta and it did! From a 80% campfest to a 100% campfest. 

 

And oh boy, i wish they had lied.

 

True that. sadly...

[SkollUlfr]

backline camping would go away real fast if the 3x multiplier on shell velocities was toned down.

bow camping would go away real fast if dispersion wasnt sideways, and shell arcs where steeper.

[VIadoCro]

The new meta seems to be "If you can see the enemy, you are too close"

[VIadoCro]

5 minutes ago, SkollUlfr said:

backline camping would go away real fast if the 3x multiplier on shell velocities was toned down.

bow camping would go away real fast if dispersion wasnt sideways, and shell arcs where steeper.

eh eh, are you asking for more realism? 

[nambr9]

WE are telling them this all the time ... but like they said ... we are 5%. 

 

Average potatoes (95%) actually want this.

[SkollUlfr]

6 minutes ago, VIadoCro said:

eh eh, are you asking for more realism? 

asking for better gameplay thats based more on player ability and player action than it is on cartoon game mechanics.

that this aligns with 'more realism' is just a coincidence.

 

oh what a game this would be if ability to predict a target, and ability to manoeuvre where considered skills, rather than playing peek-a-boo at 4kts.

 

2 minutes ago, nambr9 said:

Average potatoes (95%) actually want this.

im about as average potato as you can get, and i hate all of this.

i think its a misconceived train wreck akin to rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.

[chazwozza]

Ambushes and sneak attacks left the building when this new idiotic CV game play joined

[Skyllon]

You saying Co-oP is going to be even more crowded?

[nambr9]

50 minutes ago, SkollUlfr said:

asking for better gameplay thats based more on player ability and player action than it is on cartoon game mechanics.

that this aligns with 'more realism' is just a coincidence.

 

oh what a game this would be if ability to predict a target, and ability to manoeuvre where considered skills, rather than playing peek-a-boo at 4kts.

 

im about as average potato as you can get, and i hate all of this.

i think its a misconceived train wreck akin to rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.

 

You are not.

Average potato does not communicate in chat, does not watch WoWS content and does not participate on forums.

[bloodynicknames]

it's already taking hold, just had a couple games where half the teams were just hugigng the borders 10min in sniping each other. 

I mean on the other hand what WG does here is only consistent with the way the game has been going for a long time now. cruisers that show their face even for a few seconds get instagibbed, DDs are harassed to no end by the CVs and all that is left is if you dont wanna get into the CV mess is play the potato class, BBs. 
This is all driven by WGs drive for profits, survivability in terms of sheer health and the ability to snipe is what WG wants to deliver to the potatoes, after all, a 45% player wont have a good time in a wooster or kleber since that would require skill to play. So they give them this. This all started with the British BBs who, imo, were a lot worse for the overall meta than the CV rework. Basically these things are meant to camp at the back and make it easy to farm damage. And everything else WG did recently goes in this direction. 

for me, im done, i've sat through CV rework and been around for 4-5 years but this garbage and blatant obviousness in which WG is trying to get players to spend dubloons is too much, i'm a customer and not some money-pinata. 

[kieodox]

the game is in a pretty depressing state it has to be said

[Zen71_sniper]

1 hour ago, bloodynicknames said:

And everything else WG did recently goes in this direction. 

for me, im done, i've sat through CV rework and been around for 4-5 years but this garbage and blatant obviousness in which WG is trying to get players to spend dubloons is too much, i'm a customer and not some money-pinata. 

+1

[GulvkluderGuld]

1 hour ago, bloodynicknames said:

for me, im done, i've sat through CV rework and been around for 4-5 years but this garbage and blatant obviousness in which WG is trying to get players to spend dubloons is too much, i'm a customer and not some money-pinata. 

Been playing DDs and it's still enjoyable since most games dont have a CV in them. 

 

I rarely if ever give in to the Dark Side and take my FDR out for a spin 

[RepSrb]

paolo emilio blazing at over 60 knts , [edited]this

[LoveZeppelin]

5 hours ago, Prophecy82 said:

So I checked out a farmbot-Hindi-Build.

 

 

Damage-wise this is great... concealment-wise its abysmal. 

Which leads to back-row DMG farming. There are a lot of other ships which can do the same, like HIV, Yoshino, Nevski....

 

Nice Meta you are creating here, WG. Everybody stay back and farm. Same is true for Gunboats/Gunheavy Hybrids. 

Abushes are gone, flanking is gone... well even more then before (tnx CV-Rework). 

Only bow-in farming stupidity remains.... and I havent touched Eagle Eyed yet. 

this has to be about the subs

[Flavio1997]

5 hours ago, Prophecy82 said:

So I checked out a farmbot-Hindi-Build.

 

 

Damage-wise this is great... concealment-wise its abysmal. 

Which leads to back-row DMG farming. There are a lot of other ships which can do the same, like HIV, Yoshino, Nevski....

 

Nice Meta you are creating here, WG. Everybody stay back and farm. Same is true for Gunboats/Gunheavy Hybrids. 

Abushes are gone, flanking is gone... well even more then before (tnx CV-Rework). 

Only bow-in farming stupidity remains.... and I havent touched Eagle Eyed yet. 

you didn't go all in, my hindy get spotted at 18.4 kms now

 

4 minutes ago, LoveZeppelin said:

this has to be about the subs

ofc this is about the subs

 

 

 

boy oh boy I would love for the dead eye skill to be reversed