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In this article https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/general-news/commander-skills-update/

 

WG state the following ...

If a Commander is not tied to a ship of their specialization, they will be assigned to a ship of their specialization with the release of Update 0.10.0. This only applies to researchable ships.

 

@MrConway@Crysantos@Tuccy How exactly is this rule going to be applied? It has the potential to cause some confusion and catch people out.

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Useless line of text since ALL commanders are tied to A ship. Even brand new ones start out tied to the T1 of their nation.

 

What I do wonder is what they will do with special commanders. Some of them have special skills that cease to exist.

For example the Dunkirk Bro's have +30% smoke radius in stead of the regular +20%. Will that spec be transferred to another skill?

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Doesnt that mean, that f.e. my Yamato does currently not have a captain, and i have a Captain in the reserve speciliazed for Yamato, that he will be assigned to the Yamato?

Wonder what happens if you have multiple captains specialized for one ship... captain goes poof?

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What would happen if a commander is in reserve, but the ship he is specialized for has been sold?

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Vor 14 Minuten, LordBodoM sagte:

 

For example the Dunkirk Bro's have +30% smoke radius in stead of the regular +20%. Will that spec be transferred to another skill?

Yes, judging from pts Dunkirk brothers will have the following skills post rework:

 

- turret traverse stays more or less the same

- JOAT gets replaced by the skill that reduces coldown on fighter, spotter, defaa, torp and main bat booster 

- SSE gets replaced within the other consumable skill which increases the activation time of Hydro, radar, smoke and motorboost

 

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Fat_Maniac said:

WG state the following ...

If a Commander is not tied to a ship of their specialization, they will be assigned to a ship of their specialization with the release of Update 0.10.0. This only applies to researchable ships.

combining the German and English articles (and taking the first sentence into account) I'd guess it means:

 

"If a captain is sitting on a ship he is not specialized for, he will be specialized for this ship automatically with the release of 0.10.0."

 

Because you can send a captain to a techtree ship without changing his specialization to this ship

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Klopirat said:

combining the German and English articles (and taking the first sentence into account) I'd guess it means:

 

"If a captain is sitting on a ship he is not specialized for, he will be specialized for this ship automatically with the release of 0.10.0." 

 

Because you can send a captain to a techtree ship without changing his specialization to this ship

 

 

 

Good to know that one actually :cap_yes:

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15 minutes ago, Klopirat said:

combining the German and English articles (and taking the first sentence into account) I'd guess it means:

 

"If a captain is sitting on a ship he is not specialized for, he will be specialized for this ship automatically with the release of 0.10.0." 

 

Because you can send a captain to a techtree ship without changing his specialization to this ship

 

 

So basically a free retraining for the ship he is currently commanding.

Sounds a lot different to the meaning of WG's statement though, which implied the commander would be automatically transferred to the ship he is currently specialized for.

One of the subtleties of language translation I guess.

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It's very clumsy English IMO; WG needs to have it rewritten by someone whose first language is English. My understanding of it is this ( I might be wrong, but it's what I think WG is trying to say ).

 

Take a German commander, as an example, whose specialization is the cruiser Nurnburg - but, you have placed him on the Hipper to retrain, so that  eventually Hipper will become his specialization once that retraining is complete. When  0.10.0 is released, his retraining will be automatically fully completed, and his specialization will be Hipper, without any further XP required.

 

If this is the case, then the night before the release of the update, take a good long look at all your commanders, move them round to where ever you want them, but don't spend anything on retraining. The update next morning will complete all the retraining. I plan to swap my 19 and 9 point commanders between Dallas and Cleveland, and move a 15 point German commander from Yorck to the German BB line.

 

That's my interpretation of it - I'm happy to be corrected, or for WG to employ a proof reader.

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2 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

So basically a free retraining for the ship he is currently commanding.

not only free, but also a "forced" retraining.

 

and as I said: this "interpretation" is only my guess, so it can be wrong and WG wants to tell us something different. But imho it would be logical, and it is a case that has to be covered (although I don't know why one should sent a captain to a techtree ship without retraining, because afaik skills aren't working at all and now captains xp is collected)

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10 minutes ago, Pametrada said:

It's very clumsy English IMO; WG needs to have it rewritten by someone whose first language is English. My understanding of it is this ( I might be wrong, but it's what I think WG is trying to say ).

 

Take a German commander, as an example, whose specialization is the cruiser Nurnburg - but, you have placed him on the Hipper to retrain, so that  eventually Hipper will become his specialization once that retraining is complete. When  0.10.0 is released, his retraining will be automatically fully completed, and his specialization will be Hipper, without any further XP required.

 

If this is the case, then the night before the release of the update, take a good long look at all your commanders, move them round to where ever you want them, but don't spend anything on retraining. The update next morning will complete all the retraining. I plan to swap my 19 and 9 point commanders between Dallas and Cleveland, and move a 15 point German commander from Yorck to the German BB line.

 

That's my interpretation of it - I'm happy to be corrected, or for WG to employ a proof reader.

That's how I read it, and I've already done what you suggest. I've moved commanders around, changed their specialisation to the new ship but spent nothing on accelerating the training. If we are right come Thursday morning, the captain should be fully training on his new ship, with the WG recommended skill set for that new ship.

 

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My real gripe with the commander skill rework is that what builds now take 19 points, they will require 21, even 22 points and grinding the 20th and 21st skills is horribly long, especially for people playing co-op.  This is because priority target, adrenaline rush and superintendent will require 1 extra skill point.

 

This farce of a rework is just to force people who have millions of elite captain xp to use it and then use doubloons. 

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29 minutes ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

Sounds a lot different to the meaning of WG's statement though, which implied the commander would be automatically transferred to the ship he is currently specialized for.

One of the subtleties of language translation I guess.

This is the bit I don't get or understand. Say you have a Yamato captain specialised for that boat, and another Yamato captain dumped on say Fuso, because he has more points than the old Fuso commander who you move to reserve. You just don't have the dubs or credits available when you did the move, so plan to spec him in and pay for retraining at a later date. Meanwhile you have moved your new Yamato captain to a prem boat for skill training. 

 

Come Thursday what happens. Does the Fuso capt get moved back to Yamato, or does he get specialised for Fuso.

 

Worse what if you didn't move your new capt on Yamato but have none on Izumo. Are WG going to move that captain on Fuso specialised for Yamato to the highest silver tier ship of that nation/class without a captain mounted? i.e. the Izumo, or spec him to the T1 line starter?

 

@MrConway we need clarification please.

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Vor 1 Stunde, DFens_666 sagte:

Wonder what happens if you have multiple captains specialized for one ship... captain goes poof?

This. For some ships I have 2 commanders, e.g. GK having a tank build and a secondary build commander. I can only place one of them on the ship, what will happen to the other one who is in reserve? Will he be forcefully assigned to any ship of that nation that had no commander on it, like my premiums? Or will he keep his GK specialization and stay in the reserve?

Any captain on a premium ship will be specialized in that premium ship? Do I need to clear all my premium ships of commanders before the update hits?

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13 minutes ago, Origin47 said:

My real gripe with the commander skill rework is that what builds now take 19 points, they will require 21, even 22 points and grinding the 20th and 21st skills is horribly long, especially for people playing co-op.  This is because priority target, adrenaline rush and superintendent will require 1 extra skill point.

 

This farce of a rework is just to force people who have millions of elite captain xp to use it and then use doubloons. 

 

 

I imagine the whole thing is intended to drain XP out of the game, preferably with players throwing cash at conversions and retraining. Probably the RB hasn't had the desired effect of soaking up FXP.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Klopirat said:

combining the German and English articles (and taking the first sentence into account) I'd guess it means:

 

"If a captain is sitting on a ship he is not specialized for, he will be specialized for this ship automatically with the release of 0.10.0."

 

Because you can send a captain to a techtree ship without changing his specialization to this ship

 

 

In other words, I need to remove captains from my premium ships, otherwise I'll have to retrain them back to the ship they are currently trained for....gg WG

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1 minute ago, SV_Kompresor said:

I need to remove captains from my premium ships

but

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This only applies to researchable ships

 

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7 minutes ago, Klopirat said:

but

 

Must be the drugs...nvm

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Před 20 hodinami Fat_Maniac řekl/a:

In this article https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/general-news/commander-skills-update/

 

WG state the following ...

If a Commander is not tied to a ship of their specialization, they will be assigned to a ship of their specialization with the release of Update 0.10.0. This only applies to researchable ships.

 

@MrConway@Crysantos@Tuccy How exactly is this rule going to be applied? It has the potential to cause some confusion and catch people out.

So, all commanders will be assigned to those ships, which is their specialization. So basically they all will be placed to those ships, where they belong.

If you have for example two commanders trained for Bismarck, they basically both should be assigned there, but of course you can't have two commanders on one ship, so one will be on Bismarck and second one will be sent to reserves. If reserves won't have any available place, it will be extended.

This will happen to all commanders.

 

Před 20 hodinami NewHorizons_1 řekl/a:

What would happen if a commander is in reserve, but the ship he is specialized for has been sold?

He will still stay in the reserve.

 

Před 19 hodinami Pametrada řekl/a:

It's very clumsy English IMO; WG needs to have it rewritten by someone whose first language is English. My understanding of it is this ( I might be wrong, but it's what I think WG is trying to say ).

 

Take a German commander, as an example, whose specialization is the cruiser Nurnburg - but, you have placed him on the Hipper to retrain, so that  eventually Hipper will become his specialization once that retraining is complete. When  0.10.0 is released, his retraining will be automatically fully completed, and his specialization will be Hipper, without any further XP required.

 

If this is the case, then the night before the release of the update, take a good long look at all your commanders, move them round to where ever you want them, but don't spend anything on retraining. The update next morning will complete all the retraining. I plan to swap my 19 and 9 point commanders between Dallas and Cleveland, and move a 15 point German commander from Yorck to the German BB line.

 

That's my interpretation of it - I'm happy to be corrected, or for WG to employ a proof reader.

You are correct. As was written, with release of 0.10.0 all retraining will be finished. So if you would do the shuffle and start the retraining process now, with the release of the update, all those retraining processes will be finished. But you really have to start that retraining, because if you only assing the commander to certain ship, but won't start the retraining, he will return back to the ship, which he is trained for.

 

Před 18 hodinami Fat_Maniac řekl/a:

This is the bit I don't get or understand. Say you have a Yamato captain specialised for that boat, and another Yamato captain dumped on say Fuso, because he has more points than the old Fuso commander who you move to reserve. You just don't have the dubs or credits available when you did the move, so plan to spec him in and pay for retraining at a later date. Meanwhile you have moved your new Yamato captain to a prem boat for skill training. 

 

Come Thursday what happens. Does the Fuso capt get moved back to Yamato, or does he get specialised for Fuso.

 

Worse what if you didn't move your new capt on Yamato but have none on Izumo. Are WG going to move that captain on Fuso specialised for Yamato to the highest silver tier ship of that nation/class without a captain mounted? i.e. the Izumo, or spec him to the T1 line starter?

 

@MrConway we need clarification please.

So, if that Yamato commander on Fuso haven't started his retraining, so basically is still trained for Yamato, on Thursday he will be placed back on Yamato, but if there is the previous Yamato commander, this one will be placed to reserves, trained for Yamato.

Here is important to which ship are the captains trained or currently doing the training.

 

Před 18 hodinami Johnny_Moneto řekl/a:

This. For some ships I have 2 commanders, e.g. GK having a tank build and a secondary build commander. I can only place one of them on the ship, what will happen to the other one who is in reserve? Will he be forcefully assigned to any ship of that nation that had no commander on it, like my premiums? Or will he keep his GK specialization and stay in the reserve?

Any captain on a premium ship will be specialized in that premium ship? Do I need to clear all my premium ships of commanders before the update hits?

@Crysantos @YabbaCoe

With the release of the update that GK commander, that is currently in reserves will stay in reserves and still will be trained for GK.

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22 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

If you have for example two commanders trained for Bismarck, they basically both should be assigned there, but of course you can't have two commanders on one ship, so one will be on Bismarck and second one will be sent to reserves. If reserves won't have any available place, it will be extended.

Thank you for the quick response.

 

Can I ask you another question please about the quoted scenario. 

 

Where people have two or more captains with different builds for one ship. The news article seems to suggest that once the rework lands on Thursday, all commanders will be retrained with a standard skill set for their ship. Does this mean that in the above case both commanders will get  the same skill set, one on the ship and one in the reserve, or have WG managed to see where say one is a secondary spec captain and the other is a survival build, and assigned the new skills to match?

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Před 38 minutami Fat_Maniac řekl/a:

Thank you for the quick response.

 

Can I ask you another question please about the quoted scenario. 

 

Where people have two or more captains with different builds for one ship. The news article seems to suggest that once the rework lands on Thursday, all commanders will be retrained with a standard skill set for their ship. Does this mean that in the above case both commanders will get  the same skill set, one on the ship and one in the reserve, or have WG managed to see where say one is a secondary spec captain and the other is a survival build, and assigned the new skills to match?

All captains will get set of reworked skills, that will be comparable or the same, when possible, to the previous ones. So if you have two commanders with different skills trained for the same ship, most likely they will have different skills trained. Anyway through the entire update you can always reset the skills for free to make them different, as you like.

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21 hours ago, Klopirat said:

Because you can send a captain to a techtree ship without changing his specialization to this ship

 

 

yes you can - he can sit there without retraining without any problem

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34 minutes ago, hypsar said:

yes you can - he can sit there without retraining without any problem

Not after Thursday he can't. As part of the upgrade he will be moved back to his specialised ship, or if there is a captain there back to the reserves. In addition his skills will be changed to a build suitable for his specialised ship. If you want him on his new ship. simply start the retraining for zero cost. After Thursday he will be fully retrained and have a default skill set for his new ship.

 

In all cases you still get a free skill reset if you want to take it.

 

After Thursday I guess you can move him and not retrain him, however no skills will be active if you take him into battle, until you have retrained him to his new ship. Of course this doesn't apply to premium boats.

 

 

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1 hour ago, YabbaCoe said:

Anyway through the entire update you can always reset the skills for free to make them different, as you like.

 

So since skill resets will cost 0 doubloons, if we (ab)use the automatic retraining feature to the fullest, we will get doubloons for free. That's... pretty nice, actually.

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