Commander Skills Update

[Sir_Sinksalot]

Why not at least add credits option to reset commanders skills? Like 500k to reset a 10 skill points and reduce commander to 90% or something? We can do that WoT and WoWP, why is WoWS the exception to the rule? It's either gold or an atrociously unreasonable amount of free/commander xp making gold the only real viable option which its not since it costs too much gold and have too many commanders so its just a rare reset here and there instead of having a nice credits option too.

[E_wan_o]

22 hours ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

You needed to begin the retraining after the transfer to the tech tree ship, but before the patch update, I'm afraid.

Thanks for posting your advice, I reread my post and realised that I'd not been clear about the problem.

Please read my followup post which more clearly explains the bug/fault/incorrect advice:

I'm interested on your thoughts, and also those of YabbaCoe.

[Resentina]

22 ore fa, YabbaCoe ha scritto:

As I understand from what you described, you haven't started the retraining of that commander to that ship. Just placing them on those ships wasn't enough, as they still were trained of another ship, so they returned to those ships, as described.

Also as described, all captains, that were currently in process of retraining, those training was completed. It was because since the beginning of the retraining, they are basically tight to that ship, that are being trained for.

This was described several times, but I am sorry if you missed that information or understood that badly.

 

So what happened to you, all captains basically went back to their ships, that they are trained for. As you haven't started that retraining, they weren't bound to that ship and they returned to their trained ship.

 

So funny, you are under a historic shitstorm and all you are able to say is referencing on what players are missing. ROFL

 

This situations sounds ridiculous

[Resentina]

deleted sorry

[King_Of_The_Potatoes]

1 hour ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

Why not at least add credits option to reset commanders skills? Like 500k to reset a 10 skill points and reduce commander to 90% or something? We can do that WoT and WoWP, why is WoWS the exception to the rule? It's either gold or an atrociously unreasonable amount of free/commander xp making gold the only real viable option which its not since it costs too much gold and have too many commanders so its just a rare reset here and there instead of having a nice credits option too.

Simple answer to this from WG. GIVE US MONEY. 

[YabbaCoe]

Před 21 hodinami E_wan_o řekl/a:

I reread my post, and I don't think I made it clear enough what worked and what did not. Perhaps I can make it clearer as to what I did, and what happened:

 

This is working as expected. I moved them before the update, and started training using the free option. All these commanders have been retrained as expected.

 

Example:

Before the update, I moved the 19 point commander from my Worcester into my Des Moins and selected the free retrain option.

Last night he showed as assigned to the Des Moins, with training started at 0 progress.

Today he is shown as in the Des Moins and training is complete.

 

So no problems here, and this is the case for all my TT ships. All TT specialized commanders are in the right ship and have been retrained. This morning I reset all the skills for all my commanders.

 

This does not seem to be working according to the statement you made originally.

Example:

Before the update, I intentionally specialized 5 commanders for the Iron Duke. The highest point commander was assigned to the Iron Duke, the remaining 4 were placed in the 4 non TT UK ships I have (Warspite, Nelson, Duke of York, Thunderer).

After the update, the commander in the Iron Duke is assigned correctly, and retrained. However all the commanders specialized to the Iron Duke, but assigned to the 4 non TT ships were still assigned to the same non TT ships (Warspite, Nelson, Duke of York, Thunderer).

 

According to your statement:

"All captains specialized for certain ships will be assigned to their ships with the release of the update. If you have more captains specialized for certain ship, only one of them will be assigned to that ship and the rest will be sent to reserves."

 

These captains should have been sent to the reserves.

 

This does not seem to be working according to the statement you made originally. This may be due to a failure of point/stage 2, or it may be a failure in this point/stage has caused problems in moving commanders - but it is not as a whole functioning correctly with what you said:

"If you have more captains specialized for certain ship, only one of them will be assigned to that ship and the rest will be sent to reserves. If there won't be space in reserves, it will be expanded."

 

According to your original statement, the commanders assigned to all of my premium/special ships - should have attempted to move to thier ships of specialization.

When this failed (because thier ships of specialization already had commanders assigned) they should have been moved into the reserve.

As my reserve was full (because I intentionally filled it up with commanders) - my reserve should have been expanded by the number of commanders which were assigned to my non TT ships prior to the update.

 

This has not happened, and my reserve remains the same size.

 

Yes, clearly I was trying to take full advantage of the upgrade process as you described it. Possibly in a way that you did not intend, but the fact remains that either:

 

a) there is a bug in the update process which stops the commanders from non TT ships moving to the reserve in the case that the ship of specialization is already occupied - at odds with:

"So captains that are for example trained on Bismarck, but are currently on Tirpitz will be sent to Bismarck."

and

"If you have more captains specialized for certain ship, only one of them will be assigned to that ship and the rest will be sent to reserves."

 

or

 

b) there is a bug in the process that allows the reserve to be resized, which has forced the commanders from non TT ships to remain in place - at odds with:

"If there won't be space in reserves, it will be expanded."

 

or

 

c) there is no bug in the process, but the information you supplied is incorrect

 

Either way - something is not right. Either your dev team have a bug that needs to be addressed, or I have spent a significant amount of extra time reordering the commanders and ships I have down to incorrect information concerning the upgrade process.

 

Which is it?

I asked and checked about what exactly happened. Those commanders trained for Tech Tree ship should have returned to their ship of specialisation. That actually happened, but it seems, that those commanders, that were on board of premium ship during that time, they stayed there. Apparently there was no need to move them out of those ships, if they technically can normally command them. So those would be kinda kicked out from that possition only when a place on tech tree ship would be empty.

True is, that with no additional reshuffle needed, as commanders stayed on premium ships where possible (actually it was mentioned in the article, that those applies only to tech tree ships), basically no reserves needed to be expanded, as you still have the same amount of commanders after this change.

 

I am sorry, if I provided you wrong information in this, as I've been told, what I mentioned here. I hope this haven't caused any real damage to you and I feel sorry for your lost time reordering the commanders.

[NewHorizons_1]

1 hour ago, E_wan_o said:

I'm interested on your thoughts

I made use of the free retraining, so I moved some commanders from premium ships to tech tree ones, and initiated their training. So I was able to verify that bit, at least, worked.

Although my reserve was full (I'd saved commanders to harvest their XP when dismissed) I wasn't in a position to test what happens to multiple commanders with identical ship specializations, eg all your Iron Duke commanders.

But by the sounds of it if the commanders had been transferred to tech tree ships, instead of premiums, and no retraining started then perhaps they would have been put in the reserve and the reserve expanded to cope.

Note that a full reserve will be expanded automatically, and for free, if your are rewarded with a commander, such as all the Santa captains that the Ships & Fates campaign gave out.

[bsup68]

Nevermind

[BabaLooey]

HORRIBLE!

Stupid interface.

More of stupid magick.

Bunch of things are not clear at a glance.

It took me 1 hour to reset all of my captains. Where s their free XP?

Why is it so complicated to create deck officers dedicated to specific ship duties???

 

I'm done with this........

 

[E_wan_o]

On 1/22/2021 at 2:49 PM, YabbaCoe said:

I asked and checked about what exactly happened. Those commanders trained for Tech Tree ship should have returned to their ship of specialisation. That actually happened, but it seems, that those commanders, that were on board of premium ship during that time, they stayed there. Apparently there was no need to move them out of those ships, if they technically can normally command them. So those would be kinda kicked out from that possition only when a place on tech tree ship would be empty.

True is, that with no additional reshuffle needed, as commanders stayed on premium ships where possible (actually it was mentioned in the article, that those applies only to tech tree ships), basically no reserves needed to be expanded, as you still have the same amount of commanders after this change.

 

I am sorry, if I provided you wrong information in this, as I've been told, what I mentioned here. I hope this haven't caused any real damage to you and I feel sorry for your lost time reordering the commanders.

So far my best guess as to the correct information that should have been given before the update is:

1) When the update hits on the server, any commanders placed into TT ships with training started will be automatically retrained.
2) Any commnders currently specialised to a TT ship, but not currently in a TT ship (ie. assigned to the reserve, a premium ship or a special ship), will try to move to the TT ship that they are specialized for. If that ship is full they will stay where they are.

3) There may be some further interplay that has not been revealed by WG in the case of a captain specialised to but not assigned to a premium or special ship, and that ship already having a commander assigned to it who may be specialized somewhere.

4) There may or may not be some further interplay that has not been revealed by WG in the case of ships moving to the reserve and the reserve expanding.

 

I worded the final two points that way because I cannot put words into the mouth of WG. How these operations actually worked has not actually been described properly yet.

 

Can you give more clarity to the final two points, verify if the first two are correct or not, and in fact be more clear about how it was actually supposed to work?

 

 

What is needed now:

 

a) Facts

I (and I am sure there are others) would like a factually correct statement of how this update process actually functioned.

 

I'm sure you are begining to feel like I'm forcing this issue, and you are correct. WG as a company need to learn that if they are making changes like this that affect thier customers to such a large extent, they need to fully understand the changes that they are making and be able to communicate them correctly to the customer base in advance of the changes.

 

In this case the change has already gone ahead, and it seems that WG still don't even know what they actually did. WG should be in a better position than it currently is before changing things - never mind racing to catch the mistakes after the change has been implemented.

 

b) Compensation

There should be some form of compensation for the extra time this miss information has cost both to me and my fellow clan members.

 

As the person who disseminated incorrect information from WG to my clan - I worry how this might have affected the other 49 members in my clan.

 

I have 120+ commanders and 105+ boats, and in order to plan my commander movements in accordance with your incorrect information, in a way that worked so as not to have to dismiss any of the commanders already in my reserve - I needed to build a spreadsheet to track who went where and what order they needed to be placed in. It took me about 5 hours of work to sort out my captains in accordance with WG's incorrect information, nevermind the hour and a half of shuffling commanders around in game. I know for a fact that some of our members have 250+ ships and 300+ commanders, and I can only imagine how this has affected the other members of my clan.

 

This extra work in response to WG's incorrect information was time consuming and more importantly for a company producing a game, it was not fun. More over, from what you have said retrospectively - this work in response to your statements - was completely unnecesary.

[ColonelPete]

2 hours ago, E_wan_o said:

b) Compensation

There should be some form of compensation for the extra time this miss information has cost both to me and my fellow clan members.

 

As the person who disseminated incorrect information from WG to my clan - I worry how this might have affected the other 49 members in my clan.

 

I have 120+ ccommanders and 105+ boats, and in order to plan my commander movements in accordance with your incorrect information, in a way that worked so as not to have to dismiss any of the commanders already in my reserve - I needed to build a spreadsheet to track who went where and what order they needed to be placed in. It took me about 5 hours of work to sort out my captains in accordance with WG's incorrect information, nevermind the hour and a half of shuffling commanders around in game. I know for a fact that some of our members have 250+ ships and 300+ commanders, and I can only imagine how this has affected the other members of my clan.

 

This extra work in response to WG's incorrect information was time consuming and more importantly for a company producing a game, it was not fun. More over, from what you have said retrospectively - this work in response to your statements - was completely unnecesary.

Why did you need a spreadsheet?

I just put the commanders on their tech tree ships. Even with nearly 300 ships, that took me around 10 minutes as most commanders where already sitting on them.

After that I checked commanders still on premium ships, to make sure that they can stay there. Took me another 5 minutes.

 

That was my preperation before the patch.

[E_wan_o]

13 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Why did you need a spreadsheet?

I just put the commanders on their tech tree ships. Even with nearly 300 ships, that took me around 10 minutes as most commanders where already sitting on them.

After that I checked commanders still on premium ships, to make sure that they can stay there. Took me another 5 minutes.

 

That was my preperation before the patch.

I think that's exactly my point...

 

Either:

The amount of time I needed to spend was actually much less than I did spend - because WG made some incorrect statements.

 

Or:

WG told us it would work one way, and it has not worked that way - so there is a bug which should be investigated.

 

As for how long it took to move the commanders around in game, this was extended because many of my commanders were in the wrong places. Why? Because WG have been talking about this shake up + free commander retrain + free commander respec for about three months - so I've been holding off moving them about so that I could avoid the associated costs in time/EXP/doubloons.

 

My complaint is not so much about the time spent doing in game shuffling, that I already knew was going to take a while because I needed to make a lot of changes. It's that due to the incorrect information given out by WG, I was led to believe that I needed to plan more carefully how I would move them, requiring me in some cases to move captains multiple times, with respect to the limited space in my reserve and the captains that were in there.

 

The incorrect information that was given by WG caused me to do a lot of extra work, which was then retrospectively shown to be pointless. I ended up shuffling captains in and out of ships in order to meet some interplay that a WG staffer said would happen, but that I am now told is not infact how things were done.

 

If I had known this earlier i would have just moved my captains about like you did, and it would have taken me about 45 minutes - because my commanders were in a lot of wrong places.

[ColonelPete]

The only incorrect statement was commanders get moved to the ships they are specialized in, which did not apply to all of them. And that information was not known three months ago.

How would that affect you?

 

[BabaLooey]

[Resentina]

1 ora fa, BabaLooey ha scritto:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I got santa containers refund, and now I uninstalled too :P

 

proud

[E_wan_o]

16 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

The only incorrect statement was commanders get moved to the ships they are specialized in, which did not apply to all of them. And that information was not known three months ago.

How would that affect you?

 

No. The info given was:
1) Reserve expands if commanders are sent back to it and it's full.

2) Commanders from Reserve/Prem/Special ships will move to TT ships they are specialized on, unless the ship already has a captain assigned - in which case the move will fail and they will move to the reserve.

3) Commanders in TT ships with trainign started but no complete will retrain.
 

The only correct info in that lot is point 3 - so my complaint is that I did a lot of extra work to satisfy these statements in order to gain extra reserve slots - whilst making sure that the correct commanders were in the right TT ships and the commnaders in my Prem/Special/Reserve were specialized in a way that allowed me to achieve all the extra and unnecesary interplays that were outlined by WG.

My point is to get WG to admit that they screwed up and compensate me and my clanmates that I gave this info to -for thier bad info.

 

What exactly is your point? Are you just looking for a bonus badge because you had your commanders in a better state than me before the update?

 

Well done, have a badge..

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, E_wan_o said:

The only correct info in that lot is point 3 - so my complaint is that I did a lot of extra work to satisfy these statements in order to gain extra reserve slots -

Ah, that is the reason. You tried to game the system for some extra reserve slots and failed.

 

Despite it being obvious that under the new system you do not need a big reserve as you can exchange all unnecessary captains and thereby free up reserve slots and it would have been fairly easy to just to flood your reserves and ships with 0 point captain, without a need for a big reshuffle...

[E_wan_o]

2 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Ah, that is the reason. You tried to game the system for some extra reserve slots and failed.

 

Despite it being obvious that under the new system you do not need a big reserve as you can exchange all unnecessary captains and thereby free up reserve slots and it would have been fairly easy to just to flood your reserves and ships with 0 point captain, without a need for a big reshuffle... 

As I have previously said:

 

Yes, I was trying to "game the system" for extra reserve slots, however this can also be said as "maximising in game return".

 

My point is that either:

WG made a statement that was incorrect - causing myself and probably others to waste extra time unneccesarily.

or

WG made a statement was correct and there is a bug that needs to be investigated by the dev team - which affects players who might not even realise they have not recieved what they were told they would recieve.

 

so WG need to either compensate in some form - or compensate and find and fix a bug.

 

l ask again - what is your point?

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, E_wan_o said:

 

l ask again - what is your point?

• nobody asked you to do what you did
• even if the patch had worked like you expected, there would have been an easier way to get the reserve slots
• reserve slots are rather pointless after the patch
• you wasted your time in hope to gain something unimportant

[E_wan_o]

13 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

• nobody asked you to do what you did
• even if the patch had worked like you expected, there would have been an easier way to get the reserve slots
• reserve slots are rather pointless after the patch
• you wasted your time in hope to gain something unimportant

Ah - so you're just being a toxic comment troll.

 

Essentially it boils down to:

In trying to game the system for something that *I* think is unimportant *you* found that WG have not given out the correct information or that a bug exists.

 

 and the part of this that you deem as important to focus on is:

"You tried to game the system" and "I think what you tried to gain is unimportant".

 

instead of:

"WG have not given out the correct information or that a bug exists."

 

I see you have your priorities straight as a customer. Remind me to try and entice you to my business endevours - you will make an excelent whale..

[ColonelPete]

17 minutes ago, E_wan_o said:

Ah - so you're just being a toxic comment troll.

 

Essentially it boils down to:

In trying to game the system for something that *I* think is unimportant *you* found that WG have not given out the correct information or that a bug exists.

 

 and the part of this that you deem as important to focus on is:

"You tried to game the system" and "I think what you tried to gain is unimportant".

 

instead of:

"WG have not given out the correct information or that a bug exists."

 

I see you have your priorities straight as a customer. Remind me to try and entice you to my business endevours - you will make an excelent whale..

It does not matter what you think. Reserve slots ARE unimportant after the patch.

Thanks to the patch I have over 20 new free slots, which I will probably never need again. And I am not finished tidying up my reserve.

[E_wan_o]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

It does not matter what you think. Reserve slots ARE unimportant after the patch.

Thanks to the patch I have over 20 new free slots, which I will probably never need again. And I am not finished tidying up my reserve.

So you still think that the focus should be on what you think I did incorrectly, compared to what you did correctly - rather than on what WG did wrong..
 

You really are WG's ideal customer - loyal to them no matter what they do..

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, E_wan_o said:

You really are WG's ideal customer - loyal to them no matter what they do..

Spare me your speculations.

[E_wan_o]

13 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Spare me your speculations.

So you do agree with this statement:

17 minutes ago, E_wan_o said:

So you still think that the focus should be on what you think I did incorrectly, compared to what you did correctly - rather than on what WG did wrong..

 

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, E_wan_o said:

So you do agree with this statement:

You should focus on what is important. Reserve slots are not important.