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Im a new wots player and desided to buy a month of sub and give this a shot.

 

Is there a logical reason why the hardest armored "tank" class in this game the Batlle Ship is treated as a sniper ?!? Why are they not in the frontlines tanking hits and fending of "lanes" with their huge range and extra survivability?

 

What i see now is DD's and Cruisers tank all the DMG, scout, DPS, flank, chase, kite do all turns and rounds while the strongest tanks snipe in the safety of these light armor players. Is there something i dont get , or why is this ? I thought BS are meant to share armor with frontlines and be the first line since they got the stats for it.

 

Im loosing my will to live to watch them big armored massive tanks snipe in the back and kite away from all encounters untill the end while lightly armored ships get wrecked like idiots :D.

 

There should be a ribbon or other reward for tanking DMG on ships, this would remedy BB sniping by giving incentive (reward) for risking armor!

 

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Ribbons

 

 

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4 minutes ago, rankkeli said:

 

Im a new wots player and desided to buy a month of sub and give this a shot.

 

Is there a logical reason why the hardest armored "tank" class in this game the Batlle Ship is treated as a sniper ?!? Why are they not in the frontlines tanking hits and fending of "lanes" with their huge range and extra survivability?

 

What i see now is DD's and Cruisers tank all the DMG, scout, DPS, flank, chase, kite do all turns and rounds while the strongest tanks snipe in the safety of these light armor players. Is there something i dont get , or why is this ? I thought BS are meant to share armor with frontlines and be the first line since they got the stats for it.

 

Im loosing my will to live to watch them big armored massive tanks snipe in the back and kite away from all encounters untill the end while lightly armored ships get wrecked like idiots :D.

 

 

 

Because most people are cowardly even in games. They prefer to sit in the back, take no damage and snipe.

 

But isn't it like this in most of online games?

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They payed for that 28+ km (T8 and higher) range so they gonna use it! 

 

Still, may I ask at which tier you are at, at the moment? Your observation is pretty accurate for a newbie. 

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Im at tiers V-VIII to get them missions and campains going.

 

Thanks for clarification, i thought there is some game mechanic i dont understand, but now i know they should be contributing to fights sharing armor i can atleast be vocal about it >:D or not scout for them.

 

So to sum it up: Most Battleships just sniping in the back avoiding confrontations are cowardly noobs who dont know how to play their class. Grow some balls, GitGud and tank the hits like a Battle Ship you shiprats!

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22 minutes ago, nambr9 said:

 

Because most people are cowardly even in games. They prefer to sit in the back, take no damage and snipe.

 

But isn't it like this in most of online games?

 

It is indeed. But there is the occational broud BS that can tank some hits and contributes , so its not all bad i think :)

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Dude, your observations are correct. I will not check them.

However, I cannot avoid raising an eyebrow ..... you don't sound as a noob to me....

 

Thinking that you should make your stats public....just saying mate....just saying

 

 

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Battleships are the only class that gets a repair-party at all tiers (even at T2), and every single BB gets it. So from the very beginning they are used to be able to heal some health back after goofing up. Combine that with the thickest armor, strongest torpedo-belt, the highest health-pool to begin with and the ability to devastate every opponent with a single salvo - you get an understanding why they feel like gods.

 

Now at later tiers other classes also get high alpha-strike abilities and BBs feel threatened on their throne.

And from T8 the prey partly gets repair-parties too (although this mostly comes with a trade-off).

So the BB can not reign unchallenged and feels inferior. Which leads to them staying anxious in the back.

 

I remember the outcry years ago when WG announced to give heal to some cruisers - oh the anger, why should other classes be able to do what is a BB-privilege?

 

Over time you will notice more discrepancies, like calling small, HE-spamming ships "skill-less and brain-dead". While simultaneously demanding to get more range and better accuracy on their secondary-guns - which spam HE.

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18 minutes ago, Saltface said:

@rankkeli

 

Dude, your observations are correct. I will not check them.

However, I cannot avoid raising an eyebrow ..... you don't sound as a noob to me....

 

Thinking that you should make your stats public....just saying mate....just saying

 

 

 

Im a WoT player of many many years and i just applied some basics learned from there to wots, so youre suspicion of me being a a vet WOWS player is a compliment i steal !;D

 

How can i make my stats public? I have nothing to hide :cat_bubble:

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10 minutes ago, VIadoCro said:

Battleships are the only class that gets a repair-party at all tiers (even at T2), and every single BB gets it. So from the very beginning they are used to be able to heal some health back after goofing up. Combine that with the thickest armor, strongest torpedo-belt, the highest health-pool to begin with and the ability to devastate every opponent with a single salvo - you get an understanding why they feel like gods.

 

Now at later tiers other classes also get high alpha-strike abilities and BBs feel threatened on their throne.

And from T8 the prey partly gets repair-parties too (although this mostly comes with a trade-off).

So the BB can not reign unchallenged and feels inferior. Which leads to them staying anxious in the back.

 

I remember the outcry years ago when WG announced to give heal to some cruisers - oh the anger, why should other classes be able to do what is a BB-privilege?

 

Over time you will notice more discrepancies, like calling small, HE-spamming ships "skill-less and brain-dead". While simultaneously demanding to get more range and better accuracy on their secondary-guns - which spam HE.

Seems like this game is missing BS's captains with as Duke Nukem put it " BALLS OF STEEEL BABY".

 

I think ill start watching some BS YT videos and read some guides, ill make a BS and facetank with it like a BOSS while insulting other BS who snipe in the back, make them look reel bad. First have to GitGud on BS tough, might take some moths of humility and sinking in stupid overaggressive positionings :D. I allready have Wyoming ill start there!

 

But still today a BS carebear has been born!

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life is rarely as simple as described by specialists here ...

ive seen far more games thrown away by incompetent dd's than bb's and this big pool of hp can be taken away by one close-range attack of dd.

but i do love mindlessly attacking bb's on the enemy team though, after gathering wisdom from forum specialists - burnt or torped down in 1st 5 mins

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22 minutes ago, rankkeli said:

Seems like this game is missing BS's captains with as Duke Nukem put it " BALLS OF STEEEL BABY".

 

I think ill start watching some BS YT videos and read some guides, ill make a BS and facetank with it like a BOSS while insulting other BS who snipe in the back, make them look reel bad. First have to GitGud on BS tough, might take some moths of humility and sinking in stupid overaggressive positionings :D. I allready have Wyoming ill start there!

 

But still today a BS carebear has been born!

 

To quote Bane: "You´re attitude is admirable.... but mistaken."

 

In the end most teammates will let you down and you will die alone with a first row view.... like a noob. :Smile_teethhappy:

 

Imho the best way to success to support moves which have a chance to win the match. 

If no such move happens, farm dmg in hope that you/your team gets the upper hand. 

 

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9 minutes ago, hypsar said:

ive seen far more games thrown away by incompetent dd's than bb's

Because DDs have far more tasks to do than a BB. And to do them they have to get close to the enemy. A thing most BB-sailors fail to do anyway. And to stay alive while being chased by multiple enemies while having neither heal, nor armor, nor the HP to withstand the shelling is a thing.

 

Also does a BB-sailor have to remember the radar-ranges of cruisers to survive? No? Ah, they don´t even have to care about radar at all.

You say BBs have to look out for torpedos? You can take three of them, press R+T and move on. A DD takes one and goes back to port.

 

 

14 minutes ago, hypsar said:

bb's and this big pool of hp can be taken away by one close-range attack of dd.

It takes skill, nerves and patience to outmaneuver enemy destroyers, cruisers and planes, to survive, get in position to finally be able to nuke said BB. And if said BB didn´t manage to avoid being one-shot, then it maybe lacks in situational awareness, a thing I see often with guys which play BB-only.

 

17 minutes ago, hypsar said:

life is rarely as simple as described by specialists here

We don´t say it´s easy, we give advice how to git gud

 

18 minutes ago, hypsar said:

as described by specialists here ...

after gathering wisdom from forum specialists

Author has a specialist-stealth-account :Smile_sceptic:

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its because of ships like CV's , IJN gunboats... some bb's just cannot tank .

 

When you tank it has to be the right moment as well

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1 hour ago, rankkeli said:

 

Is there a logical reason why the hardest armored "tank" class in this game the Batlle Ship is treated as a sniper ?!? Why are they not in the frontlines tanking hits and fending of "lanes" with their huge range and extra survivability?

 

The BBs can tank in a role like you describe, but it's not that simple.
Due to the BBs horrendous speed and maneuverability (as well as concealment range), you should generally think very carefully about whether it is a good idea to actually push into a situation you might not come out of alive.

When a BB gets better skill-wise, he'll find ways to get closer (either depending on the map, enemy positioning or by the timing) to exert more influence.
However, getting to that point is difficult for the average player, as if you judge those factors incorrectly you will very quickly find yourself overextended and sunk.
This means that the BB should generally plan things out several minutes in advance, not rush in too early, and when in doubt, sit a bit further back until you get a clearer picture of how the flow of that battle evolves.

A BB is of no good use if he gets farmed by 5 ships and quickly sunk early in the game.

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23 minutes ago, Ysterpyp said:

its because of ships like CV's , IJN gunboats... some bb's just cannot tank .

Disagree with putting the blame on specific ships like CV and IJN gunboats.


The main reason you don't wanna push in early is because you will generally get farmed, and pretty much any ship can farm you if you are out of position and unable to disengage.
This is a general problem where the problem is the BB player's mispositioning, not the particular ship type that targets him.
A Montana (just an example) that pushes too early and too deep will get farmed by everything close by, whether that ship is a Hipper, Halland, Venezia, Z-52 or Iowa.
And they do so because the mispositioned Montana is an easy kill and a ship off the board, not because they happen to sit in a Harugumo (IJN gunboat) or Midway (USN CV).

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1 hour ago, rankkeli said:

 

Im a new wots player and desided to buy a month of sub and give this a shot.

 

Is there a logical reason why the hardest armored "tank" class in this game the Batlle Ship is treated as a sniper ?!? Why are they not in the frontlines tanking hits and fending of "lanes" with their huge range and extra survivability?

 

What i see now is DD's and Cruisers tank all the DMG, scout, DPS, flank, chase, kite do all turns and rounds while the strongest tanks snipe in the safety of these light armor players. Is there something i dont get , or why is this ? I thought BS are meant to share armor with frontlines and be the first line since they got the stats for it.

 

Im loosing my will to live to watch them big armored massive tanks snipe in the back and kite away from all encounters untill the end while lightly armored ships get wrecked like idiots :D.

 

 

HE spam

Torp spam

Smoke spam

CV spam

More spam...

Take your armour to the frontline, get sunk, your guns are removed from the game, no help to the team.

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17 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

The BBs can tank in a role like you describe, but it's not that simple.
Due to the BBs horrendous speed and maneuverability (as well as concealment range), you should generally think very carefully about whether it is a good idea to actually push into a situation you might not come out of alive.

When a BB gets better skill-wise, he'll find ways to get closer (either depending on the map, enemy positioning or by the timing) to exert more influence.
However, getting to that point is difficult for the average player, as if you judge those factors incorrectly you will very quickly find yourself overextended and sunk.
This means that the BB should generally plan things out several minutes in advance, not rush in too early, and when in doubt, sit a bit further back until you get a clearer picture of how the flow of that battle evolves.

A BB is of no good use if he gets farmed by 5 ships and quickly sunk early in the game.

 

Yes this is also true, but im mainly griping about them BS's who doesent even try to get in close, they just avoid confrontations and kite etc.

 

But yeah positioning with BS is harder , but i think its a class that has to go "all-in" in many maps and dont swich lanes etc. They so slow that when you start slowboating to a lane you most times have to commit on it. But this is true to many slower cruisers i think too.

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3 minutes ago, rankkeli said:

 

Thanks its now public i think:

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/508253905-rankkeli

 

 

Very good stats for a new player for T1-3.
At T4 you have a drop, which is common since a lot of things change at that tier.
While some while attribute this to T4 CVs, I'd say that is only a minor part of the issue.
Mostly the players at these mid tiers play somewhat differently from the low tiers, where they start getting a bit more cautious (and thus are less likely to die early in a yolo charge), while you similarly will get less damage farming opportunities.
That trend just continues and is exacerbated once you get to T10, where people generally play very conservatively at range.

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7 minutes ago, iFax said:

HE spam

Torp spam

Smoke spam

CV spam

More spam...

Take your armour to the frontline, get sunk, your guns are removed from the game, no help to the team.

But all you listed is the stuff a BS must handle, that is the challenge to all other players too. Point of game is not to ensure that BS lives whole game, its to make sure youre team wins.

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As others have already mentioned tanking is a craft of its own, even in the most armoured and durable ships in the game. Engaging too early will usually get you sunk early and engaging too late will usually lose your game. Battleships may be hard targets, however their individual strength will shine all the more the fewer enemy ships are still left in the game, respectively in their area of action.

 

Also mind that especially for the majority of players range = life. More shell fight time to dodge or angle, more dispersion, more opportunities to go unnoticed in between salvos.

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1 minute ago, Hirohito said:

Very good stats for a new player for T1-3.
At T4 you have a drop, which is common since a lot of things change at that tier.
While some while attribute this to T4 CVs, I'd say that is only a minor part of the issue.
Mostly the players at these mid tiers play somewhat differently from the low tiers, where they start getting a bit more cautious (and thus are less likely to die early in a yolo charge), while you similarly will get less damage farming opportunities.
That trend just continues and is exacerbated once you get to T10, where people generally play very conservatively at range.

Oh okay, thanks for explaining this. Its the same in WoT too.

 

I guess i went in a little too gunhoe since i had success in lower tiers...i got my [edited]handed to me :D.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, rankkeli said:

 

Yes this is also true, but im mainly griping about them BS's who doesent even try to get in close, they just avoid confrontations and kite etc.

 

But yeah positioning with BS is harder , but i think its a class that has to go "all-in" in many maps and dont swich lanes etc. They so slow that when you start slowboating to a lane you most times have to commit on it. But this is true to many slower cruisers i think too.

The players that generally sit back with no plan whatsoever (apart from farming damage) are bad players, just slightly better players than those who rush straight in guns blazing.
The majority of players in this game learn that rushing in is bad and thus sit back, but don't get to the next step where they learn how to be more offensive again.
That part is a lot harder to learn than to just sit back.

You don't necessarily need to commit too early as a BB though.
Generally you can sit somewhat further back and still be a threat, but still able to turn around and kite if your flank collapses.
If you drive straight to the cap's edge (even if you have island cover), you are usually too deep.
If (and that is a good possibility) your friendly ships start dying around you, you have no real way to get out of there alive, whereas if you sat 5 kms further back there is a good chance you can turn your ship somewhat safely and start kiting.

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One point i forgot to add in defence of BS:

 

They have shitlong reload times so not too good in close torp range, so they should stay atleast away for them to be able to dodge a seadildo or 2.

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