is a worst BB than FLORIDA?

[Lakaedemonios]

I play a battle with FLO and after that another with CALIFORNIA. I think that KANSAS was bad, but FLO is worst!!!

CALIFORNIA has bad Sigma too, but u can kill if u hit something. FLO needs 3 salvo to kill an Irian in 4km.

[kfa]

this whole american BB line is the same trash apart from vermont which is maybe average but annoying as hell to play

[Miscommunication_dept]

Florida is the second most accurate battleship (after Champagne) at tier 7.

Florida has it's faults but accuracy is certainly not one of them.

 

If you needed 3 salvos to kill an Irian at 4km I assume he was angled?

[lafeel]

23 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

Florida is the second most accurate battleship (after Champagne) at tier 7.

 

Dude, Champagne is  tier 8. Were you referring to Strassbourg by any chance?

[BrusilovX]

43 minutes ago, kfa said:

this whole american BB line is the same trash apart from vermont which is maybe average but annoying as hell to play

I agree - the Vermont's guns make the grind to there worthwhile although a painful process (imagine a Colorado at T8/T9).

[Miscommunication_dept]

55 minutes ago, lafeel said:

Dude, Champagne is  tier 8. Were you referring to Strassbourg by any chance?

Or I just hadn’t woken up!

Florida is the most accurate battleship at tier 7 though, the only one with battlecruiser dispersion.

[KillStealBoss]

2 hours ago, _Kanaris said:

CALIFORNIA has bad Sigma too

idk if 1.9 is bad sigma, then don't do Hizen cause it has 1.7.

1 hour ago, BrusilovX said:

I agree - the Vermont's guns make the grind to there worthwhile although a painful process (imagine a Colorado at T8/T9).

Actually the T9 was ok. Idk if you played the old Izumo, that thing was BAD. Also FDG 3 years ago I would say was bad for me.

[lafeel]

1 minute ago, MacArthur92 said:

idk if 1.9 is bad sigma, then don't do Hizen cause it has 1.7.

Actually the T9 was ok. Idk if you played the old Izumo, that thing was BAD. Also FDG 3 years ago I would say was bad for me.

Well at least they're  consistent..in as much that they all share the major limiting factor of 23 knot top speed and 40 second reload.

 

Which would be the two reasons why I want nothing to do with this line personally.

[KillStealBoss]

2 minutes ago, lafeel said:

Well at least they're  consistent..in as much that they all share the major limiting factor of 23 knot top speed and 40 second reload.

 

Which would be the two reasons why I want nothing to do with this line personally.

California 34 sec which somewhat ok.

Playing this line is like Italian cruisers, you wait long, aim right and get massive hits. Especially on Vermont that can wipe out BBs that are careless. Not talking here close range, at 12km too.

[lafeel]

2 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

California 34 sec which somewhat ok.

Playing this line is like Italian cruisers, you wait long, aim right and get massive hits. Especially on Vermont that can wipe out BBs that are careless. Not talking here close range, at 12km too.

Thanks, I'd rather play the Florida. Those six (and a half) knots of extra speed do wonders for me.

[ColonelPete]

Florida is squishy, but guns are ok. You have to be careful with her.

[lafeel]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Florida is squishy, but guns are ok. You have to be careful with her.

To be entirely fair it's not like tier 7  BB's can angle as well as their higher tiers. Very few of them, and none reliably, can withstand 381mm+ gunfire, Florida is not alone in that regard..

[Miscommunication_dept]

Florida is very different to the main American Big Bertha line. It’s much quicker with much more accurate guns but has a far more exposed citadel.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Just now, lafeel said:

To be entirely fair it's not like tier 7  BB's can angle as well as their higher tiers. Very few of them, and none reliably, can withstand 381mm+ gunfire, Florida is not alone in that regard..

Indeed it’s plating is better than french and British battleships. Being overmatched my 380Mm guns is fairly normal at this tier.

 

Only the citadel is a problem and not a terrible one if you stay angled at range.

[lafeel]

1 minute ago, gopher31 said:

Indeed it’s plating is better than french and British battleships. Being overmatched my 380Mm guns is fairly normal at this tier.

 

Only the citadel is a problem and not a terrible one if you stay angled at range.

Or make sure whoever it is you're going to be busy fighting is busy fighting someone else if you have to go up close and personal..

[T0L0S]

If you think the Florida is bad, the issue is with you, not the ship. 

[MatZam]

Yes. Several in fact. Poltava, California and Ashitaka to name but three.

 

 

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, MatZam said:

Yes. Several in fact. Poltava, California and Ashitaka to name but three.

Ashitaka is a great BB.

[MatZam]

6 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Ashitaka is a great BB.

Amagi is a good BB. Ashitaka pays for its down-tiering by being coated in 25mm plate, having poor shell performance and a vulnerable citadel. The trade is not worth it, as evidenced by the fact that despite being a premium with comparatively few games played, it has the third worst win rate of any tier VII battleship.

[invicta2012]

20 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Ashitaka is a great BB.

The public is voting with their wallet on that one, Pete. I rarely see it in game and the last occasion I did (today) it exploded under a hail of Kansas shells, even when fairly well angled. Looks a glass cannon to me. 

 

Not sure what Poltava is, really. Wouldn't mind being allowed to rent one, it looks intriguing, at least.

[ColonelPete]

15 minutes ago, MatZam said:

Amagi is a good BB. Ashitaka pays for its down-tiering by being coated in 25mm plate, having poor shell performance and a vulnerable citadel. The trade is not worth it, as evidenced by the fact that despite being a premium with comparatively few games played, it has the third worst win rate of any tier VII battleship.

• the plating is normal for that Tier
• the guns have the same punch as Amagi
• the citadel is the same as Amagi

Spoiler

 

Otherwise:

https://proships.ru/stat/ru/ships/4026,3585/

 

[MatZam]

12 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

• the plating is normal for that Tier
• the guns have the same punch as Amagi
• the citadel is the same as Amagi

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Otherwise:

https://proships.ru/stat/ru/ships/4026,3585/

 

1. That was true once upon a time. Went out of the window with Sinop.

2. Fair does. Forgot the shell buff it received after its release.

3. Not in game so cannot check.

 

Ultimately, however, there is a reason why a premium ship with few games played (twin factors that are generally a signifier of good stats) rests at practically the bottom of the pile. 

 

[ZaalKoris_vas_QwibQwib]

In short: Yes.

 

Slightly longer: Yes Florida is worst USN BB on T7. Period. Competing only with Oklahoma Tier for Tier, but at least Oklahoma can take hits.

 

I absolutely despise USS Florida in every way. Get me glorious Colorado (laser guided shells which pack an almighty wallop) or California (for couple weeks I had such run I thought I bought also auto-win option with mandatory minimum triple kill every game) any day. Florida is an abomination. Can only snipe and cannot take hits at all. Every CL which sneak at you can pen you for days. Same is true for Ashitaka of course (or Mutsu at T6), but Ashitaka is better ship, packs mega alpha mighty punch for a T7, is much quicker and with Kobayashi camo it prints credits like nothing else. Up keep is basically non-existent with clan dock. Ashi has of course problems - big ship with worst IJN dmg control plus rudimentary AA defenses. If (skilled) CV is after you spare yourself the trouble, just clean-up the mid-deck section where bombs should land  for glorious citadels/detonation. Yes Juliet-Charlie is not only for DDs, also for paper coated BBs.

 

And let stop kidding ourselves. On T7 - There is Sinop ... then nothing... then every decent BB and finally oddball - Florida.

[ColonelPete]

7 minutes ago, MatZam said:

 

2. Fair does. Forgot the shell buff it received after its release.

And that is exactly the reason she is not popular. Most players think she has weak shells.

[Dutchy_2019]

36 minutes ago, MatZam said:

Amagi is a good BB. Ashitaka pays for its down-tiering by being coated in 25mm plate, having poor shell performance and a vulnerable citadel. The trade is not worth it, as evidenced by the fact that despite being a premium with comparatively few games played, it has the third worst win rate of any tier VII battleship.

I think Ashitaka is one of those ships with a particular play style and fairly high skill floor. Something which does NOT make it a bad ship in itself, just not suitable for many.

 

As for worse ships than Florida: I raise you Oklahoma.