Secondary Nerf/Refund Premium Ship.

[MacFergus]

Some people have bought ships with the notion of building it for a secondary build that exact purpose , Whether it be coal or cash WG captain rework has made these ships boring and crap to play however by nerfing the secondaries they have also altered the effectiveness of ships like the Tirpitz a premium ship should we not be due a refund after all i bought this ship to have fun with not to sit and snipe surely WG has crossed the line here.

 

I think people may have a good case for refunds in both dubs and coal if it effects how these ships will play in the future.

 

What does the community think?.

[kfa]

Can i get my money back for all the ships i bought for their AA before rework? 

[Humorpalanta]

I have seen the game change so much I should get a refund for everything...

Visibility change, invisifire change, IFHE rework, CV rework(s), captain skill rework(s), TX premiums, subs, resources...

[lup3s]

While I like the idea, I don't see it happen as it's a global nerf and not a ship-specific nerf.

 

There was no refund for Premium ships with (very) good AA before the CV rework, and mediocre / bad AA after.

Nor was there a refund for Premium ships that were negatively affected by previous Captain skill(s) changes.

Nor was there a refund for Premium ship(s) that got (most of) their strength from the "invisible firing" mechanic many years ago. (to be clear; I think it's a good thing this was removed)

[MrWastee]

2 minutes ago, lup3s said:

While I like the idea, I don't see it happen as it's a global nerf and not a ship-specific nerf.

 

There was no refund for Premium ships with (very) good AA before the CV rework, and mediocre / bad AA after.

true. on the other hand one was able to refund prem cv's for dubs.

 

2 minutes ago, lup3s said:

Nor was there a refund for Premium ships that were negatively affected by previous Captain skill(s) changes.

true

 

2 minutes ago, lup3s said:

Nor was there a refund for Premium ship(s) that got (most of) their strength from the "invisible firing" mechanic many years ago. (to be clear; I think it's a good thing this was removed)

well, there actually people were able to get a refund in dubloons afai can recall. there were people at that time who refunded their mk's and belfasts.... or was that the ifhe rework? nah, that's been quite later i think, also on that occasions i cannot recall a refund option...

 

 

.... by now they didnt even bother 'bout moskva perma camo owners. and now crate refund only been there for that single missing line within the description (which they admitted they took off, after it's been there the 1st years)....

so basically one by now can assume they only will side with their customers if they see no other choice. in doubt they'll always go down the milky way (lol) since paytorico.

 

anyways, just took these right off my memory, so might be wrong

[lup3s]

2 minutes ago, MrWastee said:

well, there actually people were able to get a refund in dubloons afai can recall. there were people at that time who refunded their mk's and belfasts.... or was that the ifhe rework? nah, that's been quite later i think, also on that occasions i cannot recall a refund option...

 

Wasn't that with the smoke firing penalty change ? I don't recall either - Wows is deleting more brain cells than I can naturally generate

[MrWastee]

3 minutes ago, lup3s said:

 

Wasn't that with the smoke firing penalty change ? I don't recall either - Wows is deleting more brain cells than I can naturally generate

ur right .... didn't it even been on the same sheet, or was that 2 different re-shuffles by comrad lesta?!

 

woat gives lol.... people refunding belfasts just did stick i guess lol

[SirAmra]

If players stopped spending cash in their game, maybe they would get the message.

They don't care about the vocal outcries.

They push it through regardless.

So the captainskill will come, subs will come etc etc.

 

[Yedwy]

9 minutes ago, lup3s said:

Wasn't that with the smoke firing penalty change ? I don't recall either - Wows is deleting more brain cells than I can naturally generate

Yep it was then

[W0Z]

1 hour ago, MacFergus said:

Some people have bought ships with the notion of building it for a secondary build that exact purpose , Whether it be coal or cash WG captain rework has made these ships boring and crap to play however by nerfing the secondaries they have also altered the effectiveness of ships like the Tirpitz a premium ship should we not be due a refund after all i bought this ship to have fun with not to sit and snipe surely WG has crossed the line here.

 

I think people may have a good case for refunds in both dubs and coal if it effects how these ships will play in the future.

 

What does the community think?.

Don't you know that WG reserve the right to change what they want. You need to check the small print before handing over your money.

[Maris_Piper]

WG are being difficult over a refund for a blatant scam looking at you Satan Crates as much as I'd like my 168,000 coal back for the Flint because it's going to be so screwed over I would fancy my chances getting a refund from EA Games for the coal way better than Wargaming, it just wont happen, that would bring in variables like Morals, Integrity, Honesty and God Forbid Customer Satisfaction, so Goodbye Hard Earned Coal 

[Hades_warrior]

1 hour ago, MacFergus said:

Some people have bought ships with the notion of building it for a secondary build that exact purpose , Whether it be coal or cash WG captain rework has made these ships boring and crap to play however by nerfing the secondaries they have also altered the effectiveness of ships like the Tirpitz a premium ship should we not be due a refund after all i bought this ship to have fun with not to sit and snipe surely WG has crossed the line here.

 

I think people may have a good case for refunds in both dubs and coal if it effects how these ships will play in the future.

 

What does the community think?.

Read this: https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/public-test/public-test-0100/

 

''Many of you voiced your concerns about the builds focused on the secondary battery and their efficiency in the new system. We’d like to comment on these concerns: we don’t plan to lower the efficiency of such builds in comparison to Update 0.9.12 and we'll carefully monitor it''

[invicta2012]

 

1 hour ago, MacFergus said:

however by nerfing the secondaries they have also altered the effectiveness of ships like the Tirpitz a premium ship should we not be due a refund

Honestly? No. You still have a fully functioning, perfectly effective Tier VIII German battleship with many useful qualities.  Perhaps it doesn't do that specific and slightly OP thing any more, but unfit for purpose? Nah. 

[Yedwy]

They will buff the sec range in most tiers so we shall se how it pans out Sharn will be much better for ops after this

[invicta2012]

Just now, Yedwy said:

They will buff the sec range in most tiers so we shall se how it pans out Sharn will be much better for ops after this

The thing I remember is all those people asking for Belfast refunds, getting it, and then regretting it afterwards as the ship still turned out to be a high-performing vessel. I can't see WG nerfing the heck out of Tirptitz when it sells so well for them. Any nerfs will probably be fixed in the long run.

[Origin47]

1 hour ago, kfa said:

Can i get my money back for all the ships i bought for their AA before rework? 

Yeah, i am in this boat with Texas and Kii. Bought them for the AA. 

[Miscommunication_dept]

I predict that Wargaming will buff all tech tree German ship’s secondaries.

 

They will say that the premiums continue to perform well so don’t need a buff.

[HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS]

17 minutes ago, Hades_warrior said:

we don’t plan to lower the efficiency of such builds in comparison to Update 0.9.12 and we'll carefully monitor it

Is this WG telling us that they do not plan stupid ideas, yet still continue to deliver them again and again?

[lup3s]

I'll just link it here as well then - I had / have an idea to make KM BBs great again :

 

 

 

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

Like the Moskva premium camo refund we got?

[The_White_Whale]

I could certainly see an argument that the Siegfried has been unduly hit if you played it as a secondary cruiser, wouldn't be surprised to see people asking for refunds for that one.

[Captain_Singleton]

1 hour ago, The_White_Whale said:

I could certainly see an argument that the Siegfried has been unduly hit if you played it as a secondary cruiser, wouldn't be surprised to see people asking for refunds for that one.

but Siegfried isn't a premium, it's a 'special' ship, ie not bought with real money, only ingame currencies like RP, coal or steel, so WG won't have to offer a refund for those ships

[The_White_Whale]

37 minutes ago, Salentine said:

only ingame currencies like RP, coal or steel, so WG won't have to offer a refund for those ships

Doesn't matter, I would still be asking for a refund of those currencies if WG changed the nature of a ship significantly.

[Captain_Singleton]

23 minutes ago, The_White_Whale said:

Doesn't matter, I would still be asking for a refund of those currencies if WG changed the nature of a ship significantly.

you can ask all you want, they won't refund anything not purchased for real money, always has been in all WG products

[Humorpalanta]

14 minutes ago, Salentine said:

you can ask all you want, they won't refund anything not purchased for real money, always has been in all WG products

They don't even refund things that are purchased with real money dude :D

You just have witnessed something that noone could see coming when they paid back the Santa container prices. This is the only time in WoWS history when you could get back money. Other times super maximum you could get back gold.