Certain ships harder to play now

[Barney_Wobba]

Example:

Mino has always been a technical ship but lately I can barely got a salvo off without having my priority target meter hitting 6 or more. I can barely get away with a round of shots before being focus fired.

Also, DD's seem to just suck now where you have a CV about. Like, in my Fantasque...utterly wasted by CV's allday. It's not fun.

 

I suspect the playerbase is shrinking and only good players are being left behind.

New ships like the Pom and Hizen seem a bit OP.
 

I find CV's and the endless planes which do crazy damage sometimes to be putting me off the game, it's not just the joke dps it is the fact I get spotted and destroyed very fast. That is why I now play BB mostly, like many others.

I am asking myself why do I buy doubloons and game time now. I think WoWs knows they are killing their own game to move us onto something else.

[Miscommunication_dept]

21 minutes ago, Barney_Wobba said:

Example:

Mino has always been a technical ship but lately I can barely got a salvo off without having my priority target meter hitting 6 or more. I can barely get away with a round of shots before being focus fired.

Also, DD's seem to just suck now where you have a CV about. Like, in my Fantasque...utterly wasted by CV's allday. It's not fun.

 

I suspect the playerbase is shrinking and only good players are being left behind.

New ships like the Pom and Hizen seem a bit OP.
 

I find CV's and the endless planes which do crazy damage sometimes to be putting me off the game, it's not just the joke dps it is the fact I get spotted and destroyed very fast. That is why I now play BB mostly, like many others.

I am asking myself why do I buy doubloons and game time now. I think WoWs knows they are killing their own game to move us onto something else.

You let yourself get spotted in a Mino?

Everything will shoot at you, every DD will ask them to and every battleship will overmatch you.

I don't know how the radar Minos do it but this has always been the case.

 

CVs do indeed ruin DD gameplay. It can be very frustrating.

 

Pommern is not OP at all and Hizen looks plain bad to me, though I do not have it.

 

As to the last statement, I don't think Wargaming knows what they are doing to their game.

[GloomFD]

Your example of Mino. I dont think its a "technical" ship, pretty much the opposite. Unless of course you are playing a radar Mino, which I haven't done in randoms for ages. Just keep islands between you and enemy. If you get spotted, just turn,slow and smoke.  Move back and forth in smoke, dont just sit there. 

 

But, I wouldnt say that CV's ruin DD gameplay. Its not that hard to counter their play a little. Nose first towards rockets and torps, sideways against bombers. And minimap helps a little :)

 

You are most likely buying gametime and dubloons for the same reasons as me. Too much time committed and money spend to let it go?

[MacFergus]

2 hours ago, Barney_Wobba said:

Example:

Mino has always been a technical ship but lately I can barely got a salvo off without having my priority target meter hitting 6 or more. I can barely get away with a round of shots before being focus fired.

Also, DD's seem to just suck now where you have a CV about. Like, in my Fantasque...utterly wasted by CV's allday. It's not fun.

 

I suspect the playerbase is shrinking and only good players are being left behind.

New ships like the Pom and Hizen seem a bit OP.
 

I find CV's and the endless planes which do crazy damage sometimes to be putting me off the game, it's not just the joke dps it is the fact I get spotted and destroyed very fast. That is why I now play BB mostly, like many others.

I am asking myself why do I buy doubloons and game time now. I think WoWs knows they are killing their own game to move us onto something else.

Don't play top tier , Mid tiers is where the game really is.

[Aethervoxx]

On 12/24/2020 at 7:02 PM, Barney_Wobba said:

I am asking myself why do I buy doubloons and game time now.

I don't ask this. I no longer buy anything. It's simply not worth it when they alter anything they want to (without any compensation).

[StraightUpYourA]

Mino is great, Fun to play, doesn't needs high level of skill just getting used to how to play it and u will do amazing results. Every time i play it it takes me 2-3 games to be back.

Get the extra smoke and the smoke flag, If you are spotted kite and run (9.1 concealment is great), learn to smoke in the right spots, remember that dds will torp your smoke most of the time, keep moving and have hidro up in the right time. learn how to shoot based on the minimap behind islands.

 

I find the RL very useful, played radar a few times, i think smoke is better.

[Camperdown]

On 12/25/2020 at 4:28 AM, gopher31 said:

You let yourself get spotted in a Mino?

Everything will shoot at you, every DD will ask them to and every battleship will overmatch you.

I don't know how the radar Minos do it but this has always been the case.

 

CVs do indeed ruin DD gameplay. It can be very frustrating.

 

Pommern is not OP at all and Hizen looks plain bad to me, though I do not have it.

 

As to the last statement, I don't think Wargaming knows what they are doing to their game.

I think WG roughly understands what it is doing to the game but think this is the easiest way to farm roubles, and f..k the long term viability of the game.

[DFens_666]

There is a wide variety of ships around, if everyone would be the same, it would be kinda boring, wouldnt it?

So i think its fine, when some ships are harder to play than others. But that also means, they should have a higher game impact IF played correctly.

 

On 12/25/2020 at 5:02 AM, Barney_Wobba said:

I suspect the playerbase is shrinking and only good players are being left behind.

 

The opposite is true. The problem is, BBs dont move up anymore, at all. If you advance as a Cruiser, ofc everyone will shoot you. DDs spot you, CVs spot you, and you are like 5-10km closer than the BB camping in spawn. You pretty much cant move up alone these days. Cruisers are handcuffed by the inability of the average BB player to play their class.

 

On 12/25/2020 at 5:02 AM, Barney_Wobba said:

New ships like the Pom and Hizen seem a bit OP.

 

Nah, definetely not. Pommern is only strong in small environments, like 3x3 Clanbrawl. Its nothing special in randoms. Hizen has really nothing going for it.

Ships like Thunderer is what ruin this game.

[Prophecy82]

On 12/25/2020 at 4:02 AM, Barney_Wobba said:

Mino has always been a technical ship but lately I can barely got a salvo off without having my priority target meter hitting 6 or more. I can barely get away with a round of shots before being focus fired.

Thats absolutely normal, since its one of the few ships that can be dev. struck pretty easy at T10... and who doesnt like a dev. strike? 

Just live with it and adapt. 

Actually I run  radar Mino all the time and dont have much trouble. Just be aware that you are a juicy target and act accordingly. 

[cherry2blost]

14 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

There is a wide variety of ships around, if everyone would be the same, it would be kinda boring, wouldnt it?

So i think its fine, when some ships are harder to play than others. But that also means, they should have a higher game impact IF played correctly.

 

 

The opposite is true. The problem is, BBs dont move up anymore, at all. If you advance as a Cruiser, ofc everyone will shoot you. DDs spot you, CVs spot you, and you are like 5-10km closer than the BB camping in spawn. You pretty much cant move up alone these days. Cruisers are handcuffed by the inability of the average BB player to play their class.

 

 

Nah, definetely not. Pommern is only strong in small environments, like 3x3 Clanbrawl. Its nothing special in randoms. Hizen has really nothing going for it.

Ships like Thunderer is what ruin this game.

Very much so, the Thunderer has been the worst addition to this game in quite some time. If several are on your team, you know full well that they will sit at back of map spamming HE all game and contribute little to their team mates. If they are on the opposing team then the first Battleship spotted will then spend the remaining 3 to 4 minutes of its' survival burning... before even being able to respond with return fire. Nope worst addition to the game since... well the CV rework was bad but Thunderer may actually be MORE toxic than even those toxic ships......

[DFens_666]

9 minutes ago, cherry2blost said:

well the CV rework was bad but Thunderer may actually be MORE toxic than even those toxic ships......

 

I probably tend to agree with this.

Every TX game seems to have 4 Thunderers in it, and they ruin the game regardless of which side they are on. As a BB, you can hardly push because 2 of them will fart their HE your way, while you basicly cant hurt them in return. If they are on your team, they are useless until they finaly think its time to yolo in and die in 1 minute.

CVs hardly ruin every game, and what your own CV does, often really doesnt matter. I dont expect anything from them to begin with. In smaller gamemodes (5x5 brawl or 7x7 clanbattles) CVs are more annoying tho.

Lets say, they can share first place

[GarrusBrutus]

18 minutes ago, cherry2blost said:

well the CV rework was bad but Thunderer may actually be MORE toxic than even those toxic ships......

Yup, and unlike the smolensk (which you see rarely nowadays) I predict the thunderer spam is here to stay. Why? Because it appeals to the average to below average potato. It's litteraly catered to the hordes of players who fail in every ship but the thunderer. Since the only thing they have to do is sit outside of the enemy range, load HE and left click. They don't care about their winrate, they just care about the +-20% more damage they can deal with the thunderer in comparison to any other ship in their port. 

Lately I've been going through players' profiles after the battles. Especially thunderer players. More often than not it's their most played T10 by a country mile. And other than more average damage their performance is not so stellar. But hey, that is what gives xp and credits right? 

[cherry2blost]

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[Perekotypole]

Am 25.12.2020 um 06:53, MacFergus sagte:

Don't play top tier , Mid tiers is where the game really is

mid tiers only fun for BBs, cause they don't get uptiered that often. Not fun for cruisers at all

[MacFergus]

11 hours ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Yup, and unlike the smolensk (which you see rarely nowadays) I predict the thunderer spam is here to stay. Why? Because it appeals to the average to below average potato. It's litteraly catered to the hordes of players who fail in every ship but the thunderer. Since the only thing they have to do is sit outside of the enemy range, load HE and left click. They don't care about their winrate, they just care about the +-20% more damage they can deal with the thunderer in comparison to any other ship in their port. 

Lately I've been going through players' profiles after the battles. Especially thunderer players. More often than not it's their most played T10 by a country mile. And other than more average damage their performance is not so stellar. But hey, that is what gives xp and credits right? 

Isn't this just describing the Kamikaze players with 100s of battles in one ship because that ship is op.

 

And yet people think the Kamikaze is fine because its a DD with aim assist and invisibility and jetpack torps that hit like a truck at tier 5 but Thunderer is op at Tier 10.

 

In a Nutshell they are both bad for the game but people don't want premium ships nerfed and their is the problem both are here to stay because of the player base not WG.

 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

On 12/25/2020 at 4:02 AM, Barney_Wobba said:

I suspect the playerbase is shrinking and only good players are being left behind.

 

From my personal experience from the last days/weeks/months/years I can assure You, that this assumption is utterly wrong. On contraire, the amount of potatoes in the game is on a very "healthy" rise..

 

On 12/25/2020 at 4:02 AM, Barney_Wobba said:

I am asking myself why do I buy doubloons and game time now.

 

Indeed, You should stop such behaviour immediately, as still founding WG with money to spend for Vodka, females of negotiable virtue and candies  is not the proper thing to do, if one wants to see changes in the game...

[Johnny_Moneto]

Vor 17 Minuten, MacFergus sagte:

Isn't this just describing the Kamikaze players with 100s of battles in one ship because that ship is op.

 

And yet people think the Kamikaze is fine because its a DD with aim assist and invisibility and jetpack torps that hit like a truck at tier 5 but Thunderer is op at Tier 10.

 

In a Nutshell they are both bad for the game but people don't want premium ships nerfed and their is the problem both are here to stay because of the player base not WG.

 

I assume your "ban Kamikaze" thread did not bear any fruits? That's why you have to continue here?

[invicta2012]

24 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

In a Nutshell they are both bad for the game but people don't want premium ships nerfed and their is the problem both are here to stay because of the player base not WG.

Thunderer isn't a premium ship, so it could well be nerfed at some future date. As Smolensk was. 

[DFens_666]

29 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

And yet people think the Kamikaze is fine because its a DD with aim assist

 

Is there a difference to any other DD having the torp indicator? Or even Cruiser/BB for that matter?

I dont even want to think, how much torps would need to be buffed in order for not having the indicator... Not to mention, torping at the indicator will only hit the worst enemies who are straightlining for minutes. I continously torp differently than indicated (or blindtorping) and i hit with them, so what does the indicator actually do?

[Estaca_de_Bares]

On 12/25/2020 at 4:28 AM, gopher31 said:

I don't know how the radar Minos do it but this has always been the case.

On 12/25/2020 at 4:42 AM, GloomFD said:

Your example of Mino. I dont think its a "technical" ship, pretty much the opposite. Unless of course you are playing a radar Mino, which I haven't done in randoms for ages. Just keep islands between you and enemy. If you get spotted, just turn,slow and smoke.  Move back and forth in smoke, dont just sit there.

15 hours ago, raz207 said:

I find the RL very useful, played radar a few times, i think smoke is better.

12 hours ago, Prophecy82 said:

Actually I run  radar Mino all the time and dont have much trouble. Just be aware that you are a juicy target and act accordingly. 

I have to agree with Prophecy82, Minotaur is better played with radar. I have mine specced as an utility, anti-DD (radar upgrade plus radiolocation) and AA ship, and if you use the recently added Sierra Bravo signal flags you can seamlessly chain consumables (radar-hydro-radar), while without them there's just a 10 second cooldown with no electronics active, providing that you use JoaT and November Foxtrot. My motto when asked why I play her like that is "it's safer than smoke if you sail like a drunk", even in open waters. It's riskier and you deal less damage, but it's damage that matters.

 

Salute.

[Itwastuesday]

13 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

 

I probably tend to agree with this.

Every TX game seems to have 4 Thunderers in it, and they ruin the game regardless of which side they are on. As a BB, you can hardly push because 2 of them will fart their HE your way, while you basicly cant hurt them in return. If they are on your team, they are useless until they finaly think its time to yolo in and die in 1 minute.

CVs hardly ruin every game, and what your own CV does, often really doesnt matter. I dont expect anything from them to begin with. In smaller gamemodes (5x5 brawl or 7x7 clanbattles) CVs are more annoying tho.

Lets say, they can share first place

Yep. Now that I have a Thunderer I'm wondering why do I even bother with other battleships. See an angled CA? Blap it. See an angled soviet CA/BB? Blap it with HE. A DD? They must like all their modules broken. Oh but they torp in return? Dodge because unlike other TX battleship the Thunderer doesn't have oil tanker maneuverability. Make a mistake and take half your HP in damage? Disengage and heal up, it can do that anywhere regardless of terrain unlike other TX battleship. Planes zoom in, it's got defaa for good feel placebo. 

 

Need to push in? Not ideal, but you've probably shot up the enemy pretty good at that point and it's still a big gun battleship with decent firing angles and belt. 

[GarrusBrutus]

1 hour ago, MacFergus said:

Isn't this just describing the Kamikaze players with 100s of battles in one ship because that ship is op.

And yet people think the Kamikaze is fine because its a DD with aim assist and invisibility and jetpack torps that hit like a truck at tier 5 but Thunderer is op at Tier 10.

In a Nutshell they are both bad for the game but people don't want premium ships nerfed and their is the problem both are here to stay because of the player base not WG.

Lol still on that crusade huh?

Last week Thunderer had +-70k games.

The three kami's combined barely did 10k.

So you tell me what "breaks" the game more.

[MacFergus]

1 hour ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Lol still on that crusade huh?

Last week Thunderer had +-70k games.

The three kami's combined barely did 10k.

So you tell me what "breaks" the game more.

 

Here is the problem you cant be a hypocrite either you want all op ships nerfed that break the game and not just the few you think are op or none at all.

 

I don't disagree the Thunderer is disgusting and should be nerfed but then what about other ships , I see no difference between people having 1k battles in the sisters or 1 k battles in the Thunderers both are using the ship because it is completely op and no other reason.

 

I'm not accusing you of being hypocritical  but the player base in general.

[MacFergus]

3 hours ago, invicta2012 said:

Thunderer isn't a premium ship, so it could well be nerfed at some future date. As Smolensk was. 

Lets hope so but i doubt it unless they nerf RN HE/AP mechanics.

 

Problem you have is the ships are harder to get than opening your wallet a casual player might only purchase 1-2 coal ships and maybe 1 steel ship , And many might have bought crates for coal so in a way its much harder for WG to drop the nerf hammer on them , Take the PR for example many people dropped a lot of dubs for that.

[MacFergus]

3 hours ago, Johnny_Moneto said:

I assume your "ban Kamikaze" thread did not bear any fruits? That's why you have to continue here?

Indeed , But its the principle that matters more to me.

 

I'm all in favour of WG nerfing all op ships and CVs but you cant make exceptions because a certain ship is your favourite seal clubber.