Unique commanders nerfed under Captain Skill rework?!

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

The Flamu Reddit article I shared recently about the Cpt skill rework has been changed.

It now says "the unique commanders are being nerfed to the ground".

I have not been able to find a source for that claim and what it means specifically.

What it has been saying on the dev blog, for quite some time, is

"Unique commanders won't become any stronger after the update of the skill system, because we didn't change their talents. As for the enhanced skills, they were only adjusted to the new skill system. We don't believe that they will become more effective and give a bigger edge to their owners than before."

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/104

 

So should players still get Kuznetsov or no?

[Yedwy]

No way I am not shelling out a dime for the caps until this rework BS has settled...

[Hugh_Ruka]

1 hour ago, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor said:

The Flamu Reddit article I shared recently about the Cpt skill rework has been changed.

It now says "the unique commanders are being nerfed to the ground".

I have not been able to find a source for that claim and what it means specifically.

What it has been saying on the dev blog, for quite some time, is

"Unique commanders won't become any stronger after the update of the skill system, because we didn't change their talents. As for the enhanced skills, they were only adjusted to the new skill system. We don't believe that they will become more effective and give a bigger edge to their owners than before."

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/104

 

So should players still get Kuznetsov or no?

Depends on the commander ... f.e. the Brits had Smoke Screen Expert enhancements and there is no equivalent skill in the rework ... so no clue how what that maps to ... Also  all of the commanders lost a skill or two as there again is no direct equivalent (or was nerfed) in the new system.

 

Basically the unique commanders will only be usable for their talents it seems.

[Procrastes]

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[Procrastes]

4 hours ago, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor said:

So should players still get Kuznetsov or no?

The short answer would be yes. He will be worth it simply for the special "Will to Victory" talent, even if all the other enhancements were to be removed.

"Wait and see", however, is probably the best advice until we know how the new skill system will work out in practice.

[lup3s]

What about Halsey's Confederate, Yamamoto's Kraken, Swerzky's torp hits and plane kills, etc. ? Why would they remove these ?

[fumtu]

1 minute ago, lup3s said:

What about Halsey's Confederate, Yamamoto's Kraken, Swerzky's torp hits and plane kills, etc. ? Why would they remove these ?

 

No, those stays the same, it is enhanced skill, like improved Expert Marksman etc..., that will be impacted by captain skill changes.

[lup3s]

5 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

No, those stays the same, it is enhanced skill, like improved Expert Marksman etc..., that will be impacted by captain skill changes.

 

Ah I see, I got confused 

Thank you!

 

No more SE Ovechkin on my Monty 

[Shagulon]

I’d like to know exactly why they’re worthless now? 

[NothingButTheRain]

Yeeees, well.... I think that when this patch hits I may end up taking a (veeeery long) break from this game =)

 

Gonna be so much fun, resetting hundreds of commanders! Such enjoyment for the numb!

[unterbotesee]

 Took a quick look at Cunningham at the PTS, seems useless on bothh BB and cruisers, regarding his enhanced skills. Germans are suffering too. Jack of All Trades wasn't my favourite skill, but what repalces it is utter trash, so a waste of enhanced skill. Vigilance was always questionable for me, as it costs too much points for some situational gain now and then.

  The French special commanders on the other hand will still be good for BB captains even after the rework.

 

 What bothers me is that quite often I couldn't like a single skill of the 2 pts ones, had to pick one just to get acces to the 3 pts... Balance

[COPlUM]

I did a summary of how the unique and enhanced captains change with the rework.

 

TLDR

Znamesky is basically a regular captain now, cripple, his enhanced skills either no longer exist or they are useless in the class where applied
Aubonyeau, Yamamoto, Kuznetsov, Cunningham, Jutland & Dunkirk are nerfed to varying degrees but none of them are cripple
Swirsky, Ovechkin, Rong, Lutjens, Honoré, Halsey and Doe are fine, I argue they gain value as you can put them in 3 classes

[COPlUM]

8 hours ago, lup3s said:

What about Halsey's Confederate, Yamamoto's Kraken, Swerzky's torp hits and plane kills, etc. ? Why would they remove these ?

These were not removed, some enhanced skills on some captains were nerfed or just straight-up removed. The unique captains keep their talents in randoms and ranked.

[piritskenyer]

RIP me, a cruiser main I guess.

[Butterdoll]

16 hours ago, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor said:

The Flamu Reddit article I shared recently about the Cpt skill rework has been changed.

It now says "the unique commanders are being nerfed to the ground".

I have not been able to find a source for that claim and what it means specifically.

What it has been saying on the dev blog, for quite some time, is

"Unique commanders won't become any stronger after the update of the skill system, because we didn't change their talents. As for the enhanced skills, they were only adjusted to the new skill system. We don't believe that they will become more effective and give a bigger edge to their owners than before."

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/104

 

So should players still get Kuznetsov or no?

About cruisers part

Great!

From 75 ships i i'll go to 2 maybe 3.

All that will be left is Bayern, Alabama and perhaps JB

 

[COPlUM]

45 minutes ago, piritskenyer said:

RIP me, a cruiser main I guess.

While it does look like cruisers are getting the short end of the stick with this rework, especially supercruisers, it's flamu, that article reads like cruisers will explode when you spawn.

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Worth noting this is not by Flamu but by a follower of his subreddit who goes by the nick "Cit_the_bed".

 

This video on the other hand is the zampano himself:

 

Basically, Wargaming seems to have actual trained monkeys typing up these new captain skills.

The more I look at this all, the more appealing the idea of maybe just resetting all captains but not dismissing any of them becomes. After all, their XP may have become devalued but selling it at 25% devalues it even further. And looking at this garbage, there are bound to be at least as many rounds of re-balancing as with the CV rework.

Especially since we haven't even gotten to the new CV skills, which include loads of straight-up massive buffs.

Demount all modules and straight up not touch this game for a few months.

With the vaccine on the horizon and all, it might be a welcome occasion for many players to get their heads back into their real lives and focus once again on what actually matters.

Spoiler

Or just play Cyberpunk.

 

[Aethervoxx]

Wonderful. This Cpt rework sure appears to be another reworked CV fiasco.

I sure hope that Cpt skill reset and demounting all equipment slot upgrades will both be completely free once this 'stupidity' actually happens.

[Captain_Newman]

My plan with wows:

 

- finish up grinding Hizen and Strasbourg by playing as little as possible required to complete these goals;

- when the rework hits, reset everything;

- take a break for a few months;

- check if the game is still playable;

- act accordingly.

[Miscommunication_dept]

21 minutes ago, Captain_Newman said:

My plan with wows:

 

- finish up grinding Hizen and Strasbourg by playing as little as possible required to complete these goals;

- when the rework hits, reset everything;

- take a break for a few months;

- check if the game is still playable;

- act accordingly.

Not a bad idea. I’ve got many free epic games to play!!

[batch1]

in not sure if anyone has said this but unique commanders will still be able to be used with 4 types of ships if premium for free...im thinking GK, pomm, Tirpz, for secondery buff......Hindy Mainz for main battery buff, and dirty CV buffs....not all bad but remember who you face will still have same restrictions.

 

[FlamingHooligan]

On 12/22/2020 at 6:43 PM, Yedwy said:

No way I am not shelling out a dime for the caps until this rework BS has settled...

I had Philippe Auboyneau on my radar for my next special captain but will hold off now... Might get me the Marceau instead!

[HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS]

10 hours ago, Aethervoxx said:

I sure hope that Cpt skill reset and demounting all equipment slot upgrades will both be completely free once this 'stupidity' actually happens.

It will, but it is up to anyone's guess if this will happen again for free when WG realizes their rework is sh*t (which is what everyone keeps telling them) and "adjusts" skills (which they have already mentioned), which could lead to a scenario where you would have to change skills and upgrades again and again to keep up with their mad tinkering.

[Aethervoxx]

1 minute ago, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said:

which could lead to a scenario where you would have to change skills and upgrades again and again to keep up with their mad tinkering.

Ofc, this mad tinkering will happen much the same as what happened in the CV rework farce, ofc.

It sure looks as tho WG just wants to drive all the old players away so they can rely on nothing but new players to finance their game.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Shame ....

 

And this was such a promising game until some executives forced their "vision" into it.

I have not spent anything on the game since CV rework .... glad my addiction is cured. Thank you WG.