[AS_AS] tijmen10 Players 57 posts 2,543 battles Report post #1 Posted December 21, 2020 Please, anybody in The Netherlands report Wargaming to the named authorities. Anyone who lives in the EU and has bought the containers, file a complaint to the mentioned EU consumer agency and to the European Commision who sent this email. Tzonka.iotzova at ec.europa.eu 30 5 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaturas Players 84 posts 7,662 battles Report post #2 Posted December 21, 2020 Already did report them on website as I live in NL atm. Btw still banned on twitch chat since 5 december because of saying makarovlivesmatter. Lumberjack doesn't read his pms for 2 weeks. Just shows you how this company cares about players. Just report them whoever can. 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LA_FR] Eikkuu Players 317 posts 6,313 battles Report post #3 Posted December 21, 2020 Well there are laying when they say you can have 1 of 107 ships on the list in those conteners, l never see someone having ships others then the restricted one... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EUR] lossi_2018 Players 3,122 posts Report post #4 Posted December 21, 2020 I reached out to my friends in NL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LEGIO] darkstar73 Players 648 posts 10,329 battles Report post #5 Posted December 21, 2020 27 minutes ago, MyAngelAkagi said: Beside there laying when they say you can hace 1 of 107 ships on the list in those conteners, l never see someone having ships others then the restricted one... I bought some big containers. And i did get the only ship i didn't have, the Neustrashimy. So I'm satisfied. So i guess there are some who are lucky. 1 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ANV] Starchy_Tuber Players 867 posts 11,120 battles Report post #6 Posted December 21, 2020 22 minutes ago, darkstar73 said: I bought some big containers. And i did get the only ship i didn't have, the Neustrashimy. So I'm satisfied. So i guess there are some who are lucky. how is that "luck"? "I got the only one i didnt have"....?????? 4 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WCBG] BrusilovX Beta Tester 2,838 posts 23,900 battles Report post #7 Posted December 21, 2020 21 minutes ago, darkstar73 said: I bought some big containers. And i did get the only ship i didn't have, the Neustrashimy. So I'm satisfied. So i guess there are some who are lucky. I also managed to get the Neustrashimy after buying 20 of the largest crates. Last year I got the Fujin and I think I was happier to get that (I already had the Kamikaze and Kamikaze R). I do sympathize with the players who have a lot less ships and got the Makarov - look on the bright side at least it wasn't the Krasny Krym. 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WCBG] BrusilovX Beta Tester 2,838 posts 23,900 battles Report post #8 Posted December 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Starchy_Tuber said: how is that "luck"? "I got the only one i didnt have"....?????? Could have just received gold? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Humorpalanta ∞ Players 2,025 posts 13,785 battles Report post #9 Posted December 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, BrusilovX said: I do sympathize with the players who have a lot less ships and got the Makarov - look on the bright side at least it wasn't the Krasny Krym. What did you just say?!?!?!?!?! 3 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R7S] Wulf_Ace Players 2,179 posts 12,302 battles Report post #10 Posted December 21, 2020 I like the title of the post 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF] Cyclops_ Players 2,108 posts 36,207 battles Report post #11 Posted December 21, 2020 I hate to say it, but the EU says it can do nothing, also Wargaming is not run from Cyprus as such, it's owners are in Russia etc, sorry :-( 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS [NECRO] Players 1,540 posts Report post #12 Posted December 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, BrusilovX said: at least it wasn't the Krasny Krym ...which was the ship that i got from a SC after almost 2 years of (other) crap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WCBG] BrusilovX Beta Tester 2,838 posts 23,900 battles Report post #13 Posted December 21, 2020 1 minute ago, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said: ...which was the ship that i got from a SC after almost 2 years of (other) crap. I had one from somewhere and for some reason I sold it. Guess what appeared in an Xmas Crate (or a SC I don't recall)? Yes, you guessed it! Needless to say I've not sold it and it gets played for 'snowflake' events. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS [NECRO] Players 1,540 posts Report post #14 Posted December 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, BrusilovX said: I had one from somewhere and for some reason I sold it. Guess what appeared in an Xmas Crate (or a SC I don't recall)? Yes, you guessed it! Needless to say I've not sold it and it gets played for 'snowflake' events. With AFT gone, she's Krappy Krym anyway. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[S_F] Arctic_Nation Players 118 posts 8,470 battles Report post #15 Posted December 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, Cyclops_ said: I hate to say it, but the EU says it can do nothing, also Wargaming is not run from Cyprus as such, it's owners are in Russia etc, sorry :-( Doesn't matter. WG are active in the EU, and thus have to follow EU consumer law. Lootboxes of the type WG have been selling have been banned here in Belgium for several years already, so it is not impossible that the EC, ECJ, or even the European Parliament might do the same for the entire EU in the near future if a certain company is found to blatantly rip off its customers. Regardless, if this debacle ever gets to court and WG are forced to admit that their lootboxes use a shortlist or that drop chances are so heavily slanted that the outcome is effectively the same, fines will follow, and lootbox rules will have to be stated in crystal-clear terms in the future. In reality, WG might get away with simply stating again that a shortlist exists without calling it as such, and can we have your money now please for another half-baked Soviet clone ship and some ugly camos before you can get to the good stuff. But do nothing, and you know it'll only get worse from here on out. 11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YEET] COPlUM Players 3,009 posts 12,083 battles Report post #16 Posted December 21, 2020 They sold some RNG crates with unfortunate descriptions and offered refunds, I highly doubt you'll get interpol to arrest them and sent off to The Hague for crimes against humanity. 3 7 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R_N_G] Bindolaf_Werebane Players 1,387 posts 12,045 battles Report post #17 Posted December 21, 2020 Again, it's not about arresting WG, fining WG or anything like that. If the EU classifies lootboxes as gambling, WG will not be able to sell them in the EU. At least not without regulation. Which means, bye bye income (the only thing that matters). Put the pressure on! 11 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS [NECRO] Players 1,540 posts Report post #18 Posted December 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, NikolayKuznetsov said: They sold some RNG crates with unfortunate descriptions and offered refunds, I highly doubt you'll get interpol to arrest them and sent off to The Hague for crimes against humanity. Except it was not unfortunately but deliberately and the extent/existence of the RNG is obviously debatable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YEET] COPlUM Players 3,009 posts 12,083 battles Report post #19 Posted December 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said: Except it was not unfortunately but deliberately and the extent/existence of the RNG is obviously debatable. If what they did was against some law - I don't know, not a lawyer - It most certainly stopped being against the law when they offered refunds upon simple request. The 2nd most popular cyberpunk reddit post is currently people who requested refunds, got refunds and are outraged that the game was removed from their library after getting a refund. Corporations aren't the only ones being unreasonable at times. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[--] Captain_Newman Players 2,147 posts 16,474 battles Report post #20 Posted December 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, NikolayKuznetsov said: The 2nd most popular cyberpunk reddit post is currently people who requested refunds, got refunds and are outraged that the game was removed from their library after getting a refund. Corporations aren't the only ones being unreasonable at times. Reddit. Reddit never changes. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS [NECRO] Players 1,540 posts Report post #21 Posted December 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, NikolayKuznetsov said: If what they did was against some law - I don't know, not a lawyer - It most certainly stopped being against the law when they offered refunds upon simple request. Ask a lawyer if returning the money to the defrauded does make the crime disappear. Answer: No. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] Deckeru_Maiku Beta Tester 6,636 posts 24,864 battles Report post #22 Posted December 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Humorpalanta said: What did you just say?!?!?!?!?! Krispy Kreme was the first ship ever I got from a Supercontainer. I was like WTF?!? Didn't play it, because I thought it's rubbish... finally tried it and went WTF!!??!! and try to play it once a day since... 872 battle in her.. all solo... one a day... just for the lulz. I ain't that good in her. I'm only an average potato... but sometimes, once in a while, that shown in the video could be a "Best of..." of my best Krispy Kreme Moments. Just imagining the frustration of T4 CV potatoes trying to torp you and seeing you going full torpedobeat... Or the panic in the eyes of a T4 (or some T5/6) BB player, who sees you sailing straight towards him, bouncing AP shells left and right (and luckily not changing to HE...) until you are in torpedo range (5 (!!!) km) and nuke him with them... priceless! The only thing I miss for her: a spotter plane... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YEET] COPlUM Players 3,009 posts 12,083 battles Report post #23 Posted December 21, 2020 1 minute ago, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said: Ask a lawyer if returning the money to the defrauded does make the crime disappear. Answer: No. The lawyer would have to stop laughing after you tell him you plan to sue after getting your money back upon simple request. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[--] Captain_Newman Players 2,147 posts 16,474 battles Report post #24 Posted December 21, 2020 1 minute ago, NikolayKuznetsov said: The lawyer would have to stop laughing after you tell him you plan to sue after getting your money back upon simple request. Correct. Besides I think we've had quite enough ridiculous lawsuits that get thrown out immediately this year, wouldn't you say? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CRU_] zengaze Players 534 posts Report post #25 Posted December 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, NikolayKuznetsov said: If what they did was against some law - I don't know, not a lawyer - It most certainly stopped being against the law when they offered refunds upon simple request. The 2nd most popular cyberpunk reddit post is currently people who requested refunds, got refunds and are outraged that the game was removed from their library after getting a refund. Corporations aren't the only ones being unreasonable at times. It most certainly did not, and you obviously are most certainly not a lawyer, so how about you stop with the certainty because it's is certainly stupid. The crime in many jurisdictions for one, would be false or misleading advertising (part of the criminal code in the UK). It does not matter a [edited]if not one person buys the product, or if the fraudsters refund" anyone. The crime is the act itself. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
