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Is too late for Hizen?

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Now that the Hizen is almost released a lot of the concerns I had on this ship became real. A lot of CC already played. And the majority of the opinions is that the ships is bad and disappointing the positive opinions is that the ship is meehhh to okeish.   You have worse HP, worse guns, worse reload, worse armour and one heal less than Izumo and worse sigma. In exchange for 1 turret more. Actually very bad sigma for tier IX ship that can't tank and is not specially fast or stealthy. Even the armour in Amagi is better cause turtleback and 1 heal more and just 2 guns less, And Amagi is faster. The Hizen guns perform more like Amagi. They are not Izumo guns. The AA is bad as most IJN BB. So what's the point  of releasing a straight worst Izumo?  They want another Hayate case? A ship nobody plays and very few people have? I understand Hizen can be worse than Izumo in some aspects. But that would be more understandable if it was using Izumo guns and actually was better than Izumo at something. The ship is not F2P,  you still need to pay doubloons to get it. This ship needs some buffs to make it at least decent... At the moment in my opinion is a Tier VIII ship.

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I think the reload is what really kills it.

12 vs 9 guns have certain advantages. Pommern and Alsace have both 12 guns aswell, which are smaller in caliber. And while having a bit worse reload compared to other BBs, its still kinda manageable (also their sigma is actually worse).

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To be entirely fair that main battery reload skill that's coming in  the skill rework would reduce her reload down to 30,1 seconds..

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3 minutes ago, Itwastuesday said:

Dunno what's the point. Don't we already have the chunk american BB if you want to have slow reloading 12 rifle broadside?

To be entirely fair she does reload two seconds faster, and even is 5,2 knots faster than any of those too..

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7 minutes ago, lafeel said:

To be entirely fair she does reload two seconds faster, and even is 5,2 knots faster than any of those too..

I guess she'll at least be better than bummern post-secondaries nerf? :)

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5 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

I think the reload is what really kills it.

12 vs 9 guns have certain advantages. Pommern and Alsace have both 12 guns aswell, which are smaller in caliber. And while having a bit worse reload compared to other BBs, its still kinda manageable (also their sigma is actually worse).

Hardly see any competition between Pommern/Alsace and Hizen... Both kick Hizen's Aft in more then one category including fun.

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3 minutes ago, Itwastuesday said:

I guess she'll at least be better than bummern post-secondaries nerf? :)

This remains to be seen.:Smile-_tongue:

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Except, the price is not 1k doubloons, or 5k for that matter.  The price is accepting WG's policies and furthering them.

 

By participating in the Hizen "event" (with doubloons) you accept being sold mediocre ships for your time, effort and money  hidden behind gambling and grinding.

 

Enjoy responsibly. 

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1 hour ago, Furius_Marius said:

Now that the Hizen is almost released a lot of the concerns I had on this ship became real. A lot of CC already played. And the majority of the opinions is that the ships is bad and disappointing the positive opinions is that the ship is meehhh to okeish.   You have worse HP, worse guns, worse reload, worse armour and one heal less than Izumo and worse sigma. In exchange for 1 turret more. Actually very bad sigma for tier IX ship that can't tank and is not specially fast or stealthy. Even the armour in Amagi is better cause turtleback and 1 heal more and just 2 guns less, And Amagi is faster. The Hizen guns perform more like Amagi. They are not Izumo guns. The AA is bad as most IJN BB. So what's the point  of releasing a straight worst Izumo?  They want another Hayate case? A ship nobody plays and very few people have? I understand Hizen can be worse than Izumo in some aspects. But that would be more understandable if it was using Izumo guns and actually was better than Izumo at something. The ship is not F2P,  you still need to pay doubloons to get it. This ship needs some buffs to make it at least decent... At the moment in my opinion is a Tier VIII ship.

It will be a dockyard ship, right?

I think will be as good as any other dockyard ship.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Furius_Marius said:

I don't have Yahagi, so 5k. Even if you have Yahagi you spend 5k. The 4k compensation you could use for something else. 

I already have the 5K dubs, won’t be spending additional money.

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15 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

Except, the price is not 1k doubloons, or 5k for that matter.  The price is accepting WG's policies and furthering them.

 

By participating in the Hizen "event" (with doubloons) you accept being sold mediocre ships for your time, effort and money  hidden behind gambling and grinding.

 

Enjoy responsibly. 

 

I thought premium ships were meant to be mediocre compared to their tech tree peers... Soviet ships excepted, of course, as always. :Smile_glasses:

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22 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

Except, the price is not 1k doubloons, or 5k for that matter.  The price is accepting WG's policies and furthering them.

 

By participating in the Hizen "event" (with doubloons) you accept being sold mediocre ships for your time, effort and money  hidden behind gambling and grinding.

 

Enjoy responsibly. 

Whether you join or not, when you play games daily, most of the directive missions are easy enough to be completed automatically. I usually don't even check them until I'm at last 1-2 directives. So, there is no such thing as participating in it and etc. since there is no option to disable it anyway, unless you don't play any games at all.

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Since i have Bejie, Missouri and Musashi it seems Hizen is kinda pointless in this condition she is in...

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1 hour ago, Furius_Marius said:

Now that the Hizen is almost released a lot of the concerns I had on this ship became real. A lot of CC already played. And the majority of the opinions is that the ships is bad and disappointing the positive opinions is that the ship is meehhh to okeish.   You have worse HP, worse guns, worse reload, worse armour and one heal less than Izumo and worse sigma. In exchange for 1 turret more. Actually very bad sigma for tier IX ship that can't tank and is not specially fast or stealthy. Even the armour in Amagi is better cause turtleback and 1 heal more and just 2 guns less, And Amagi is faster. The Hizen guns perform more like Amagi. They are not Izumo guns. The AA is bad as most IJN BB. So what's the point  of releasing a straight worst Izumo?  They want another Hayate case? A ship nobody plays and very few people have? I understand Hizen can be worse than Izumo in some aspects. But that would be more understandable if it was using Izumo guns and actually was better than Izumo at something. The ship is not F2P,  you still need to pay doubloons to get it. This ship needs some buffs to make it at least decent... At the moment in my opinion is a Tier VIII ship.

Compare it to Minnesota.

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17 minutes ago, VIadoCro said:

I do have Yahagi but won´t spend dubs on Hizen. The ship does not interest me.

 

Same here. Gonna get to the Yahagi stage for the dubs, and thats all.

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39 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

It will be a dockyard ship, right?

I think will be as good as any other dockyard ship.

 

 

Yeah. I am pretty sure tier for tier it will be the best dockyard ship yet.

Which doesnt say much after Puerto Rico, Odin and Anchorage, but still. Those guns will be scary.

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Puerto Rico, Odin and Anchorage all turned out to be well-balanced ships with many happy players. Unfortunately, as of now, nobody seems to like Hizen.

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I do think Hizen will be one of the ships that will actually benefit from the skill rework. Since I already have both the doubloons and Yahagi in my port, as long as the rest of the grind isn't PR levels of insanity, I'll get her.

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