In your opinion why should i get Massachusetts ?

[Butterdoll]

Major pro, it's a South Dakota.

How i know this?

I have Bama, i obsoletely love that ship, it's my T8 Bayern with 406s, it's a 1000 battles ship and i will play it much more often once i reached my  battle  nº 1000 with my Bayern. Bama will follow Bayern with another 1000 battles.

 

Now, Massachusetts.

Having Bama i never saw the need for Massa. but...

 

1 - it will be removed soon from the game and even sooner from the armoury 

 

2 - it dawned on me... and I'm in a Dilemma

 

a) it already has a tank build built in  ( much better than a tank build in every BB?)

 

b) Unlike Bayern/Bis/Tirpz/ Gneisenau that have very different characteristics and gameplay i can have the same gameplay with Bayern/Bama/Massa, the last three have similar handling/manoeuvrability and speed  and they are though. In theory i can play Massa like i play Bama or Bayern and having two builds in one.

 

The last piece of the puzzle it's the guns, i know the sigma of the three ships 1.8/1.9/1.7

 

How different are the main guns on Massa when compared with Bama and NC and compared with German dispersion.

How bad they are in accuracy?

Or

not that bad?

And if i put aiming mod systems I ( All my active BBs have it)

 

Please advice.

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

 

 

[HMS_Kilinowski]

19 minutes ago, Butterdoll said:

How different are the main guns on Massa when compared with Bama and NC and compared with German dispersion.

How bad they are in accuracy?

Or

not that bad?

And if i put aiming mod systems I ( All my active BBs have it)

 

The guns are a bit trollish. They hit as hard as the other USN-BBs, if they hit. The dispersion is much worse, tho. So you won't get the massive volleys from North Carolina. You will get a citadel hit at range but not three. The Massa is for brawling at medium range. Under 10km you will hardly notice the difference. For me the guns never felt bad, cause in a Massa you are much too busy to worry  about your dispersion. In the new USN-BBs, where you wait 40s for the reload, you curse when your shots are missing. But in Massa you want to get close enough so your dispersion won't matter.

 

Also USN-BBs got no Aiming Systems Mod. They get range instead and accuracy in the 6th slot, where other BBs can opt-in for range. Since Massa is T8, it has no 6th slot. But this is where the puzzle solves itself. You got 18.3 km range. There is no way and with the worse dispersion there is no use having more range. You get in closer and you buff your secondaries in the 3rd slot. The secondaries are so accurate, they get the same number of hits at max range that a Bismarck gets at ~8km.

 

Then you get the faster cooldown on heals. Together with the secondaries, that makes the Massa quite tanky, when angled.

And then you got 406mm main guns. All the tankiness is for nothing, if a 27mm bow can just wheather your salvos and torp rush you. So the 406mm make sure you can overmatch most of the cruisers. The ship just makes sense as it is.

 

It only gets better, when you get the Georgia and with it the speed and accuracy on the main guns, which evens out most of Massas weaknesses.

 

The only true weakness is Massas cheek and sides and ofc its range. But Massa gets a spotter plane, I played it with the fighter for a long time, until I understood how the fighters were nerfed into being useless. With the spotter you can even shoot targets well beyond 21km, and sometimes hit them.

 

I think the Massa is worth it. With the captain skill rework, I will likely train a unique captain on it and use it for Massa, Georgia and Ohio. It's the third BB-line, the best if you ask me.

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

I had it as a rental and wasn't much impressed tbh. Georgia is way more fun.

[dommo77]

I have a similar dilemma... Just bought Georgia for coal with coupon, and I have enough dubs to buy Massa, but I hesitate.They are so similar in many aspects, and for US BBs I got lots of premiums already including Bama. 

From a collector point of view there should be no question, as she is being removed from the game soon. But if I have Georgia and I don't play BBs that much anyway... There is an option to get black version of Massa next Black Friday as well, so it's not like she will completely disappear - unlike Georgia. 

Sorry to add to the mix OP :) 

There is still time to make a decision tho, and secondary specced BBs will get nerfed with upcoming changes in cap skills. 

[Yedwy]

5 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

Please advice.

You should not...

 

For most normal game play purposes Alabama is quite enough in T8, what you should actually get is Ohio

[invicta2012]

8 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

what you should actually get is Ohio

Not as accessible, though. 

 

[colonel_duce]

dont forget that with Massa you can be top tier in mostly T6 battles, not very often, but when that happens, all fun breaks loose.

similarities between Massa and Georgia are in the secondaries, otherwise they are played differently, but both ships are similarily funny to play.
I am wondering what will happen with the captain rework though, because secondaries are really great on these ships.
I want to get Ohio, to have complete line of these ships, but it will take me another half a year at least.

I did not like NC or Iowa, terrible ships from my point of view.

My advice: If you have or do not have Georgia, take them both.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Due to secondary skill changes, the Massa could soon be the best tier 8 secondary ship as it will hit at twice the rate of the Germans.

 

Massa is tankier than Georgia due to its lower citadel.

 

Massa is the best T8 battleship by stats.

 

Its guns feel as accurate as the Germans but the 27mm overmatch is very useful.

 

Massa has very good AA for a T8 battleship and a very good torpedo belt.

 

One reason you may not need to buy it is that it is also a black ship so you may be able to get it next Black Friday. However, with the extra coupons coming it might be best to buy now.

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Do not give WG any money until they fix the CV rework.

Instead, they are currently in the process of breaking the game even worse.

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/144846-wg-cpt-skill-rework-actively-discouraging-team-play/?tab=comments#comment-3737181

[_HomTanks_]

There are accuracy comparisons of Alabama and Massa with some other Tier 8 BBs below where you will notice Massa has worse accuracy compared to most BBs;

 

 

 

 

[DFens_666]

7 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

Please advice.

 

How aggressive do you play those other BBs? Massa is only better when you can close in and use your secondaries. Which can be tricky at times when you are lowtier. Being toptier, Massa is a god.

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

7 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

Major pro, it's a South Dakota.

How i know this?

I have Bama, i obsoletely love that ship, it's my T8 Bayern with 406s, it's a 1000 battles ship and i will play it much more often once i reached my  battle  nº 1000 with my Bayern. Bama will follow Bayern with another 1000 battles.

 

Now, Massachusetts.

Having Bama i never saw the need for Massa. but...

 

1 - it will be removed soon from the game and even sooner from the armoury 

 

2 - it dawned on me... and I'm in a Dilemma

 

a) it already has a tank build built in  ( much better than a tank build in every BB?)

 

b) Unlike Bayern/Bis/Tirpz/ Gneisenau that have very different characteristics and gameplay i can have the same gameplay with Bayern/Bama/Massa, the last three have similar handling/manoeuvrability and speed  and they are though. In theory i can play Massa like i play Bama or Bayern and having two builds in one.

 

The last piece of the puzzle it's the guns, i know the sigma of the three ships 1.8/1.9/1.7

 

How different are the main guns on Massa when compared with Bama and NC and compared with German dispersion.

How bad they are in accuracy?

Or

not that bad?

And if i put aiming mod systems I ( All my active BBs have it)

 

Please advice.

 

Thank you.

 

 

 

 

 

Its a really fun ship at T8!

 

 

It's not my favorite by far, but it is a really fun ship! One of my true favorites is T9 Georgia and in many ways, this is her younger chubbier sister. I have the same secondary specced captain that I move between them both and bot ships has a somewhat similar playstyle. Play a bit cautios at the start and then just go ham in the end. Don't know how many secondary kills on DDs I picked up in these two ships. And if Flamus skill rework videos is anything to go by, it seems the US secondary BBs, Ohio, Georgia and Mass seems be fine after skill rework while the Germans seems to be nerfed quite hard.

[DanSilverwing]

The removal announcement did trigger my FOMO and I was seriously tempted to get Massachusetts B. But you can only play one ship at a time (currently), so when you have multiple Premium ships how much value for money will you get from your new purchase? Only you can answer that.

[Linkaex]

I asked myself this same question. I like to brawl with BB's for the memes. But I don't play WoW's that much anymore. 
So not quite sure if I want to spend resources or money. Also with the upcoming captain rework things are to uncertain to invest the resources I still have on my account. 
 

[Butterdoll]

1 hour ago, DFens_666 said:

 

How aggressive do you play those other BBs? Massa is only better when you can close in and use your secondaries. Which can be tricky at times when you are lowtier. Being toptier, Massa is a god.

Bayern.

Normally i'm quite passive. I rarely rush in depth 

I look for a central(ish) position to be in, or go near a cap (near for a BB) and i do the usual, trying to get big hits on the reds, trying to win the flank, depending on the situation i may give a target for a little while to the reds shoot at.

If things are not going according to plan or it's advantageous i will kite  .

Brawling can be evolved, especially against isolate targets away from their front lines and support

With Bama, although with some minor differences, it's  basically the same thing.

TLDR:

Mostly i don't go to them, i let them came to me, i try to chip their HP as much as i can and try to take the least amount of damage before i counter attack

 

 

 

 

Now, i'm looking to Massa mainly not because of the secondaries but because of the tank potential, i think with that faster heal it's better than any JoAT and  High Alert ( a must have for me) combined i can slap on it, especially now with the new captains skill i don't know if i can have all of this, my personal tank build

 

 

 

My only reserve it's the main guns.

while in Bayern and Bismarck i have aiming system mod. I in my Bama i don't have and it's ok...for Bama.

 

Secondaries wise, i have better results with a tank build Bismarck (7.8 range) than i ever did with relying in it's secondaries (11 km), (the fact i'm not the same player i was...say,  two years ago i don't know how much influence this statement).

 

 

@Execute0rder66

 

Thank you for the graphs i can relate with some, especially with  Bismarck /Alabama and Alabama/Massa. Not only i can look to the numbers but i can feel what they are talking about

But can you tell me if the Bismarck in the graph is with aiming system mod.I or without the aiming system mod.I?

 

 

1 hour ago, DanSilverwing said:

The removal announcement did trigger my FOMO and I was seriously tempted to get Massachusetts B. But you can only play one ship at a time (currently), so when you have multiple Premium ships how much value for money will you get from your new purchase? Only you can answer that.

Very much value.

1- i have very few premium ships. (11 between premiums, rewards and special ships)

2- Alabama ( i have in total around 270 ish battles) and i even didn't get started with it yet and already pay itself, USS Best Buy ever

3 hours ago, FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor said:

Do not give WG any money until they fix the CV rework.

Instead, they are currently in the process of breaking the game even worse.

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/144846-wg-cpt-skill-rework-actively-discouraging-team-play/?tab=comments#comment-3737181

I understand you and i agree with you in the most part.

But i already gave, a while ago.

but i guarantee you, it's not from me WG is making money.

I'm just a small spender looking to get some fun from it.

 

 

@OldschoolGaming_YouTube

thank you so much for the video

i'm sorry but i learned a lot with Bayern it made Gneisenau a port queen

I'm not looking for a fast, squishy, and 6 barrels BBs (Georgia)

I'm looking for the opposite, a sub 30 knots, manoeuvrable and though BB.

 

@Yedwy

 

I will never giving up of my ships, my hard earning ships that i have by effort or by money, not for an Gold Ohio or a Gold Legendary Module, i will never reset a line.

Never see a ship again, that's a risk i will never take.

[RAYvenMP]

she is the best T8 BB.

not because secondaries or AA or whatever but because of 40s CD heal

everything else is bonus

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Vor 17 Minuten, Butterdoll sagte:

I'm just a small spender looking to get some fun from it.

You are not gonna have much fun buying tier eight carrier fodder. Which is what all tier 8 ships and in fact most all ships in the whole game are.

And "small time spenders" like you are exactly where WG get their money from.

[1MajorKoenig]

She is easily the most fun T8 BB - maybe slightly broken but fun AF.

 

+ Good protection 

+ excellent punch on the 40cm guns

+ good overall mobility 

+ meme Secondaries which synergize nicely with the Georgia Captain and scare ppl (Secs aren’t really scary but a lot of people panic regardless)

+ good AA (as some brought it up)

 

So why get her? Well she’s really good. Although the secondary captain skill gets butchered soon - that needs to be kept in mind. Although her secondary  accuracy is better to begin with so the negative impact on her is smaller

[_HomTanks_]

@Butterdoll yes.

[1MajorKoenig]

9 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

The last piece of the puzzle it's the guns, i know the sigma of the three ships 1.8/1.9/1.7

 

How different are the main guns on Massa when compared with Bama and NC and compared with German dispersion.

How bad they are in accuracy?

Ah ok - honestly I didn’t notice. I play her super aggressive and wouldn’t have noticed the difference. 
 

Strangely I never liked Bama for whatever reasons but love Massa

[Jethro_Grey]

As others already stated, mainguns are trollish and have floatier arcs then even Alabama. It's all about the secondaries. 

 

It's a very strong ship when top tier, and if that's not enough reason to get her, here's one more.

 

WG is going to remove her.

Now, this may not sound like a reason at all, but you need to keep in mind, that a lot of players who have her, don't play her anymore.

 

People who are going to get her now, will play her until they are bored and move on to the next "it" ship.

 

Also, a lot of players will leave the game, which will  make her ultra rare in the MM for a while at least (until the next xmas).

 

And the player that come after, won't have a clue how to deal with her.

Which is what happened with the Kutuzov, which allowed me to have incredible games even in TX.

 

Alternatively, you could go for a Makarov,  which will be a very rare premium...once WGs Support has refunded all the crates... 

 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Never been a big fam of the Massa, sure in a Division  she can be fun but with the incoming secondary nerf, i would not waste my money on here,people say how good the Georgia is,I never liked her either,turret traverse is far too slow for the crazy speed she can make,plus the less is more approach never rubbed off on me,so many times fully aimed shots do not do than magic high numbers damage, it got so bad I sold her on my alt account.

 

Turret traverse needs one big buff on that thing,and with the secondary nerf incoming, I see little point in the ship, yet withe Thunderer,the less is more approach seem to work just fine,maybe I just cannot get on with American BB's, armour wise I always find them a bit squishy.

[COPlUM]

Doesn't Massa also have that thing where you can citadel it if you get its broadside at long range, but you can't citadel it if you get its broadside at close range?

[Skyllon]

Well... In my opinion you shouldn't. Instead, get yourself nice Christmas treat you can either put underneath Holiday tree, or into the socks hanging on the chimney.

 

Seriously.

 

WG will only take your money and invest into further development of Submarine/CV section...

[Butterdoll]

5 hours ago, dommo77 said:

I have a similar dilemma... Just bought Georgia for coal with coupon, and I have enough dubs to buy Massa, but I hesitate.They are so similar in many aspects, and for US BBs I got lots of premiums already including Bama. 

From a collector point of view there should be no question, as she is being removed from the game soon. But if I have Georgia and I don't play BBs that much anyway... There is an option to get black version of Massa next Black Friday as well, so it's not like she will completely disappear - unlike Georgia. 

Sorry to add to the mix OP :) 

There is still time to make a decision tho, and secondary specced BBs will get nerfed with upcoming changes in cap skills. 

If this helps you...

I was close to buy a Massa B last Black friday but i didn't .

The main reason for that was, Black ships, normally don't are eligible for doing missions. ( you may want to take this into account)

I don't have Georgia but i heard it's a squishy one.

South Dakotas are not citadel proof, they don't have turtle back armour but they are as though as they came, as good as German grade BBs IMO, they can take a beating and they can bounce a lot of shells, they may not be fast but they are very manoeuvrable.