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gift = something you get, for free. 

 

WG advertisment: gift and buy this

 

this is against the law. its manipulating peoples  they cann think like lawyer. 

 

WG have right for this: 

 

buy santa gifts for friends

 

-- this is only formulation, without manipulation. 

 

WG have no right ,write about gifts. 

 

it all only santa containers..no GIFT !!!

 

 

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35 minutes ago, citaDELer said:

gift = something you get, for free.

While this is obviously true, you can also see it that way: You are gifting WG money for free (= pixels).

I might add that "gift" is the German word for "poison". Explains the toxic reactions! :Smile_teethhappy:

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there is nothing to talk bout wg/lesta and people working for it/them, even on a voluntary basis ...

for me it means that one supports this crap and to them i have just one bannable message ...

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A gift always costs money, you either buy it for someone else, or to treat yourself. Let's say you decide to treat yourself, and buy yourself a Christmas gift of a PS5, then decide the store that sold it to you should be sued because it was a gift (maybe the store sold it under a "perfect christmas gift" title or something). Shall we sue all the stores that sell stuff that ends up being gifts on Christmas while we're at it as well? Or is it the fact that they named the lootboxes "Santa's gifts" that grinds your gears? I'm the first to pile on WG when thy do something scummy, and have done so plenty of times, but this thread is nonsensical. They run a business, and you want them to give you free stuff because the lootboxes are called Christmas gifts? I hate to break it to you, but Christmas is probably one of the most monetized events in the year, it's a huge business deal and WG is hardly alone in profiting on it. As for "WG have no right", I'd advise you to learn that there are different kinds of rights - moral, ethical, legal, etc. In this case, while the moral right might be up for debate, depending on individual sensibilities, they sell these lootboxes in countries where they have a legal right to do so (which is why you won't find them in Belgium). When you say things like "they have no right" you should do so with the understanding of why exactly do they have no right, and it should be something substantial, not just your gut feeling.

 

If you want to criticise WG, there's plenty of material there, but you need to do it with a leg to stand on. This thread is just pure, 100%, unadulterated nonsense.

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I do believe that a price for the "gift" is in plain view, either money or dubs.

 

It is also possible to buy a "gift" for yourself as well as others, but you do buy it.

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Vor 3 Stunden, citaDELer sagte:

gift = something you get, for free. 

at least 90% of all santa containeirs are indeed obtained for free, so where's the problem here?

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44 minutes ago, Captain_Newman said:

A gift always costs money, you either buy it for someone else, or to treat yourself.

Gosh, I had no idea about that when I was scratch-building gifts during my entire childhood. Should have just bought grandma a car instead of painting or tinkering some personal DIY gift.

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When will you kids learn there is no such thing as 'FREE'.

 

If someone gives you something it came at a cost, and cost equals one or more of the following; money/time/agenda/charity.

 

And very few businesses are just charitable, but that's just the cynic in me talking. :Smile_smile:

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1 hour ago, HARBINGER_OF_SKULLS said:

Gosh, I had no idea about that when I was scratch-building gifts during my entire childhood. Should have just bought grandma a car instead of painting or tinkering some personal DIY gift.

 

Let me guess, you weren’t running a business that sinks or swims by it’s profits when you were 6 (and btw someone probably had to buy the materials and/or tools you used to make it). My post should be interpreted in the context of the thread’s topic, unless you’re expecting WG to hand craft and mail us all free gifts.

 

They’re a company that charges money for stuff in their store, santa gifts included. They even give a small amount for free. This shouldn’t be confusing.

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2 hours ago, Captain_Newman said:

A gift always costs money, you either buy it for someone else, or to treat yourself.

Not true!!!! Santa Clause gives gifts for freeeeeee. 

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Guys, OP is right. He is also wrong. And so are you.

Lemme explain...gimme a few mins to look after my lunch...

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6 hours ago, Sunleader said:

Werent you the guy who wanted to Sue WG over Moskwa ?

 

you are still alive? Where have you been :0

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WG does not advertise "free" gifts which then turn out, to have to be bought.

 

There is no act of "gifting", but rather buying an item that looks like a "gift".

And while the wording isn't exactly customer friendly, you can bet your an*s, that no amount of sue-ing will do anything but cost you money, which you could be spending on Santas "Gift" crates. :Smile_trollface:

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2 hours ago, Zuihou_Kai said:

you are still alive? Where have you been :0

 

Playing Elite Dangerous mostly.

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7 hours ago, Jethro_Grey said:

WG does not advertise "free" gifts which then turn out, to have to be bought.

 

There is no act of "gifting", but rather buying an item that looks like a "gift".

And while the wording isn't exactly customer friendly, you can bet your an*s, that no amount of sue-ing will do anything but cost you money, which you could be spending on Santas "Gift" crates. :Smile_trollface:

IF he can prove that Santa Clause is real then gifts should be free, right?

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Microtransactions are generally defined as any additional payment made in a video game after the customer makes an original purchase. (2) Over time, microtransactions have increased in prominence and are featured today in many free-to-play mobile games. (3) However, some video game developers, to the outrage of consumers, have decided to include microtransactions in PC and console games, which already require an upfront $60 retail payment. (4) Consumer advocacy groups have increasingly criticized Microtransactions as unfair to consumers. (5) Others have defended the practice of including microtransactions in console video games as a necessity for large game developers to profit from their large, increasingly higher-budget games in a multi-billion-dollar industry. (6)

The most recent type of microtransaction used by game developers have been what are called random chance purchases (or "loot boxes"). (7) Loot boxes are digital crates, packs, or boxes which can be purchased with real-world currency and give players a random chance to receive valuable items in-game. (8) Some consumer advocates have argued the use of loot boxes as a microtransaction is even more unethical because of its visual similarity to casino slot machines. (9) In fact, class action lawsuits have already been brought by gamers against video game developers arguing that loot boxes are unregulated, illegal gambling. (10) The recent question of whether loot boxes are illegal gambling has been decided through class action lawsuits on a jurisdiction-by-jurisdiction basis, and has bitterly divided federal courts in illinois, Maryland, and Washington state. (11)

 

soon as EU pass the law on ban lootboxes  EA WG  the rest will lose 50% of there income

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6 hours ago, TheBicentennialman said:

Microtransactions are generally defined as any additional payment made in a video game after the customer makes an original purchase. (2) Over time, microtransactions have increased in prominence and are featured today in many free-to-play mobile games. (3) However, some video game developers, to the outrage of consumers, have decided to include microtransactions in PC and console games, which already require an upfront $60 retail payment. (4) Consumer advocacy groups have increasingly criticized Microtransactions as unfair to consumers. (5) Others have defended the practice of including microtransactions in console video games as a necessity for large game developers to profit from their large, increasingly higher-budget games in a multi-billion-dollar industry. (6)

The most recent type of microtransaction used by game developers have been what are called random chance purchases (or "loot boxes"). (7) Loot boxes are digital crates, packs, or boxes which can be purchased with real-world currency and give players a random chance to receive valuable items in-game. (8) Some consumer advocates have argued the use of loot boxes as a microtransaction is even more unethical because of its visual similarity to casino slot machines. (9) In fact, class action lawsuits have already been brought by gamers against video game developers arguing that loot boxes are unregulated, illegal gambling. (10) The recent question of whether loot boxes are illegal gambling has been decided through class action lawsuits on a jurisdiction-by-jurisdiction basis, and has bitterly divided federal courts in illinois, Maryland, and Washington state. (11)

 

soon as EU pass the law on ban lootboxes  EA WG  the rest will lose 50% of there income

 

A bit of an off topic question but reading that, the bolded bit seems a bit hypocritical, doesn't it? Unless they are also trying to ban slot machines? Something that I would be up for btw.

 

On second thought, that's a US piece. Move along, nothing to see here.

 

Where do you get the 50% income from?

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On 12/12/2020 at 8:16 AM, citaDELer said:

gift = something you get, for free

Wrong.

Gift = I bought something for you (for various reasons).

 

In containers issue, gift is a rng box that contains items with value bigger than the price you paid....

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4 hours ago, GeroGompos said:

Wrong.

Gift = I bought something for you (for various reasons).

 

In containers issue, gift is a rng box that contains items with value bigger than the price you paid....

what if i make you something and give it to you ? 

 

is it not a gift then ? (cause then its free)

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20 hours ago, albin322 said:

what if i make you something and give it to you ? 

 

is it not a gift then ? (cause then its free)

The term "gift" is multidimensional if i can describe better the term "gift". Lets focus on wee-gee gifts, the gift from them is the extra $$$ from the amount you payed.

Rigged gifts, this is the issue or we claim to be the issue unless is proven. I will not say more because we go off topic...

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