CCs and their unprofessional bias towards CVs and players

[Erik_Aukan]

Again we have a new  YouTube video about CV gameplay where the gameplay mechanics and how a CV is working and played is commented with no recent experience of CV play at all:

 

 

So... Where to begin? You see videos of CCs bitching about CV gameplay all the time. The thing is that there is so much that is being said that just isn't so. Claiming that defensive AA and AA in general isn't working and planes are unlimited just makes the commentaries look unprofessional and not serious. If the point of the video is to have a contribution to the CV debate, atleast facts needs to be correct, otherwise you end up in a trench warfare with with the eloquence of Donald Trump on the other side just bashing you into defeat.
To the very least, please, the facts needs to be true.
You can cherry pick any video (Like the once- in the lifetime one-hit DD kill) and clip in intensive attacks, but the 99% games isn't like that.
The fact that so many CCs never ever even plays a CV should state the obvious that they don't know the class enough.
Claims like
Unlimited planes: No, they respawn at a set rate with slight modification in capt. skills or modules.
AA is useless: No, it shoots down planes. If CV player looses too many planes, you will have squadrons of 1/2 planes at the end of the game, pretty useless. A CV might have a total capacity of 85-110 planes at most at tier 10, plus the drop-fighters, who isn't able to attack ships.
CV players are few and they are stupid or having mental defects (Quoting Flamu): Dehumanizing players who play a class you disagree with proves nothing, and makes you look unprofessional.
At the very least, be constructive and don't make things up.
Remove CVs: Some top clans have made it their mission to try to remove CVs from the game. Next thing we see, is a majority of russian cruisers, radar ships and ships designed to camp behind islands. Anyone wonder why K.O.T.S is so boring to watch? Two teams camping behind islands, eventually being taken out by a stray torp?
Unlimited planes should be N3rf3d!!!11 : Generally making CVs limited for good players only or denying the ability to play in certain situations? Suggested by someone who doesn't have a clue about playing a CV.
Pick any T8 CV, get dropped in a T10 match with 1-2 Hallands for DDs a nice spread of RU cruisers and maybe a Minotaur for flavor and then some BBs like Thunderer or Vermont and have them play together in groups of 2-4 ships each, afterwards tell me how effective you felt that match outside of being a glorified spotter plane.


 

[Kartoffelmos]

Jingles making a video about a subject that he has little knowledge of? What else is new?

 

Having said that, it's not like you need a ton of CV experience to play reasonably well in carriers...

[The_Chiv]

Just now, Kartoffelmos said:

Jingles making a video about content that he has little knowledge about? What else is new?

 

Having said that, it's not like you need a ton of CV experience to play reasonably well in carriers...

all you need is the ability to dodge flak

 

 

 

[El2aZeR]

19 minutes ago, Erik_Aukan said:

Again we have a new  YouTube video about CV gameplay where the gameplay mechanics and how a CV is working and played is commented with no recent experience of CV play at all

 

Top CV players universally agree that the class is broken.

 

19 minutes ago, Erik_Aukan said:

Unlimited planes: No, they respawn at a set rate with slight modification in capt. skills or modules.
AA is useless: No, it shoots down planes.

CV players are few and they are stupid or having mental defects

 

Planes are practically unlimited because AA is too weak to cause significant enough losses to any meta CV to care unless the CV player in question is grossly incompetent.

AA is worthless due to the above.

It is a proven fact there are very few CV players (current percentage on the EU server is 4,5%) and that the majority of CV players are incapable of playing the class effectively. The latter is not unique to CVs.

 

19 minutes ago, Erik_Aukan said:

Pick any T8 CV, get dropped in a T10 match with 1-2 Hallands for DDs a nice spread of RU cruisers and maybe a Minotaur for flavor and then some BBs like Thunderer or Vermont and have them play together in groups of 2-4 ships each, afterwards tell me how effective you felt that match outside of being a glorified spotter plane.

 

So 2 nice targets that have no option to disengage and as such no capping power, cruisers that generally have pathetic AA, a cruiser that blows up the moment it is spotted, a BB whose DFAA is placebo and is extremely easy to take out with CV ordinance and a BB that cannot contribute to the match until it is already over due to taking forever to reach the battlefield. All of whom are grouping up and therefore have no map control?

Sounds like a pretty easy match to me. In fact I'm pretty sure it'd end up with you winning via blowout.

 

Perhaps you should take your own advice for a bit and stop talking about something you know nothing about.

[Erik_Aukan]

1 minute ago, Kartoffelmos said:

Jingles making a video about a subject that he has little knowledge of? What else is new?

 

Having said that, it's not like you need a ton of CV experience to play reasonably well in carriers...

Well, true, he sort of excels in this regard, and that's why we all love him.

But when he claims things that isn't so, and are clearly influensing opinions made on wrong asumptions, it needs to be adressed. Flamu, in the comments below the video de-humanizes players who plays a CV. That's just wrong.

 

I agree that you don't need a ton of experience to be able to play a CV, and that's fine, because you had a certain ceiling before the rework. It needs to be possible to play okish, and are harder to master. Top damage is dependant on much more factors than you have to all other classes, first and foremost CVs needs to be able to deal damage over a longer time period to be high on dmg numbers.

:)

[El2aZeR]

1 minute ago, Erik_Aukan said:

Top damage is dependant on much more factors than you have to all other classes, first and foremost CVs needs to be able to deal damage over a longer time period to be high on dmg numbers.

 

[st_dasa]

33 minutes ago, Erik_Aukan said:

Again we have a new  YouTube video about CV gameplay where the gameplay mechanics and how a CV is working and played is commented with no recent experience of CV play at all:

So... Where to begin? You see videos of CCs bitching about CV gameplay all the time. The thing is that there is so much that is being said that just isn't so. Claiming that defensive AA and AA in general isn't working and planes are unlimited just makes the commentaries look unprofessional and not serious. If the point of the video is to have a contribution to the CV debate, atleast facts needs to be correct, otherwise you end up in a trench warfare with with the eloquence of Donald Trump on the other side just bashing you into defeat.

 

Oh, oh, the sweet tears of yet another CV main that is barely average in other ship classes truly make my day....

 

 

Pls, write some more, make my week.

 

 

[BanzaiPiluso]

You like CVs, most of us don't. You are not willing to change your mind so you do not welcome any criticism.

 

[Gvozdika]

Oh don't worry OP - It's not just CCs who despise CVs with a pathological hatred. Consider for a second why most players hate them. Consider why most CCs hate them. Hell, consider why WG has spent the past TWO YEARS trying to balance them with a miserable lack of success.

 

*cracks knuckles* 

 

Do you REALLY want to stick your head above the parapet? I mean, REALLY? 

[GarrusBrutus]

17 minutes ago, Erik_Aukan said:

The fact that so many CCs never ever even plays a CV should state the obvious that they don't like the class enough.

Ftfy

 

Anyway, the players showcased in this video played really bad and died due to their own mistakes. Going alone at the start of the game with cvs in it? Yeah great way to throw away your life. They probably would have died later in the match anyway. That being sad, the dd (and dare I say this counts for bbs and CAs as well) versus cv interaction is objectively unbalanced in the favor of cvs. You're basically rendered useless as a DD when up against a capable cv. This isn't the case vice versa. 

 

So although I understand OPs point about anti cv bias, as long as wargaming doesn't change things I fully support these kind of videos. Because it's ridiculous that even after all this time there haven't been any substantial changes in dd vs cv interaction. 

[JohnMac79]

5 minutes ago, Erik_Aukan said:

Well, true, he sort of excels in this regard, and that's why we all love him.

But when he claims things that isn't so, and are clearly influensing opinions made on wrong asumptions, it needs to be adressed. Flamu, in the comments below the video de-humanizes players who plays a CV. That's just wrong.

 

I agree that you don't need a ton of experience to be able to play a CV, and that's fine, because you had a certain ceiling before the rework. It needs to be possible to play okish, and are harder to master. Top damage is dependant on much more factors than you have to all other classes, first and foremost CVs needs to be able to deal damage over a longer time period to be high on dmg numbers.

:)

CV are the worst thing in this game. They deserve to be dumped on 24/7.

 

They have practically unlimited planes.

 

AA is useless.

 

There is nothing made up here, CV apologists are always good for a giggle though.

[Skyllon]

7 minutes ago, Erik_Aukan said:

Well, true, he sort of excels in this regard, and that's why we all love him.

(...)

I don't. I love my girlfriend.

 

Khem. Oh. Forgot to write on the topic.

 

Ergh.

 

Have nothing...

 

P.S. Wait for captain skills rework. Don't tell anyone, but it seems... CVs get buff!

[Kartoffelmos]

Just now, Erik_Aukan said:

Flamu, in the comments below the video de-humanizes players who plays a CV.

 

No, he makes a rather over-the-top statement regarding people who defend CVs, NOT the CV players themselves. The referenced mental defect might as well be a severe lack of insight regarding how poorly CVs are balanced with regards to other classes but it is obvious that he made that statement both to provoke and to show his frustration.

 

4 minutes ago, Erik_Aukan said:

But when he claims things that isn't so, and are clearly influensing opinions made on wrong asumptions

 

I generally don't watch WoWs/WoT videos from Jingles since they are filled with too much misinformation and the usual recycled "jokes", but see El2aZer's comment above regarding the relevant arguments.

 

[Humorpalanta]

15 minutes ago, Erik_Aukan said:

Well, true, he sort of excels in this regard, and that's why we all love him.

But when he claims things that isn't so, and are clearly influensing opinions made on wrong asumptions, it needs to be adressed. Flamu, in the comments below the video de-humanizes players who plays a CV. That's just wrong.

 

I agree that you don't need a ton of experience to be able to play a CV, and that's fine, because you had a certain ceiling before the rework. It needs to be possible to play okish, and are harder to master. Top damage is dependant on much more factors than you have to all other classes, first and foremost CVs needs to be able to deal damage over a longer time period to be high on dmg numbers.

:)

I can't wait to report you ingame just for playing CVs

[Eviscerador]

For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.

 

Enjoy all the love you give in game returned tenfold.

[Bellegar]

16 minutes ago, Skyllon said:

I don't. I love my girlfriend.

 

Khem. Oh. Forgot to write on the topic.

 

Ergh.

 

Have nothing...

 

P.S. Wait for captain skills rework. Don't tell anyone, but it seems... CVs get buff!

Your girlfriend is a 50 year old Englishman who served in the navy and thinks a lynx is a pet? 

 

 

Spoiler

sorry, I didn't have anything on topic either 

 

[Jethro_Grey]

43 minutes ago, Erik_Aukan said:

Again we have a new  YouTube video about CV gameplay where the gameplay mechanics and how a CV is working and played is commented with no recent experience of CV play at all:

 

 

So... Where to begin? You see videos of CCs bitching about CV gameplay all the time. The thing is that there is so much that is being said that just isn't so. Claiming that defensive AA and AA in general isn't working and planes are unlimited just makes the commentaries look unprofessional and not serious. If the point of the video is to have a contribution to the CV debate, atleast facts needs to be correct, otherwise you end up in a trench warfare with with the eloquence of Donald Trump on the other side just bashing you into defeat.
To the very least, please, the facts needs to be true.
You can cherry pick any video (Like the once- in the lifetime one-hit DD kill) and clip in intensive attacks, but the 99% games isn't like that.
The fact that so many CCs never ever even plays a CV should state the obvious that they don't know the class enough.
Claims like
Unlimited planes: No, they respawn at a set rate with slight modification in capt. skills or modules.
AA is useless: No, it shoots down planes. If CV player looses too many planes, you will have squadrons of 1/2 planes at the end of the game, pretty useless. A CV might have a total capacity of 85-110 planes at most at tier 10, plus the drop-fighters, who isn't able to attack ships.
CV players are few and they are stupid or having mental defects (Quoting Flamu): Dehumanizing players who play a class you disagree with proves nothing, and makes you look unprofessional.
At the very least, be constructive and don't make things up.
Remove CVs: Some top clans have made it their mission to try to remove CVs from the game. Next thing we see, is a majority of russian cruisers, radar ships and ships designed to camp behind islands. Anyone wonder why K.O.T.S is so boring to watch? Two teams camping behind islands, eventually being taken out by a stray torp?
Unlimited planes should be N3rf3d!!!11 : Generally making CVs limited for good players only or denying the ability to play in certain situations? Suggested by someone who doesn't have a clue about playing a CV.
Pick any T8 CV, get dropped in a T10 match with 1-2 Hallands for DDs a nice spread of RU cruisers and maybe a Minotaur for flavor and then some BBs like Thunderer or Vermont and have them play together in groups of 2-4 ships each, afterwards tell me how effective you felt that match outside of being a glorified spotter plane.


 

To sum it up: the unprofessional bias of CV players towards a class which can't be countered and their unprofessional behaviour in regards of defending a broken class.

 

Mimimi,  nobody likes me playing CVs...unfair...mimimi.

 

Keep crying.

[Itwastuesday]

What's unprofessional about bias against a class that just makes the game worse? What did you think about the debate on submarines then?

[lup3s]

All the downvotes are Jingles fanboys or what? 

 

OP has a point about CCs bitching and moaning about something they don't even play or have very little understanding of - and especially if it's accompanied with personal attacks.

At least play and keep up-to-date with the game and new ships /classes / features.

 

 

Jingles has always been known to make many mistakes (no idea why people "love" this; imo it's annoying af), though lately it feels like Jingles is becoming more and more disconnected from this game, as he talks even more nonsense as before.

[Prophecy82]

Im sick and tired about hearing from any CV apologists that the class is "fine" or "too weak".

Stupidity never dies. And stop reasoning with them, its a waste of time and breath. 

[Jethro_Grey]

2 minutes ago, lup3s said:

All the downvotes are Jingles fanboys or what? 

 

OP has a point about CCs bitching and moaning about something they don't even play or have very little understanding of - and especially if it's accompanied with personal attacks.

 

(On the other hand it feels like Jingles is disconnected from this game, as he talks even more nonsense as before.)

You don't have to be a chéf, to know when someone serves you sh*t.

 

And CVs are just that.

 

You don't have to own a Smolensk to know that it's a toxic ship. Just be a couple of times on the receiving end. Same goes for CVs. Especially for CVs.

[TheAlba2014]

2 minutes ago, lup3s said:

All the downvotes are Jingles fanboys or what? 

 

OP has a point about CCs bitching and moaning about something they don't even play or have very little understanding of - and especially if it's accompanied with personal attacks.

 

(On the other hand it feels like Jingles is disconnected from this game, as he talks even more nonsense as before.)

 

No, mine was to do with the OP presenting "facts" which were disconnected from reality...ironic right?

 

With regards CCs, no comment on their opinions or how they choose to present themselves (Jingles freely admits he's clueless and Flamu plays to the gallery). What I can say is that there is clear dissatisfaction with CV play in general, from both sides it would seem.

[The_Norwood]

So many clans pre-emptively left the game weeks and even months ago because they knew jingles was going to do this video? That's some serious influence he's got, nay magical influence.

 

Jingles is just summing up what the players have been saying for the best part of a year now. There is a reason wargaming immediately lock or delete any CV threads. There is a reason why the "general cv related discussion" thread has the most posts, by far, of any thread and over 90% of it is negative feedback. There is a reason the top clans have renamed themselves with names like "BANCV".

 

The game has been mercilessly broken to appease around 3-4% of the playerbase, leaving the remaining 96% in misery. Even top CV players are complaining that CVs are broken and that AA is as much use as tossing angry poodles at the planes.

 

I do wonder how many of these CV apologists are actually wargaming shills?

[Ashardalon_Dragnipur]

just realized you cant give a post both a bad and a funny emote

what are you supposed to do about posts that are so bad they are funny?

[_Thor_Odinson_]

Oh, a mediocre CV player is whining about people not liking a broken class.

 

Offers a bit of distraction from all the Makarov drama.

Well, OP is wrong but entertaining in his futile attempt.

5/10, would read and laugh again.

 

 

Also, Flamu is right.