Minnesota!

[invicta2012]

<insert Rodgers and Hammerstein earworm here>

 

Obviously the state is a great place, full of great people but how is the Tier IX US Battleship? With the new chunky BBs about to come out of early access and the Kansas proving to be a bit slow (I keep having games which are over before I've fired more than 3 salvos) is her bigger sister worth the free XP or is it all about skipping to the promised land of Vermont?

 

[ColonelPete]

I would not waste Free XP on them.

They have all the same speed.

 

Kansas gets a Sigma improvement with the patch.

She is ok to play.

[Yedwy]

She is garbage I am not playing that thing ever again, I have the av damage of a T5 on her and hence good by and good riddance, will keep her around untill I knock the flakes off her and then its the recycler...

[invicta2012]

4 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

She is garbage I am not playing that thing ever again,

Not your favourite? I have some fun games in Kansas, and I will probably keep it (esp. with the buff) for those occasions when I fancy an ultra slow heavy BB game. But the lack of enthusiasm for the Minnie means I probably won't bother.

[Taliesn]

5 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

She is garbage I am not playing that thing ever again, I have the av damage of a T5 on her and hence good by and good riddance, will keep her around untill I knock the flakes off her and then its the recycler...

 

I've played her long enough to get the required XP to buy Minnesota when she's released, and probably I won't be playing her anymore (just like her tier VIII sisters/cousins in any case), but she's fine. Not everyone's cup of tea, but she's fine.

 

 

 

[Yedwy]

Not my fav is an understatement, I d rather play Warspite in T8-10 bracket then these things...

[Gvozdika]

I think the best description I can come up with is an 'Armed Iceberg'. A bit of a shock to the system when the previous USN BBs are all rocking around at 30+ knots firing 9/12 gun broadsides far more often and far more accurately. 

 

You are very much committed to one side of the map and just that one side only for most of the game - you can't exactly run back to decap in a hurry....

[Yedwy]

4 minutes ago, Gvozdika said:

You are very much committed to one side of the map and just that one side only for most of the game - you can't exactly run back to decap in a hurry....

I wouldnt mind them being slow, usually one stays at his side anyways but the long range gunnery that is supposed to be the poibt of the line is just not really there with these ships, yes you occasionally have a good salvo but the rest of the time its just frustrating bounce after bounce...

[Jethro_Grey]

The new US BB line is WGs first step towards turning WoWS into an AFK Arena style game.

 

Select Kansas for instance, press Battle, go binge watch a TV show of your choice, or clean your place, cook something, go shopping, visit friends, whatever.

By the time you return, the game is done and you can repeat the process.

 

I recommend TV shows that have 4+ seasons.

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, Gvozdika said:

I think the best description I can come up with is an 'Armed Iceberg'.

That is a good description 

Colorado is already hard to tolerate on Tier VII, but this speed on Tier VIII+ is bad.

As if these ships would not have gotten a refit in the 30s to make them faster, had they ever been built.

[Gvozdika]

13 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

I wouldnt mind them being slow, usually one stays at his side anyways but the long range gunnery that is supposed to be the poibt of the line is just not really there with these ships, yes you occasionally have a good salvo but the rest of the time its just frustrating bounce after bounce...

No argument there. I feel like WG's balancing departments couldn't make up their mind as to what they wanted them to be.

 

1) Slow long-ranger snipers with long reload? Where's the accuracy to offset the reload or the range or the armour pen?

2) Short range brawlers with excellent agility (for a BB)? Where's the reload, speed or armour scheme to allow pushing into this range?

3) High DPM or massive alpha? You'd think massive alpha would have the penetration values to match but alas, no. Only Russian BSBBs it seems? Why the 40s reload if shorter range shooting matches are supposed to be the thing?

 

Instead we get a cobbled together mishmash.

 

Compare that to something like the North Carolina (tanky but needing players to use that belt) Iowa (Fast BB with decent belt plus SH shells) or the Montana (Iowa on steroids but the same rules apply). Much more defined roles, pros/cons and yet some of the oldest ships in the game. Also no accident that they haven't required nerfs, changes or buffs in years of gameplay and are generally viewed by most as 'balanced'. Not too strong. Not too weak. The current comedians in charge of balancing could possibly learn something...

 

[Captain_Newman]

49 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

(I keep having games which are over before I've fired more than 3 salvos)

 

If you're talking about coop, yea, they usually end quickly, which coupled with the Kansas's slow speed and 40s reload means the battle will usually be over before you get to fire that many times. In coop I'd honestly put her at full speed, fire at as many targets as I can until you ram her in an enemy BB.

 

If you're talking about randoms, remember, her slow speed means you can't disengage once you commit, you're too slow - meaning you need to play her very passively. The gameplay type that would probably get you reported in other BB lines is what this line seems to have been designed for. It works, kind of, but it's not all that interesting. Just remember, if you do go grind her in randoms, don't push ahead, be passive during the first half of the match and snipe. Especially if you roll t10 (which in Kansas does often mean rough times...)

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Many cousins, still not buying it though.

[Ocsimano18]

48 minutes ago, Taliesn said:

 

I've played her long enough to get the required XP to buy Minnesota when she's released, and probably I won't be playing her anymore (just like her tier VIII sisters/cousins in any case), but she's fine. Not everyone's cup of tea, but she's fine.

 

 

 

We're on the same page. Kansas could use a few buffs, like the sigma increase, but overall she is an ok ship. I don't my the slow speed and reload, because I'm over 30, and the reload is not so slow, as you usually fire two sets of 6 guns, and also you get some bonus from adrenaline rush.

[Taliesn]

1 hour ago, Ocsimano18 said:

We're on the same page. Kansas could use a few buffs, like the sigma increase, but overall she is an ok ship. I don't my the slow speed and reload, because I'm over 30, and the reload is not so slow, as you usually fire two sets of 6 guns, and also you get some bonus from adrenaline rush.

 

Brilliant.

[Chaos_Umbra]

3 hours ago, Gvozdika said:

I think the best description I can come up with is an 'Armed Iceberg'. A bit of a shock to the system when the previous USN BBs are all rocking around at 30+ knots firing 9/12 gun broadsides far more often and far more accurately. 

 

You are very much committed to one side of the map and just that one side only for most of the game - you can't exactly run back to decap in a hurry....

That is why I rushed the Caps in my Kansas and quite often I was the first one in them, cause you know how the player base is allergic to circles and moving in close meant I was actually able to hit what I wanted to shoot at so none of the range issues. You do need to spot the situations where you can do it though like no enemy DD on that flank and not getting into a cross fire.

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

My hitrate in Tirpitz is 10% higher than in Kansas. I always get such crappy dispersion with that ship.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

3 hours ago, Chaos_Umbra said:

That is why I rushed the Caps in my Kansas and quite often I was the first one in them, cause you know how the player base is allergic to circles and moving in close meant I was actually able to hit what I wanted to shoot at so none of the range issues. You do need to spot the situations where you can do it though like no enemy DD on that flank and not getting into a cross fire.

 

[Butterdoll]

8 hours ago, Yedwy said:

She is garbage I am not playing that thing ever again, I have the av damage of a T5 on her and hence good by and good riddance, will keep her around untill I knock the flakes off her and then its the recycler...

That i don't know.

Yesterday i encounter one. It seemed immune to my Bayern, it was always there, it was their anchor in that flank, it was in a favourable position when a dd  showed in our rear chipping away my Bayern in the end wasn't the kagero torps that got me nor Kansas Nor another BB that was there but a stupid HE shell from a cruiser.

I regret not going for it.

Before you bin it, Christmas it's around the corner and if you feel like to gave a gift to someone i can name at least one person 

 

 

[Chaos_Umbra]

3 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Well slowly Crawled in a straight line into the cap...

[Yedwy]

10 hours ago, Butterdoll said:

That i don't know.

 

I regret not going for it.

Before you bin it, Christmas it's around the corner and if you feel like to gave a gift to someone i can name at least one person 

I do know unfortunately, not that the ship is unplayable its just that there is not a single situation playing something else i which I would say gosh if I was in only in a Kansas or Minnesota right now...

 

They are silver ships, you cant gift a silver ship, or any other from your fleet AFAIK but moist def not the silver ones

[Prophecy82]

18 hours ago, Jethro_Grey said:

 

I recommend TV shows that have 4+ seasons.

 

With XP-Flags/Camos you can also watch 3-season shows! 

[Miscommunication_dept]

Vermont feels like a big improvement on Minnesota but i've only played one game.

[Yedwy]

29 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

Vermont feels like a big improvement on Minnesota but i've only played one game.

Yep still in coop with her but the 18" are really a quantum leap...

[Panocek]

19 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

That is a good description 

Colorado is already hard to tolerate on Tier VII, but this speed on Tier VIII+ is bad.

As if these ships would not have gotten a refit in the 30s to make them faster, had they ever been built.

What if those ships got their "what-if" refit, which bumped top speed from 20 to 23kts?