Can I just ask what the point is of getting rammed at low speed and instantly blowing up?

[anonym_vUfpz4M3loBv]

I was just gently caressed at the very edge of my stern by a slow going cruiser that was at around half health and it instantly blows me up at full health.

 

Do the rest of you playing this game seriously think this is very fun to spend 15 minutes to get into position only to get rammed and sent back to the port? How does slowly sliding up against the side of a ship turn me into a supernova? My question to Wargaming is why can't they get rid of this illogical system and instead give the ships colliding modular damage depending which part of the ships are rammed? For example take out the propellers if you are rammed at the stern and cause a flooding. Getting rammed by spiteful players about to lose isn't good sportsmanship if you ask me. They got defeated fair and square only to flip the tables and insta-kill you for no logical reason whatsoever. Larger ships ramming destroyers and submarines I can understand, but they have a greater chance of avoiding getting rammed. A battleship seeing a bad loser changing course to ram you there is not much you can do about it unless you manage to turn your guns in time.

[ColonelPete]

• Ramming at slow speed does less damage
• Ramming is a tactical tool
• Avoiding a ram is a skill that one can learn

[Deckeru_Maiku]

13 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

• Ramming at slow speed does less damage
• Ramming is a tactical tool
• Avoiding a ram is a skill that one can learn

Lets translate this:

 

Ramming is an a**hole move that can only happen to players that don't kemp bush far away from enemy, and as such fits perfectly into the meta WG seems to want the game to have.

[neorvo]

Sometimes the BB's survives those rammings, but I don't know how the game does the calculation...

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

Lets translate this:

 

Ramming is an a**hole move that can only happen to players that don't kemp bush far away from enemy, and as such fits perfectly into the meta WG seems to want the game to have.

Ramming is a valid tactic. Avoiding getting rammed is not difficult.

One should put less energy into complaining and more energy into how to handle the mechanic. Then it can work to your advantage.

[Smeggo]

Because ramming is always fun!  

[Deckeru_Maiku]

2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Ramming is a valid tactic. Avoiding getting rammed is not difficult.

One should put less energy into complaining and more energy into how to handle the mechanic. Then it can work to your advantage.

• Ramming is a valid tactic for ars*holes
• I described the perfect way to not get rammed
• I don't complain about ramming, I only give advice about how a) not to get rammed and b) to not to be an ar*ehole...

[ColonelPete]

Just now, Deckeru_Maiku said:

• Ramming is a valid tactic for ars*holes
• I described the perfect way to not get rammed
• I don't complain about ramming, I only give advice about how a) not to get rammed and b) to not to be an ar*ehole...

It is for everyone. When you ignore options to defeat the enemy, you are weakening your team, especially when you think camping is beneficial to you. And those guys get rammed too... 

Bow-on backpedalling ships are easy to ram.

[Captain_Newman]

Let's say your team is ahead on ships and caps. It's near the end of the game. You're a BB at 1/3 HP. A healthy enemy BB is in front of you and you can't tank him much longer. You're also being spammed by their remaining cruisers / DD's (this is a scenario that happens often btw).

Your options:

A) "not be an arsehole" and just get focused and die, costing your teams points while accomplishing nothing, or

B) full speed ahead, you were going down anyway, but you will take a healthy BB down with you and you will make sure your team maintains the ship advantage despite you going down.

 

It's a valid tactic, and the enemy BB that got rammed made a mistake of placing himself in a position where he could no longer avoid it, and should have known you were going to ram him the moment he put you in a position where that was your best option.

 

What I find lame is when people ram when they don't have to, and when it doesn't benefit their team's chances of winning, but hey, I ram and get ez damage. Lame. But again, there are ways to avoid it - if you're a BB it does require some thinking ahead though.

 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

It is for everyone. When you ignore options to defeat the enemy, you are weakening your team, especially when you think camping is beneficial to you. And those guys get rammed too... 

Bow-on backpedalling ships are easy to ram.

It's for ar*eholes.

I never won a battle by ramming

I never lost a battle due to not ramming

None of the rams in my stats were initiated by me

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

It's for ar*eholes.

I never won a battle by ramming

I never lost a battle due to not ramming

None of the rams in my stats were initiated by me

I doubt that.

[Captain_Newman]

7 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

It's for ar*eholes.

I never won a battle by ramming

I never lost a battle due to not ramming

None of the rams in my stats were initiated by me

 

Ok, but...

 

the whole idea of "ramming is for arseholes" or, rather, "you should never ram", is a rule made up entirely by yourself. There is nothing in the game rules preventing you from doing it. It's a tool at your disposal, and you deciding when to utilize it is entirely up to you, much like deciding when to use damage con, heal, or which ammo type to switch to. Besides, ram flags are in the game for a reason, you know... as is the "Die Hard" achievement (of which you have 12 of, btw). You decided in your head this isn't valid, and expecting others to abide by this is silly. When ramming is your best option to secure the win for your team, you should absolutely ram. In fact I'd argue that costing your team the win because of some made up, in-your-head-only code of honour is actually what's questionable. But hey, maybe that's just me.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

I doubt that.

and idgaf

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

and idgaf

Your teammates might.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Your teammates might.

had not one complain by any member of teams in which I played about me not ramming an enemy.

So "might" might be possible, but up to now it didn't seem to happen.

So please excuse, when idgaf about "might". Or not. Your choice.

 

Have to add though, that I think of it as a bit weird that You seem to have such a ramming fetish... anything You want to talk about?

[Wulf_Ace]

 

just watched this replay, look just at the end game and tell me ramming is not a good move. if he didnt ram he would lose, other problem is that georgia was not thinking

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

had not one complain by any member of teams in which I played about me not ramming an enemy.

So "might" might be possible, but up to now it didn't seem to happen.

So please excuse, when idgaf about "might". Or not. Your choice.

 

Have to add though, that I think of it as a bit weird that You seem to have such a ramming fetish... anything You want to talk about?

Most suffer in silence and just facepalm, when they see obvious misplay. 

 

I am just explaining the tactic as some people do not seem to understand it.

My teams usually profit from me staying alive and I prefer to sink more than one enemy, but I also know when ramming is beneficial.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Most suffer in silence and just facepalm, when they see obvious misplay. 

 

I am just explaining the tactic as some people do not seem to understand it.

My teams usually profit from me staying alive and I prefer to sink more than one enemy, but I also know when ramming is beneficial.

whatever...

 

I don't impede your right to ram whatever and whoever whenever You want.

And now You even know what I think when I see You do it.

Have a nice night...

[W0Z]

If people will stop destroying the guns on my Jean Bart then I will stop ramming people.

[thiextar]

4 hours ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

It's for ar*eholes.

Okay, then is shooting peoples exposed broadsides also for arseholes? I mean killing them doesnt sound like a nice thing to do...

 

Showing broadside to battleship guns are on the same level of misplay as putting yourself into a situation where you cant evade a ram, should one of these misplays be punished and not the other?

[Todger_Fairmile]

5 hours ago, neorvo said:

Sometimes the BB's survives those rammings, but I don't know how the game does the calculation...

If the either has enough points left over after ramming it survives. You can also use a Hotel Yankee signal which gives -20% to damage received when ramming the enemy, and +50% to damage dealt when ramming the enemy.

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Ramming

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

Ramming implemented in wows is retarded. Damage output at any angle from even a light weight ships almost always results in both ships being sunk.
 

[rimmer_the]

40 minutes ago, thiextar said:

Okay, then is shooting peoples exposed broadsides also for arseholes? I mean killing them doesnt sound like a nice thing to do...

 

Showing broadside to battleship guns are on the same level of misplay as putting yourself into a situation where you cant evade a ram, should one of these misplays be punished and not the other?

 

Same argument as "why didnt you evade the torps" ? And we all know WOWS is not a game where no one has eve been hit by a torp.   

[thiextar]

6 minutes ago, rimmer_the said:

 

Same argument as "why didnt you evade the torps" ? And we all know WOWS is not a game where no one has eve been hit by a torp.   

Exactly, we all make mistakes all the time. The game is literally about learning from them and getting better at not making them.

 

When you make a mistake though, you cant get mad at the enemy for exploiting that, thats just them playing well.

[thiextar]

18 minutes ago, _Bajkal said:

Ramming implemented in wows is retarded. Damage output at any angle from even a light weight ships almost always results in both ships being sunk.
 

For realism, yes. For gameplay purposes, no.

 

Ramming in its current form is implemented quite deliberately to be a tactical tool, a last ditch way of salvaging a bad situation if your enemy is kind enough to allow it.

 

Opening up tactical options and gameplay beats realism any day of the week.