Tier 6 CVs Woefully Underpowered and under rewarded

[MacFergus]

Not been back in the game for long and i started playing my CVs having lots of fun but i have an issue with the damage output of Tier 6 CVs , Don't get me wrong i have never played top tier CV so I don't know how they compare and this topic is not about CV,s in general.

 

So i have got the hang of CV,s for now and just started Randoms but it surprised me just how little damage they do and I'm hitting with virtually every rocket , bomb with 50% Torp hits as well even so i find it rare to break 50K and the AA is absurd for this tier as most of the time you up against tier 7 & 8 AA.

 

The other factor is CVs at this tier at least seem to get garbage xp compared to other ships .

 

Anyway rant over but i hope they do at least improve damage on tier 6 CVs its a joke at the moment.    

 

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Most people would say CVs are OP on all tiers. :)

[El2aZeR]

T6 CVs are the weakest tier for tier - mainly because of the constant up-tiering that T5-7 ships generally face. As such they are ironically the most difficult CVs to play effectively.

[MacFergus]

3 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

T6 CVs are the weakest tier for tier - mainly because of the constant up-tiering that T5-7 ships generally face. As such they are ironically the most difficult CVs to play effectively.

 

That would explain it , Although I just had a 100k game in my ranger still lost...

[Infiriel]

Have you tried playing in a wheelchair? 

2 minuty temu, El2aZeR napisał:

T6 CVs are the weakest tier for tier - mainly because of the constant up-tiering that T5-7 ships generally face. As such they are ironically the most difficult CVs to play effectively.

This is pretty much everything you need to know.

Learn which targets to avoid, and practice.
The CV's are completly broken by design, and there are other ways to help your team win than dealing damage - if you can't help your team, because the enemy has 5 Atlantas, then just spot their vulnerable ships (DD?) until they inevitably die.

[1MajorKoenig]

1 hour ago, MacFergus said:

So i have got the hang of CV,s for now and just started Randoms but it surprised me just how little damage they do and I'm hitting with virtually every rocket , bomb with 50% Torp hits as well even so i find it rare to break 50K and the AA is absurd for this tier as most of the time you up against tier 7 & 8 AA.

There is a big difference in playing against CVs and playing them yourself. You will see that in all the CV discussions. 
 

As for your question: I don’t think WG would improve T6 CVs at the moment. They are actually not in a bad spot balance wise. 
 

Which line do you play? 

[1MajorKoenig]

1 hour ago, nambr9 said:

Most people would say CVs are OP on all tiers. :)

Others say “HE is Op”, “BBs are OP”, “DDs are OP”, “torps are OP”, and so on and so on. You get the picture 

 

Although my all time favourite is “Slow death! Why nobody plays BBs anymore!” 

[MacFergus]

35 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

There is a big difference in playing against CVs and playing them yourself. You will see that in all the CV discussions. 
 

As for your question: I don’t think WG would improve T6 CVs at the moment. They are actually not in a bad spot balance wise. 
 

Which line do you play? 

USA and Japan , I must say they are a blast to play I'm really enjoying them at the moment although i tend not to go above tier 8 mainly because I'm lazy and cant be bothered grinding...

 

I'm finding the USA a bit easier for some reason.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

1 hour ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Others say “HE is Op”, “BBs are OP”, “DDs are OP”, “torps are OP”, and so on and so on. You get the picture 

 

Although my all time favourite is “Slow death! Why nobody plays BBs anymore!” 

 

I agree ... but if we look at the percentage ... 70% of ALL complaints are against CV.

 

So there must be something  :)

[The_Chiv]

only cv line I felt excelled at t6 was the germans mostly cause most cruisers would sail in straight lines allowing for juicy cits.

[MacFergus]

1 hour ago, Infiriel said:

Have you tried playing in a wheelchair? 

This is pretty much everything you need to know.

Learn which targets to avoid, and practice.
The CV's are completly broken by design, and there are other ways to help your team win than dealing damage - if you can't help your team, because the enemy has 5 Atlantas, then just spot their vulnerable ships (DD?) until they inevitably die.

 

I do target DDs and CAs and spot for the first couple of min or so just to let my team know which side or cap the enemy is going to.

 

I have read all the guides maybe  i had a few dodgy nervous games in random but i seem to be improving all the time and my damage is improving.

[arquata2019_]

2 ore fa, MacFergus ha scritto:

Not been back in the game for long and i started playing my CVs having lots of fun but i have an issue with the damage output of Tier 6 CVs , Don't get me wrong i have never played top tier CV so I don't know how they compare and this topic is not about CV,s in general.

 

So i have got the hang of CV,s for now and just started Randoms but it surprised me just how little damage they do and I'm hitting with virtually every rocket , bomb with 50% Torp hits as well even so i find it rare to break 50K and the AA is absurd for this tier as most of the time you up against tier 7 & 8 AA.

 

The other factor is CVs at this tier at least seem to get garbage xp compared to other ships .

 

Anyway rant over but i hope they do at least improve damage on tier 6 CVs its a joke at the moment.    

 

attack dds

attack higher tier dudes

deal very high damage

[Nov_A]

T6 CVs are generally in an awkward spot, as they massively dab on everything at T5 and even T6, but struggle when uptiered or are forced into the MM-exceptions for CVs rather often, fielding two T6 or a T6 with T8. AA does not really scale proportional on their MM spread and requires a massive change in playstyle, depending on their position in the bracket.

 

General advice: Dont play the Furios or Weser, both of them lack in DPM and the Weser cant deal with high tier AA. Her limited abilities in fighting DDs directly also make her quiet useless for anything above spotting or snatching some hits from HE crippled BBs in the lategame or enemy low tier ships. If you feel still unsure about CV gameplay, stay away from the Erich Löwenhardt, even tho she scales okay into T8, her armament and playstyle differs a lot from everything else ingame.

The most friendly CV is either the Ranger or Ark Royal, Ryujo requires a tick more of knowledge but also outperforms all the others.

 

When uptiered:
 

Spoiler

 

Heavily focus on DDs, denying caps and providing information throughout the game. Try to keep your anti-DD armament losses at a minimum by staying away from any T8 ship which could be giving AA cover to a possible DDs. Wait until they separate and then start harrassing them until they are forced away or forced into port. Ranger with her attack planes and Ark Royal with her HE-bombs can absolutely cripple any DD in your MM spread. When facing an Öland, dont throw planes away, just set your foot in the door by a strike and some spotting, making your presence known. Everything else can be harrassed, forced to smoke, retreat, spotted or killed at sight.

Use your torpedo planes to attack isolated targets, T6 BBs generally get outrun by any T8 cruiser or BB, so it is only a question of time until somebody falls behind. You can even attack isolated T8 BBs like North Carolina or Bismarck, but make sure you shorten your squad beforehand, as you will only get a single drop on them. Focus low HP ships and keep a good eye out on enemy DCP triggers, as this is where the damage and your effectiveness against high tier BBs lays. Ranger has an absurde fire chance on her dive bombers, Ark Royal's is rather low, but she drops so many bombs it does not even matter and Skua attack planes can be thrown away for their general ineffectiveness anyways. Cycle through your armament and dont rely on a single one, but always keep some attack planes as backup when a DD shows up. Keep the plane factory working and try to diminish your losses. Stay away from any kind of Helena or Baltimore and especially groups of enemy ships.

There is little to no CV counterplay in T6, most squads are around 9 planes and fighters only make 3-4 per squad. Use yours to spot, divert damage or prevent the enemy CV from spotting your ships. If the situation is obvious, drop a fighter as AA cover for a DD or weak target to cripple the enemy CVs reserves. The second the enemy CV or you hit the "critical mass" of leftover planes, they wont be able to drop any hightier ship anymore, because the squads just not make it through the AA DPS anymore to release a full drop.

 

 

When toptier:
 

Spoiler

Try to get your CV game on point by landing good hits, calculating moves and knowing your targets. T5 and T6 changes your role from pure support and spotter to the actual damage dealer in your team. Always focus on DDs if possible, but now you can easily dive enemy AA or smaller groups to pick them off. It is all about keeping up your DPS, focusing targets that your team is also aware of and abuse enemies that need to stay bow in. You are always in a race against the damage output of the enemy CV and your own team's HP. Dont hide on the map border, keep an eye on positions, firing angles and islands to hide and always stay close, but move the second you have the feeling of losing the ships in front. Never attack the enemy CV directly, unless you can kill him in a few waves of shortened squads. Dodge flak clouds and avoid getting caught in fighters too often, so your ability to ouput damage is always up. American BBs are the least attractive target for torps, while Russian BBs the least attractive for HE bombs. Get to know what is most effective on your available targets and act accordingly.

 

 

 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

2 hours ago, MacFergus said:

the AA is absurd for this tier as most of the time you up against tier 7 & 8 AA.

Guys, really? Nobody took the chance? Ok... so it's up to me

 

AA?

Just dodge!

 

[invicta2012]

56 minutes ago, MacFergus said:

USA and Japan , I must say they are a blast to play I'm really enjoying them at the moment although i tend not to go above tier 8 mainly because I'm lazy and cant be bothered grinding...

Make sure you keep enough resources in hand to improve your Tier VIII CV immediately you unlock it. Stock Tier VIII vs Tier X AA is no fun at all.

 

Bear in mind that you can always practice Tier VI CVs profitably in Operations. This is a good way of getting to know their quirks - and they are all very different - and getting confident about dealing with massed AA, squad shortening, planning entry/exit routes to make best use of terrain, attack lead times, and all that sort of thing. Torpedoing DDs from an Erich Lowenhardt is a satisfying trick, too. 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

3 hours ago, MacFergus said:

Not been back in the game for long and i started playing my CVs having lots of fun but i have an issue with the damage output of Tier 6 CVs , Don't get me wrong i have never played top tier CV so I don't know how they compare and this topic is not about CV,s in general.

 

So i have got the hang of CV,s for now and just started Randoms but it surprised me just how little damage they do and I'm hitting with virtually every rocket , bomb with 50% Torp hits as well even so i find it rare to break 50K and the AA is absurd for this tier as most of the time you up against tier 7 & 8 AA.

 

The other factor is CVs at this tier at least seem to get garbage xp compared to other ships .

 

Anyway rant over but i hope they do at least improve damage on tier 6 CVs its a joke at the moment.    

 

I feel your pain especially when up tiered

[OldPappy]

There is no dd at t5 or t6 in which you sit and say to yourself: My god! That cv is really underpowered! You are at their mercy and especially rangers rocket planes will take you out. You just hope at t6:

1; that there will be NO cv in the match.

2; that the cv will be somewhere else

3; that the enemy cv player have a hard time in general finding his own [edited]with both hands and a map!

4; that your own cv player has some map awereness.
5; the your aa has somehow benn magically reinforced since the last time you played. 
 

I dont think the cvs at any tier should be buffed if you dont want to kill dd play all together. 
I dont mind the cvs as such. They add a dimension to the game that is good if properly balanced. But I mind being helpless agsinst it because of ridicilous aa and a cv hangar storage that is like a magical bag with infinite space inside it...

 

cvs had no real right moaning about inadequate damage results. That is MY belief...😊

 

or name me a dd at t6 that you as a cv player have be cautious with?

[Procrastes]

Not to take anything away from another player's personal experience, but if tier VI CV:s can in any way be regarded as being less strong than their other-tier brethren - can this mean that tier VI CV:s are almost... balanced?

[invicta2012]

CV / DD interaction has just been changed quite a lot - they've standardised the reticle shapes, reduced DD detectability from the air, added a delay to the firing time of rocket planes, all of which should make things easier than it used to be. The trick was always to make it a hassle for the CV to hunt you down so that they'd go off and attack something else. That , though, won't stop a determined CV at the end  of the game when you're a DD drive with low health. And CVs always have rocket planes left.....

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 hours ago, MacFergus said:

USA and Japan , I must say they are a blast to play I'm really enjoying them at the moment although i tend not to go above tier 8 mainly because I'm lazy and cant be bothered grinding...

I think T6/7/8is where the most fun is anyway. T10 is just "blap harder". 

All CV's are "broken" so they'll rule supremely in any tier. Just a matter of "how much damage is possible".

That depends on the options to do damage, which mainly depends on... how dumb is the enemy. 

 

2 hours ago, MacFergus said:

I'm finding the USA a bit easier for some reason.

The USA CV is most versatile. You can hit everything with anything. 

For example IJN AP-bombs are very powerful but useless against DDs. 

 

1 hour ago, The_Chiv said:

only cv line I felt excelled at t6 was the germans mostly cause most cruisers would sail in straight lines allowing for juicy cits.

Well, as in any game, feasting on the st000pidity of the enemy is the best. 

 

36 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

Not to take anything away from another player's personal experience, but if tier VI CV:s can in any way be regarded as being less strong than their other-tier brethren - can this mean that tier VI CV:s are almost... balanced?

The only way any balance is there, is the average damage done by average players - as they say "speadsheet says you are having fun". 

[1MajorKoenig]

6 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

All CV's are "broken" so they'll rule supremely in any tier. Just a matter of "how much damage is possible".

That depends on the options to do damage, which mainly depends on... how dumb is the enemy. 

Not really but I don’t think we need another thread discussing this 

 

2 hours ago, MacFergus said:

USA and Japan , I must say they are a blast to play I'm really enjoying them at the moment although i tend not to go above tier 8 mainly because I'm lazy and cant be bothered grinding...

 

I'm finding the USA a bit easier for some reason.

I like IJN because of the strong Torpedos. US has these effective HE bombs. IJN AP Bombs feel quite inconsistent these days as they changed the drop pattern multiple times. Right now I think they are a bit wonky. Still hard hitting - if they hit - but unreliable. They seem to have taken inspiration from Graz Zeppelin meme-Bombers.
 

1 hour ago, nambr9 said:

 

I agree ... but if we look at the percentage ... 70% of ALL complaints are against CV.

 

So there must be something  :)

I am not going to derail this thread beyond the following remark: It’s more or less a handful of very vocal dudes filling hundreds of pages by repeating the same song since almost 2 years. Either because they don’t like that their RTS-Choo-Choo was taken away or because their precious DD can’t sail around freely and completely untouched and at free will anymore. A lot of noise and hot air basically.
 

47 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

Not to take anything away from another player's personal experience, but if tier VI CV:s can in any way be regarded as being less strong than their other-tier brethren - can this mean that tier VI CV:s are almost... balanced?

T6 CVs are not in a bad spot. However this tier range sees a pretty steep increase in AA so T6 CVs tend to be very strong against lower tiers and a bit lacking against higher tiers. It is much much better than before but still noticeable.

 

I think people seem so like to generalize and exaggerate. There are of course issue such as some inappropriate individual weapons or OP prems. However the T4 CVs are indeed a problem - and it is completely beyond me why WG didn’t solve the issue.

 

Let’s remember: RTS-Hosho was the most broken Sealclubbing Device of al time. They specifically removed half the controls of it but even without arms and with one leg only she clubbed badly. Now after rework the T4 CVs were laughable weak. They couldn’t do anything meaningful which most people found bring. On the other hand AA is equally bad at that tier so there was a balance of uselessness. 
 

For whatever reason WG buffed the T4 CVs although they are out of place at that tier.

 

WG should have started CVs at T5 or even T6. Maybe it would be best to move the T4 CVs to T5 as they are.

 

19 minutes ago, BLUB__BLUB said:

The only way any balance is there, is the average damage done by average players - as they say "speadsheet says you are having fun". 

Not only average damage in total but averages among multiple skill groups. And that is what balanced is. Things don’t need to be equal to be balanced 

[BLUB__BLUB]

2 minutes ago, 1MajorKoenig said:

Not only average damage in total but averages among multiple skill groups. And that is what balanced is. Things don’t need to be equal to be balanced 

Well... it is a bit like balancing a leech without having the option to just swat it, but OK. 

[Keijo_Kalmakoura]

Well, Ranger atleast seems to be bit lacking  especially when you combine it with how boring and boredom causing CV gameplay is in its current state just point and click adventure with meh rewards sort of mobile game!

Spotting should be rewarded more and of course there should be fighters that player can control instead those stupid AI that run in circles!

[Hopeless_Guppy]

30 minutes ago, Keijo_Kalmakoura said:

Well, Ranger atleast seems to be bit lacking  especially when you combine it with how boring and boredom causing CV gameplay is in its current state just point and click adventure with meh rewards sort of mobile game!

Spotting should be rewarded more and of course there should be fighters that player can control instead those stupid AI that run in circles!

You think that is lacking, wait til you get to the Lexington, how quickly that can be de planed is unreal, but then as usual I am probably doing something wrong

[Lootboxer]

Out of my nearly 40 t6 ships CVs are 3rd, 7th and 16th in average damage. And I learned to play CVs  at those tiers. On the top of that CV can spot better then DD and strike whenever it wants quickly (just not everything as price can be not worth it).

Not being worth it to strike a few T8 ships until they will accumulate some damage to AA mounts is a small price to be paid for it all. Late game you can farm them still so it is worth to preserve planes at early stages if up-tiered.

Bully DDs first, that should win you all the games that are winnable (some teams are so bad that nothing you can do in any ship, no matter how OP ship is and how purple you are- still best can do 80% solo in CVs).

As a 1 of 12 CV has the highest chance of carrying of all classes, even as T6 vs T8s. 

You can polish you skills at operations, it is fun and easy with a lot of targets, much better learning environment hen coop.