World of Warships pay 2 Win Player

[Cyclops_]

As per the title, total of 101 random games and 14 co ops, not sure if a re roll or not, fortunately he was on the opposite team, thankfully. (as it is copy & paste rather screen shot, it is a bit jumbled in places, but it is easy to work out )

 

 

 

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	Overall	Recent
Battles	101	0
Win rate Next level: Average (+0.5%)	48.51% Below Average	-	-
Personal Rating (PR)  Next level: Unicum (+46)	2 054 Great	-	-
Battles survived	34.65%	-	-
Average battle values
Damage	54 012	-	-
Destroyed warships	1.43	-	-
Aircraft Destroyed	0.98	-	-
Experience	921	-	-
Kills / deaths	2.18	-	-
Warships spotted	0.06	-	-
Damage upon spotting	6 206	-	-
Tier	4.6	-	-
Warships stats by type (PR)
Destroyer	-	-	-
Aircraft Carrier	-	-	-
Battleship Next level: Unicum (+217)	1 883 Great	1 883 Great	-
Cruiser	2 912 Super Unicum	2 912 Super Unicum	-
Warships stats by type (Win rate)
Destroyer	0% Bad	0% Bad	-
Aircraft Carrier	0% Bad	0% Bad	-
Battleship Next level: Below Average (+1.9%)	45.12% Bad	45.12% Bad	-
Cruiser Next level: Super Unicum (+1.8%)	63.16% Unicum	63.16% Unicum	-

Charts

 

 

 

Warships stats by type

Cruiser 19 63.16% 2 912 2.16 47 230 0.11 5
Charleston 131 843
Tenryū 2
Alaska Battleship 82 45.12% 1 883 1.26 55 583 1.18 6
Kawachi 141 857
Wyoming 14
Wyoming

 

Warships stats by tier

Tier	Battles	Win rate	PR	Avg. frags	Avg. damage	Avg. planes destroyed	Max. frags	Maximum damage	Max. planes destroyed
5	20%	3 711	2	27 192	0	4 Chester	54 980 Chikuma
III	29	58.62%	3 504	2.1	49 483	0	6 Kawachi	131 843 Tenryū
17	52.94%	3 151	1.94	69 584	1	5 Wyoming	141 857 Wyoming	14 Wyoming
V	33	48.48%	1 673	0.94	48 630	1.97	3 Kongō	129 329 Kongō	10 Kongō
7	57.14%	1 241	0.57	52 625	1.29	1 Fusō	93 758 Fusō	4 Fusō
IX	3	66.67%	1 207	1	57 213	0.67	3 Alaska	92 954 Alaska	2 Alaska
7	0%	521	0.29	79 499	0.86	1 ARP Yamato	129 458 ARP Yamato	3 ARP Yamato

Weapons statistics

	Warships destroyed	Hit Ratio	Maximum kills
Main Battery	131	39.57 %	6 South Carolina
Secondary battery	5	22.24 %	1 Wyoming
Torpedoes	2	56.67 %	2 Tenryū
Aircraft	0	-	0
By ramming	4	-	1 Charleston

 

Records

Damage	141 857 Wyoming
Destroyed warships	6 South Carolina
Experience	2 482 Kongō
Aircraft Destroyed	14 Wyoming
Warships spotted	1 ARP Yamato
Damage upon spotting	53 576 ARP Yamato

 

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	Warship	Tier	Nation	Battles	Win rate	PR	Average Damage	Avg. frags	Avg. planes destroyed
Kongō	5	Japan	29	55.17%	1 878	51 392	1.07	2.17
2	Wyoming	4	U.S.A.	11	63.64%	3 116	70 790	2.09	1.45
South Carolina	3	U.S.A.	9	66.67%	3 018	40 551	1.78	0
4	Kawachi	3	Japan	9	22.22%	3 603	53 363	1.89	0
Charleston	3	U.S.A.	7	71.43%	3 505	51 802	2.57	0
6	ARP Yamato	10	Japan	7	0%	521	79 499	0.29	0.86
Fusō	6	Japan	7	57.14%	1 241	52 625	0.57	1.29
8	Myōgi	4	Japan	6	33.33%	3 276	67 374	1.67	0.17
Chester	2	U.S.A.	4	0%	2 771	20 245	1.5
10	New York	5	U.S.A.	4	0%	517	28 608	0	0.5
Alaska	9	U.S.A.	3	66.67%	1 207	57 213	1
12	St. Louis	3	U.S.A.	2	100%	3 335	39 206	2.5	0
Tenryū	3	Japan	2	100%	6 441	74 373	2.5
14	Chikuma	2	Japan	1	100%	7 530	54 980	4	0

[rimmer_the]

At least this is proper digging through someone's stats, instead of "but your wr, so that makes anything you might say untrue". 

[arquata2019]

i have no words really

[Miragetank90]

I don't see the point of this, but to each his own I guess.

 

And I can still see who the player is by clicking or mousing over. 

[Cyclops_]

4 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

I don't see the point of this, but to each his own I guess.

 

And I can still see who the player is by clicking or mousing over. 

Thanks for that, think i have now sorted it

 

[Europizza]

Not sure what the point is but 0% WR in 10 battles in an overpriced ship isn't exactly pay2win ^^

[gopher31]

Looks like pay-to-lose judging by his ARP Yamato stats.

[GarrusBrutus]

What is the point of this thread? There are hundreds if not thousands of similar accounts......

[Lordcrafty]

6 hours ago, Cyclops_ said:

As per the title, total of 101 random games and 14 co ops, not sure if a re roll or not, fortunately he was on the opposite team, thankfully. (as it is copy & paste rather screen shot, it is a bit jumbled in places, but it is easy to work out )

 

 

 

as others have stated, I'm really not sure of the point of this thread, the ARP Yamato is hardly P2W when it's pretty much a carbon copy of the standard Yamato just with a free legendary mod. It's all stuff you could grind in-game basically. Maybe instead of worrying about other players, try to focus on your own game and self improvement?

[Zieten]

people keep using the term "pay2win" but i think they don't really understand what it means

[CaptainObvious007]

6 hours ago, gopher31 said:

Looks like pay-to-lose judging by his ARP Yamato stats.

They are Fun to play against 😘

[Peffers]

Why the shaming, they have not anything not allowed by WG?

[Gvozdika]

9 minutes ago, Zieten said:

people keep using the term "pay2win" but i think they don't really understand what it means

Perhaps 'pay to skip your way to T10 without having the slightest clue of how a keyboard works' is a bit of a mouthful. 

 

12 minutes ago, Peffers said:

Why the shaming, they have not anything not allowed by WG?

No shaming - just questioning the need to buy...

a) a ship already in the game obtainable for free. 

b) a ship that is at the highest tier - allowing in theory someone with 0 battles experience jumping straight into T10 

c) all of the above for £150 plus - which is virtually equivalent to 3x entire PC/Xbox/PS4 games. 

 

If you WANT to go ahead and paint yourself bright yellow and stand in the middle of the street you have that right and freedom. Just don't act surprised when everyone looks and points....

 

[Zieten]

Just now, Gvozdika said:

Perhaps 'pay to skip your way to T10 without having the slightest clue of how a keyboard works' is a bit of a mouthful.

Yeah, but that's not the same as pay2win. You can call it pay4comfort or whatever, but pay2win is something entirely different

[Lordcrafty]

2 minutes ago, Gvozdika said:

Perhaps 'pay to skip your way to T10 without having the slightest clue of how a keyboard works' is a bit of a mouthful. 

very different to "pay to win"
enterprise is p2w, musashi is p2w, kaga is somewhat p2w, loewehardt is p2w, Massachusetts is p2w and there are many more. A fancy version of a tech tree ship is not p2w because you aren't enhancing your chances of winning over the tech tree ship.

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, Lordcrafty said:

enterprise is p2w, musashi is p2w, kaga is somewhat p2w, loewehardt is p2w, Massachusetts is p2w and there are many more.

 

Eh, i disagree. I dont think we have p2w in WoWs. Just looked at wikipedia, and apparently some people think, WoT is p2w, but not for the premium ammo ?! lol... so i guess they would say, WoWs is p2w too.

 

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However, features affecting gameplay and win rate, such as purchasing a 100% crew training level, a premium account, premium vehicles, and converting experience points to free experience points, remain available for the paying customers only

 

Only people who have no idea would actually write this. Didnt know that i can raise my WR by exchanging XP to FreeXP

[Lordcrafty]

5 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Only people who have no idea would actually write this. Didnt know that i can raise my WR by exchanging XP to FreeXP

who are you quoting here?
 

5 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Eh, i disagree. I dont think we have p2w in WoWs. Just looked at wikipedia, and apparently some people think, WoT is p2w, but not for the premium ammo ?! lol... so i guess they would say, WoWs is p2w too.

are we going to agree to define pay to win as such: "in online gaming, the practice of buying in-game items that give a player a very big advantage over others."
if so then a ship like the enterprise definitely qualifies. Just because they removed it from the store expressly to avoid people calling it pay2win doesn't mean it isn't.

[Gvozdika]

9 minutes ago, Zieten said:

Yeah, but that's not the same as pay2win. You can call it pay4comfort or whatever, but pay2win is something entirely different

Without getting bogged down in semantics - anything that gives you an advantage over free-to-play players in exchange for money is technically pay to win. Want to get to high tier without any time/effort? Pay money and voila - instant progression to top-tier. That leapfrogging straight past the usual progression curve is an advantage that you have paid for - ergo....

 

This is opposed to grinding up to the very same Yamato for free - where that T10 performance can be obtained without spending a penny. If they're incompetent and cannot use it doesn't make a difference - the same way a muppet using an Enterprise doesn't suddenly make that CV suddenly balanced. 

 

Honestly, the fact that people are arguing over splitting hairs works in WG's favour - akin to EA 'surprise mechanics'..... 

 

[DFens_666]

Just now, Lordcrafty said:

who are you quoting here?

Wikipedia

 

Just now, Lordcrafty said:

are we going to agree to define pay to win as such: "in online gaming, the practice of buying in-game items that give a player a very big advantage over others."
if so then a ship like the enterprise definitely qualifies.

 

But does the advantage come from itself or do i need to do something for it?

I guess we can agree, that a certain part would get no benefit at all, regardless if you let them play Lexington or Enterprise. Another, much smaller part, would only gain slight advantages, as they are already so good that they can do the same with any other CV too. Leaves the middle part which is up for debate i guess. But there you can also see people with Enterprise having worse stats than with a Lexington. Downside being, that HE bombers are easier to use than AP bombers.

I also know people who prefer other BBs than Massa, because they prefer more accurate mainguns.

And in the end, what would be an acceptable deviation in WR? Can i get 2% more WR from Enty/Massa than with any other ship? Or is that already p2w?

[raz207]

Its more like PAY TO F<K YOUR TEAM 

[Lordcrafty]

8 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

But does the advantage come from itself or do i need to do something for it?

I guess we can agree, that a certain part would get no benefit at all, regardless if you let them play Lexington or Enterprise. Another, much smaller part, would only gain slight advantages, as they are already so good that they can do the same with any other CV too. Leaves the middle part which is up for debate i guess. But there you can also see people with Enterprise having worse stats than with a Lexington. Downside being, that HE bombers are easier to use than AP bombers.

I also know people who prefer other BBs than Massa, because they prefer more accurate mainguns.

And in the end, what would be an acceptable deviation in WR? Can i get 2% more WR from Enty/Massa than with any other ship? Or is that already p2w?

mhm, yeah it's all a pretty inconsequential benefit and, winning random battles isn't even that important. If they were however to hold a t8 season I feel like a lot of premiums would dominate. Maybe they're prepping for a t8 season with massa removal .

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, Lordcrafty said:

mhm, yeah it's all a pretty inconsequential benefit and, winning random battles isn't even that important. If they were however to hold a t8 season I feel like a lot of premiums would dominate. Maybe they're prepping for a t8 season with massa removal .

 

We did have T8 Clanbrawl seasons, Enty/Massa were quite popular.

And sometimes the setup itself can be more "p2w", than the actual ships. Like the 3v3 sprint when they released Pommern. The setup already favoured Pommern so much, its not a surprise that it would do very well.

[Lordcrafty]

Just now, DFens_666 said:

 

We did have T8 Clanbrawl seasons, Enty/Massa were quite popular.

And sometimes the setup itself can be more "p2w", than the actual ships. Like the 3v3 sprint when they released Pommern. The setup already favoured Pommern so much, its not a surprise that it would do very well.

don't talk to me about pommern, you'll only remind me that I wasted my coupon on it xD. Yeah it was set up for the season but it was only a ranked sprint. You could likely have completed it just by playing a lot of games.

[Peffers]

41 minutes ago, Gvozdika said:

No shaming - just questioning the need to buy...

a) a ship already in the game obtainable for free. 

b) a ship that is at the highest tier - allowing in theory someone with 0 battles experience jumping straight into T10 

c) all of the above for £150 plus - which is virtually equivalent to 3x entire PC/Xbox/PS4 games. 

 

Sorry, I have considered your points but it is shaming.  It makes pay 2 play top tier easier but there has always been an element of the more you pay the easier it is to get to TX.

 

The OP did not need need to shame this player to make these points, did you?  It is up to the player on what they spend their money on, the fact that it is the equivalent to 3 Xbox games, you should look at WG.

 

 

[IanH755]

48 minutes ago, Gvozdika said:

Perhaps 'pay to skip your way to T10 without having the slightest clue of how a keyboard works' is a bit of a mouthful.

 

But perhaps more correct than the simpler "Pay to Win" from earlier.

 

TBF in any team based game there is little chance of any "real" pay-to-win because even the best players can't undo the efforts of a whole team full of potatoes.