Fix Oaklahoma

[Todger_Fairmile]

I finished the collection in NA and won Oklahoma. It could be usable except for 2 things. 40 second reload, and 18% torpedo damage reduction. I get that WG has gone to 40 second reload for the new Tier 8-10 BB because they have so much firepower for their tiers, but 10 14" at tier 5 is the same as New York and Texas as well as roughly the same as Iron duke's 10 13.5's. I would suggest 35 seconds. As for 18% torpedo reduction it's ridiculous. New York has 28% and while low Oklahoma should have at least as much. Oklahoma needs to be fixed, 35 second reload and 28-30% torpedo reduction would make it usable, as it is the only interest would be for collectors

[DFens_666]

Those T5 premiums we get for free are often just bad

Siroco, Hill, Genova, Mikoyan... They arent intended to be good, just a "have a free ship once in a while, which you probably wont play"

 

The only redemption i can see for Oklahoma are the secondaries... which you probably wont use because its so slow. But you can bring them to 8km with pretty decent dispersion. The dispersion is better than Massas secondaries, alltho Massa gets ofc a greater benefit from manual sec. But this might be irrelevant when WG reworks the captain skills.

Still doesnt change the fact, that getting into secondary range would be kinda tricky, as you are the slowest ship on the battlefield, and as you said, the torp protection is on the lower end, which is not good for brawling either. So the concept is questionable at best.

[Todger_Fairmile]

19 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Those T5 premiums we get for free are often just bad

Siroco, Hill, Genova, Mikoyan... They arent intended to be good, just a "have a free ship once in a while, which you probably wont play"

 

The only redemption i can see for Oklahoma are the secondaries... which you probably wont use because its so slow. But you can bring them to 8km with pretty decent dispersion. The dispersion is better than Massas secondaries, alltho Massa gets ofc a greater benefit from manual sec. But this might be irrelevant when WG reworks the captain skills.

Still doesnt change the fact, that getting into secondary range would be kinda tricky, as you are the slowest ship on the battlefield, and as you said, the torp protection is on the lower end, which is not good for brawling either. So the concept is questionable at best.

I'm not trying to make Oklahoma all that great, just at least as good as the Tier 5 tree ship. Oklahoma was supposed to be an improvement on New York class, not worse. BTW I do play Hill, Genova, and Mikoyan.

[DFens_666]

20 minutes ago, Todger_Fairmile said:

I'm not trying to make Oklahoma all that great, just at least as good as the Tier 5 tree ship. Oklahoma was supposed to be an improvement on New York class, not worse.

Well id say, the premium T5 ships i mentioned are also worse than their techtree counterparts. In the end, WG does the balancing with the ships, so even if Oklahama is supposed to be better than NY, WG can just disregard that.

Im not saying that you are right or wrong, but its unlikely that WG intended it to be good to begin with.

 

20 minutes ago, Todger_Fairmile said:

BTW I do play Hill, Genova, and Mikoyan.

I saw that you play mostly coop. While i do find Mikoyan hilariously fun there too, ships are generally balanced for random battles. And those ships are kinda on the lower end of the scale, which might not matter for Coop ofc. I can see tho, why Oklahoma is a bad ship there, with being slow and bad reload.

Well, i wouldnt put my hopes up that WG is gonna buff it.

[The_Chiv]

So Texas which has the identical guns is 34 seconds and has 2km more range and 13% more torpedo protection. WG t5 premiums are just getting worse and worse with every step. 

[Todger_Fairmile]

28 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Well id say, the premium T5 ships i mentioned are also worse than their techtree counterparts. In the end, WG does the balancing with the ships, so even if Oklahama is supposed to be better than NY, WG can just disregard that.

Im not saying that you are right or wrong, but its unlikely that WG intended it to be good to begin with.

 

I saw that you play mostly coop. While i do find Mikoyan hilariously fun there too, ships are generally balanced for random battles. And those ships are kinda on the lower end of the scale, which might not matter for Coop ofc. I can see tho, why Oklahoma is a bad ship there, with being slow and bad reload.

Well, i wouldnt put my hopes up that WG is gonna buff it. 

Oklahoma is not good in PVE, it would really suck in random. I would hope that if WG wants to sell any of them in the future (Pearl Harbor anniversary comes every year) they'd give it a buff. Otherwise it will become like the Yahagi or Dreadnought, a ship that's out there but just not worth the price to buy. 

[Todger_Fairmile]

3 minutes ago, The_Chiv said:

So Texas which has the identical guns is 34 seconds and has 2km more range and 13% more torpedo protection. WG t5 premiums are just getting worse and worse with every step. 

Kind of my point. I only wanted to get Oklahoma up to New York level on the theory that Texas probably had at least one refit during the war.

[The_Chiv]

1 minute ago, Todger_Fairmile said:

Kind of my point. I only wanted to get Oklahoma up to New York level on the theory that Texas probably had at least one refit during the war.

It had more then one. If you ever get stateside you should check it out in Galveston Texas. 

[Bender76048k]

40s reload and 19knt... boooooring

[lafeel]

2 hours ago, The_Chiv said:

So Texas which has the identical guns is 34 seconds and has 2km more range and 13% more torpedo protection. WG t5 premiums are just getting worse and worse with every step. 

And considerably better AA lets not forget..

[Chaos_Umbra]

3 games 3 losses... though all were essentially due to [edited] for DDs compared to the enemy, there is no problems with the ship hull, just the guns being really unreliable and underwhelming...

[rimmer_the]

Perfectly designed to be a port queen and maybe do a Operation with the speed flag on....

[invicta2012]

13 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

Those T5 premiums we get for free are often just bad

Siroco, Hill, Genova, Mikoyan... They arent intended to be good, just a "have a free ship once in a while, which you probably wont play"

Some of those are quite fun. Hill is perfectly serviceable, Siroco a challege - in a good way, Genova is hilarious. Wouldn't play Mikoyan again.

 

Not sure if I need Oklahoma - I read Little White Mouse's review about the stealthy, late nerfs to her AP penetration which seem to have changed the ship from a Warspite/Kansas style Alpha strike ship to something a bit more vague. 

[Zieten]

6 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

Not sure if I need Oklahoma - I read Little White Mouse's review about the stealthy, late nerfs to her AP penetration which seem to have changed the ship from a Warspite/Kansas style Alpha strike ship to something a bit more vague. 

If you check the penetration graphs of the Oklahoma, it's hilarious how bad the AP performance is.

 

edit: image is from the LWM review of the ship ( https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/228831-premium-ship-review-oklahoma/ )

[josykay]

I love, how even at 5 km Oklahoma even barely manages to penetrate the belt of König. Ok, given, König has the thickest belt armor here, but it is outright hilarious that even in melee range Oklahoma can not penetrate it. :D

So you kind of HAVE to rely on secondaries against BBs... except, well, they can still hurt you back at 15 km, while you have to derp around at <8 km.

 

I don't see, why she has 40 seconds reload, AND that atrocious penetration, AND that slow speed. For a bit of secondary firepower, that is good in coop.

And I am pretty sure, even if she does try to challenge said König on secondary duel, it would still lose. :D

[invicta2012]

7 minutes ago, Zieten said:

If you check the penetration graphs of the Oklahoma, it's hilarious how bad the AP performance is.

That's the thing about it. Viribus Unitis is slow and outdated at Tier V but at least her guns are able to damage the ships she meets. Oklahoma's AP is just terrible - worse than Iron Duke, which is saying something. 

[Panocek]

12 hours ago, The_Chiv said:

So Texas which has the identical guns is 34 seconds and has 2km more range and 13% more torpedo protection. WG t5 premiums are just getting worse and worse with every step. 

Texas pulled from sales and nerhammer to NY when?

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

Guys, this is a premium given out for free. Let's not expect anything good here.

[DFens_666]

4 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

Guys, this is a premium given out for free. Let's not expect anything good here.

 

Yup... also we have to consider, that free premiums most likely keep the players interested in the grind. I think its a lot of work for a bad T5 premium BB. However, most people wont bother to do the research in the first place, they grind the ship, maybe play it a few times and let it be once they realize its not that great. By that time, WG is already giving us the next free Premium(s): Strasbourg, Tachibana and Yahagi for the new years event.

So at best, those medicore free premiums are there to fill the gap between bigger events.

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Dude no matter how they "fix" it, it's just Tier V carrier fodder.

The only time that ship would even begin to register would be in a non-CV mode, so probably not any earlier than the next T5 Ranked.

It makes no sense to work oneself up over such pointless squabbles.

[invicta2012]

49 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

By that time, WG is already giving us the next free Premium(s): Strasbourg, Tachibana and Yahagi for the new years event.

So at best, those medicore free premiums are there to fill the gap between bigger events.

Strasbourg will be perfectly decent at Tier VII, and I hope it's not a reward ship as I'm perfectly happy to buy it, being a French BB fan. I already have/had Tachibana and Yahagi - the Tier II is fun, Yahagi is poor. An A Hull Furutaka with more torpedoes would be a superior ship, but wouldn't have the novelty factor.