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I started recently T8 with Cleveland, Mogami and Hipper.

In my opinion, at T8 it's even harder than before playing vs higher tier ships because not only T9 - T10 ships have more armor, range and consumables:

they have repair most T8 cruisers have not. 

 

Making an examle on the german line: a Hipper vs a Roon or a Hindenburg. 

Less guns, less armor, no repair. How is the Hipper supposed to win?

 

Any hope the Devs may change anything about that?

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, S_h_i_v_a said:

I started recently T8 with Cleveland, Mogami and Hipper.

In my opinion, at T8 it's even harder than before playing vs higher tier ships because not only T9 - T10 ships have more armor, range and consumables:

they have repair most T8 cruisers have not. 

 

Making an examle on the german line: a Hipper vs a Roon or a Hindenburg. 

Less guns, less armor, no repair. How is the Hipper supposed to win?

 

Any hope the Devs may change anything about that?

 

 

 

It is very much working as intended, so you don't have too much fun playing T8 cruisers.

 

Also if you think "T9 - T10 ships have more armor", you're in grave mistake. More range? technically yes, in practice very few ships enjoy particular improvement unless you put spotter plane/range mod. Consumables? Well, yes, you have heal so you can give BBs extra salvo worth of damage on you.

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Tier 8 do get concealment mod, I found it helped a lot when uptiered compared to tier VII in tier IX matches. Mogami does great even if uptiered being a sneaky HE spammer, I suppose Cleveland should be pretty much same..don' t have it yet, grinding for it slowly :)
Hipper was quite tanky for tier VIII cruiser, can' t say I enjoyed it much due to poor DPS, but it didn't feel bad either even when being uptiered.

Worst ships to play uptiered for me were some BB's with 380 cm guns like Bismarck or Richelieu.

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17 minutes ago, S_h_i_v_a said:

Less guns, less armor, no repair. How is the Hipper supposed to win?

By chosing your engagements.

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15 hours ago, S_h_i_v_a said:

Making an examle on the german line: a Hipper vs a Roon or a Hindenburg. 

Less guns, less armor, no repair. How is the Hipper supposed to win?

By picking no "fair" fight against these ships. Obviously a T8 ship is worse than a T9 or T10 one, just like T6s or T7s are worse than T8s. And the 3 mm of more plating Hindenburg gets on most of its hull don't matter in a Hipper vs Hindenburg fight, as both have more than 50 mm of HE pen. Even a non-IFHE Cleveland doesn't differentiate in this regard with 30 mm of pen.

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On 11/12/2020 at 7:41 PM, ColonelPete said:

By chosing your engagements.

Sry, but all of the sudden this popped into my mind. :Smile_teethhappy:

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But back to OPs post.

Tier 8s are a bit shafted in the MM. And yes, I'd like to have a few heals for the tier 8s.

Range isn't such an issue. But heal would be nice. They have given some of the tier 8s some love.

Like Hipper have better reload now than in the past. So a captain with AR is quite nice in this cruiser.

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Alle 12/11/2020 alle 19:41, ColonelPete ha scritto:

By chosing your engagements.

Usually those with more range choose first...... i usually go for the closest.

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1 ora fa, SirAmra ha scritto:

But back to OPs post.

Tier 8s are a bit shafted in the MM. And yes, I'd like to have a few heals for the tier 8s.

Range isn't such an issue. But heal would be nice. They have given some of the tier 8s some love.

Like Hipper have better reload now than in the past. So a captain with AR is quite nice in this cruiser.

I like the Hipper, it's only more difficult than the Yorck to skill

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18 hours ago, S_h_i_v_a said:

Usually those with more range choose first...... i usually go for the closest.

Not true, it is he who has the best stealth that gets to choose first.

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3 ore fa, lafeel ha scritto:

Not true, it is he who has the best stealth that gets to choose first.

 

And those are DDs spotting for cruisers and BBs.

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1 minute ago, S_h_i_v_a said:

 

 

And those are DDs spotting for cruisers and BBs.

Or the stealthier cruisers in those games where no DD's are around, or when the DD's don't feel like doing their jobs.

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4 minuti fa, lafeel ha scritto:

Or the stealthier cruisers in those games where no DD's are around, or when the DD's don't feel like doing their jobs.

Cannot speak for my cruisers, but the "stealth" Monarch BB is always spotted. Playing it only to get the Lion.

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2 hours ago, S_h_i_v_a said:

Cannot speak for my cruisers, but the "stealth" Monarch BB is always spotted. Playing it only to get the Lion.

Her stealth is good for a BB, not for a cruiser/DD.

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35 minutes ago, lafeel said:

Her stealth is good for a BB, not for a cruiser/DD.

11.3 km would still be acceptable for some cruisers. Certainly for any "cruiser" with 18+ km of range (+spotter) and no radar, so no reason to get much closer.

 

Generally, for playing around with stealth, if you don't want DD to crap on it, pay attention to where the DDs are operating. And no DD will be gone all match, unless they are afk, worst case, you only at times see their torps, still tells you where they are. Keep something inbetween you and the DD and it's fine.

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2 minutes ago, HaachamaShipping said:

11.3 km would still be acceptable for some cruisers. Certainly for any "cruiser" with 18+ km of range (+spotter) and no radar, so no reason to get much closer.

 

Generally, for playing around with stealth, if you don't want DD to crap on it, pay attention to where the DDs are operating. And no DD will be gone all match, unless they are afk, worst case, you only at times see their torps, still tells you where they are. Keep something inbetween you and the DD and it's fine.

All good advice. Also helps if the DD's are all going to the same side which they seem to do more often these days..

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On 11/12/2020 at 8:22 PM, S_h_i_v_a said:

Hipper vs a Roon or a Hindenburg. 

Less guns, less armor, no repair. How is the Hipper supposed to win?

Lol, u gonna get that heal for Roon, sure. 
But believe me. U don't like that ship :D 
It has only 1 frontal gun and 2 on the back.

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10 ore fa, scr1337 ha scritto:

Lol, u gonna get that heal for Roon, sure. 
But believe me. U don't like that ship :D 
It has only 1 frontal gun and 2 on the back.

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Like Konigsberg and Nurnberg, and i never sold those. 

Still not on Roon, but it's a need to get the  Hindenburg.

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17 minutes ago, S_h_i_v_a said:

Like Konigsberg and Nurnberg, and i never sold those. 

Still not on Roon, but it's a need to get the  Hindenburg.

i am actually very good with Roon, i don't mind that  2 of the guns are on the stern of ship

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